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Every once in a while, a car comes along with so much hype that not only does it capture the attention of car enthusiasts everywhere, it creates a frenzy among publications all over the world vying to be the first to drive it, test it and compare it with others. The Nissan GT-R is one such car. As usual, R&T was at the front of the line to drive, test and compare the U.S.-spec version of this very special car against its biggest rivals, the Chevrolet Corvette Z06 and Porsche 911 Turbo.

Regular readers of this publication no doubt remember seeing our first drive of the GT-R four months ago, when we evaluated a Japanese-spec version in Germany. There, we got a good idea of what the car was all about, but not the entire picture. We knew that the GT-R's performance would place it among the most elite 2+2s in the world...still, nothing prepared us for what was in store when Feature Editor Mike Monticello, R&T Specials Editor Andrew Bornhop and I took the first U.S.-spec GT-R along with the Corvette Z06 and 911 Turbo to the California countryside. We took on some of the trickiest mountain roads in the state and the challenging Buttonwillow Raceway (where former Nissan factory driver Steve Millen joined us). Here we discovered that not only did the GT-R measure up to the hype, it sliced it to pieces with a samurai sword.








2008 Porsche 911 Turbo

Points: 380.7
Lap Times: 2:02.1

It's easy to see why people feel that there is no substitute for a Porsche after driving the 911 Turbo. This car seems to have it all, incredible performance, a high level of comfort, meticulous German engineering and the aura that comes from having a rich racing heritage. But it takes more than past laurels to win an R&T comparison test, and the 911 Turbo, which has won a share of them, found itself in the middle of a dogfight this time.

That Nissan engineers used the 911 Turbo as their benchmark is no secret. At every GT-R event we've attended, a Porsche 911 Turbo was always lurking in the background, presumably used by Nissan engineers as a target vehicle. They equaled the Porsche's 480-bhp 3.6-liter flat-6's output. This allows the 3710-lb. 911 Turbo to run to 60 mph in 3.4 seconds, good enough to match the Corvette and GT-R, but not enough to beat them. The race to the quarter-mile mark is virtually a dead heat, with both the 911 Turbo and Corvette getting the job done in 11.7 sec., and the GT-R coming home a hair-width behind.

"The 911 Turbo pulls like a proverbial freight train when on boost, but there is a slight bit of lag when compared with the GT-R's engine, best described as a gradual ramp-up power, as though the 911 has larger turbos than the GT-R," Bornhop said.

In the handling department, we came away somewhat disappointed with our silver Porsche. One would expect that with all-wheel drive, the 911 Turbo would gobble up sweepers and mid-speed corners, but it understeered significantly entering tight turns and oversteered through the faster stuff. Some of us felt that the Michelin Pilot Sport PS2 tires might be a factor, while others pointed to the softly sprung suspension. Whatever the reason, the Porsche simply wasn't as sharp as the GT-R on winding mountain roads or at the racetrack.

"There's no denying that the 911 Turbo has a surprising lack of grip, despite awd. It predominantly understeered, seriously chewing up the front tires, and was quite tail-happy when trying to put the power down exiting corners," Monticello remarked.

The 911 Turbo did shine on the open highway. Its interior was easily the most luxurious of the three, with comfortable and supportive front seats and lots of leather. The Porsche ranked high in the category of "the car I would most like to drive across the country." On the negative side, there was excessive road noise at highway speed, and the small buttons for the radio/navigation/climate control made operation difficult while driving.

The 911 Turbo's price tag of $135,470 immediately puts it at a disadvantage in this test...the reality is that's the price one pays to drive, and be seen driving, Zuffenhausen's best. But when it comes to just the numbers, Japan's new super coupe has caught and surpassed the German thunder car, meaning that now, when you say Porsche, there is a substitute.














2008 Chevrolet Corvette Z06


Points: 384.2
Lap Times: 2:02.2

In terms of best bang for the buck, the Chevrolet Corvette has long been the king of the hill. And with the high-performance Z06, it ruled the valleys, shores and flatlands as well. But has the time come for America's sports car to give up its throne?

No doubt, the Corvette's credentials are impressive: Producing 505 naturally aspirated bhp and 470 lb.-ft. of torque from its 7.0-liter V-8, the svelte Chevy packed the strongest punch of the group, while being the lightest on its feet, tipping the scales at a lean 3350 lb. It kept pace with the others to 60 mph, and then managed to set the fastest trap speed at the quarter-mile mark (123.7 mph), besting the 911 Turbo by 2.5 mph and the GT-R by 7.2. This just goes to show that although the Corvette couldn't get off the line as quickly as its awd competitors, once it got going, nothing here could touch it.

"I'll take a normally aspirated engine over a turbo any day, at least when it's this good. The Z06's engine has crazy power all the time, at any rpm, in any gear. And the sounds...come on, it's an American V-8, need I say more? It's the kind of power you can truly call 'neck-snapping,'" Monticello said.

The Corvette experienced a little more difficulty keeping pace with the others when the road started to bend. Despite the excellent grip provided by the fattest tires of the group — 275/35ZR-18s front and 325/30ZR-19s rear — and its state-of-the-art yaw-control system, the Z06's rear end danced around through low- and mid-speed corners. It did well to keep up with the Porsche at the racetrack, but the Vette had difficulty staying with the 911 Turbo and GT-R through sections of Highway 155 where the road is dusty and slick. But on a clean driving surface, the Corvette demonstrated why sports cars are traditionally rear-wheel drive, posting a neck-wrenching 0.99g around the skidpad and a 70.6-mph romp through the slalom.

"Anytime you put 505 bhp to the rear wheels, it presents a challenge. But GM has done a pretty good job here. With the traction/yaw control set to Competition Driving Mode, the Z06 allows more yaw than you might expect. Grip is good, but the car does like moving around a bit. It's more difficult to drive than the others, but very satisfying when done well," Bornhop said.

Despite lacking two rear seats, the Corvette proved an exceptional tourer. It exhibited an even ride, and the seats were comfortable though lacking in lateral support. The cockpit remains relatively quiet, with the engine being the loudest element, and that's a good thing.

We all agreed that the Corvette is the best-looking of the bunch. Its low, wide stance instantly implies that it means business. And when you consider its price tag of $79,595, the Corvette Z06 is still one of the best deals on the planet...only now, it may have company.


















2009 Nissan GT-R

Points: 386.6
Lap Times: 1:56.9

We knew coming into this test that Nissan's GT-R was good; we just didn't know how good. Our world-exclusive first test of the U.S.-spec GT-R marks a significant occasion because it's the first time anyone has driven the car with its newly revised suspension tuning, and the first time the GT-R's performance is being compared head-to-head with its rivals'.

Where the GT-R shined brightest was at the racetrack. You can see from its lap times that it handed both the Chevrolet Corvette and Porsche 911 Turbo their respective lunches, working its way around Buttonwillow's challenging Race No. 13 configuration about 5 sec. faster than the others. We were all impressed with Nissan's twin-turbo 3.8-liter V-6 that produces 480 bhp at 6400 rpm and 434 lb.-ft. of torque from 3200 to 5200 rpm, mated to a rear-mounted 6-speed twin-clutch gearbox. The IHI turbos, mounted to the exhaust manifolds for quick response, provide 11.8 psi of boost, helping the GT-R reach 60 mph in 3.4 sec., and get to the quarter mile in 11.8 — right there with the others despite its test weight of 3960 lb.

"The power from the GT-R's engine is phenomenal. Not because it has so much of it, but because it's delivered in such a smooth, naturally aspirated fashion. The smaller turbos of the GT-R spool up more quickly than the Porsche's, giving the effect of no lag. Its engine note, however, doesn't stir my sensibilities the way the Z06's and the 911 Turbo's do," Monticello observed.

The GT-R's handling was in a league by itself. The suspension felt more compliant than the Japan-spec model's, yet still provided unbelievable stability through all variety of corners. Just when you think you feel the rear end coming out, stay on the throttle and let the ATTESA E-TS awd system do its thing. It'll immediately transfer as much as 50 percent of the engine torque to the front wheels (the torque split for normal driving is 2/98), stabilizing the car without sacrificing speed. The Nissan's handling balance is so spectacular that it registered 1.01g on the skidpad and romped through the slalom at an impressive 73.4 mph, about 3 mph faster than the others (and faster than the Ferrari Enzo).

"The GT-R responds best when thrown into corners with gusto. Under braking with a bit of turn to the steering wheel, the GT-R's back end will come into play to help you tighten the corner line a bit, but never so much as to make the car unstable. Steering effort is light, and the awd system takes much of the drama out of exiting corners," Bornhop remarked.

The GT-R also performed well on the open road, though we gave the nod to the Porsche 911 Turbo in this department. That said, we could easily live with the GT-R on a daily basis. The ride is solid, it's the only one here with a conventional trunk, and the seats are comfortable. The Dunlop SP Sports get noisy at highway speed, but other than this and an occasionally clunky low-speed shift, the GT-R is a capable daily commuter.

"There's plenty of room for a big guy and a back seat that can be used by shorter folks on the occasional run to lunch. The ride is on the harsh side, even with the suspension setting switched to full comfort. The various screens of the monitor are neat, though some of the materials here could be better. But could I spend all day in the car? You bet," Monticello said.

As for the car's styling, we like it, although there are others who feel that it looks too robot-like. But the bottom line here has little to do with the car's looks and everything to do with how it performed. Simply put, the GT-R is the most potent automobile to ever come from Japan, and will surely have manufacturers in America and Europe rethinking their ways. If it weren't for the car's $69,850 asking price (an estimated $72,880 for our test car) — and the fact it wears a Nissan badge — the GT-R might well be considered the most exotic car on the planet.



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Never thought I'd see a 911 Turbo at the bottom of the point colum. That facelift all of a sudden can't come soon enough. This Nissan is on a terror. Time to call in the Corvette ZR-1.

M
 
Marcus, how's the article in the latest EVO? Wow!

GT-R trounces Z06 in 0-100-0 mph, beats R8 on Welsh roads and clouts 911 GT3 around Bedford. This car is truly a superlative effort and, together with its uniqueness in many aspects, living proof that the Japanese can do utterly fantastic performance cars.

The 911 Turbo however, has nothing to worry about; it's still the every day supercar for all seasons. It's a great road car and makes no pretence about being the ultimate track-burner. GT3 and GT2 are for that.

Z06: it's a monster but despite the fattest boots, lightest weight and most powerful engine is limited by the untalented, unsophisticated leaf suspension at the rear. On anything but a smooth road or track the Z06's rear axle's going twitch and bounce all over the show.

The GT-R is a masterstroke and we haven't even dipped into the Nismo parts bin yet... V-Spec is coming.
 
Damn, Z06 and 911TT got raped around the track. I really expected Z06 to be faster around a track.
 
Marcus, how's the article in the latest EVO? Wow!

GT-R trounces Z06 in 0-100-0 mph, beats R8 on Welsh roads and clouts 911 GT3 around Bedford. This car is truly a superlative effort and, together with its uniqueness in many aspects, living proof that the Japanese can do utterly fantastic performance cars.

The 911 Turbo however, has nothing to worry about; it's still the every day supercar for all seasons. It's a great road car and makes no pretence about being the ultimate track-burner. GT3 and GT2 are for that.

Z06: it's a monster but despite the fattest boots, lightest weight and most powerful engine is limited by the untalented, unsophisticated leaf suspension at the rear. On anything but a smooth road or track the Z06's rear axle's going twitch and bounce all over the show.

The GT-R is a masterstroke and we haven't even dipped into the Nismo parts bin yet... V-Spec is coming.


My god Martin has there been a car in recent history to rock the establishment so hard? WOW is right. Porsche is readying that 911 facelift as we speak! Great time to be a sports car buyer though, another golden age of the beast IMO. The only car left that doesn't cost 3 times the GT-R that it has to face is that Corvette ZR-1. I'm counting the days until someone compares them.




I also think this Nissan is why Lexus and Acura have yet to show their hand with a sports car and/or keep delaying them. Yes when the Japanese clean-sheet something for the sole purpose for beating the establishment they can do it. Yikes, did I say that?

M
 
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^ Time for the lazy europeans to digg deep into some (banned) racing technology like advanced active suspensions, 4 wheel steering, hydro-electric active differentials, ground effects and Co. and take the fight to the japanese.

I still think a Caparo T1 will trounce the GT-R badly on a track tough. :D:D:D
 
Uh-oh...I see another forum that the upcoming issue of CAR Magazine has a comparo between the GT-R, M3, R8 and GT3. It appears that the GT-R walloped them all again.

M
 
Yep thats the one. I hadn't seen it before. I was reading the scans on another site.

M
 
Z06: it's a monster but despite the fattest boots, lightest weight and most powerful engine is limited by the untalented, unsophisticated leaf suspension at the rear. On anything but a smooth road or track the Z06's rear axle's going twitch and bounce all over the show.

I think that the main problem of the Z06 is not the suspension (it has double wishbone geometry in both axles) but the lack of traction due to crappy OEM tires.
 
Another bullsh*t test.

Firstly the Z06 is usually 2 secs faster than the 997TT but for some reason this time its not. Also in this test the GTR is a whole 6 secs per lap faster.

6 secs a lap for such a short track is just phenomenal and going by other testing one can only conclude that the GTR had superior tires, and due to its driver freindly nature, and its ability to make a driver seem better than he really is thanks to all the computers allowed for such a fast time.

In this review he talks about how the GTR was easy to drive fast and inspire confidence, and for the otehr 2 cars he talked about how he lacked confidence when driving them. He also mentions how the GTR has super grippy tires.

In the hands of a average driver the GTR will win hands down. Give all 3 cars to a professional racing driver who doesnt lack confidence in any vehicle and im sure it would be a very different story. Once the R8 gets its turbo engine it should beat the GTR, as currently even though its massively underpowerd compared to the GTR its barely slower around some of the racetracks the GTR has set laptimes on.
 
Another bullsh*t test.

Have you ever wondered why is it that you have to make excuses about every single test that the GT-R wins or performs well in? It's not your fault that all the tests are BS and you have to correct them, right?
 
Have you ever wondered why is it that you have to make excuses about every single test that the GT-R wins or performs well in?

Oh come on bmer. You should very well know that the GT-R is a terrible car incapable of not only performing well, but winning tests against comparable cars. This test is totally fixed, as like every other test the GT-R is featured in....

;)
 
Im just concerned that all the computer help and superior AWD is taking away the driving fun/involvement. Thats the problem with performance cars today that they get more and more effective. I bet my mother can be very fast around a track with a GTR.
If the GTR was a RWD I dont think we would see these amazing laptimes by the GTR.
 
Have you ever wondered why is it that you have to make excuses about every single test that the GT-R wins or performs well in? It's not your fault that all the tests are BS and you have to correct them, right?

The only test I believe is the sportauto one.

The editor commented on this test and has said the reason why the GTR did so much better was because of the tyres so looks like I was right.

There was no way the GTR could brake quicker than the porsche or the Z06 when it weighs more and it not having ceramic brake discs. The brakes department on the GTR is one where nissan slightly skimped to save money, so for a much heavier car to outbrake the z06 and 911 suggests that it had grippier tyres and my assumptions where correct.

You would have to be an idiot to think the GTR weighing in at over 1700kg is 6 secs faster than the Z06 or 911 around such a short track unless ofcourse it had much better tyres.
 
The only test I believe is the sportauto one.

The editor commented on this test and has said the reason why the GTR did so much better was because of the tyres so looks like I was right.

There was no way the GTR could brake quicker than the porsche or the Z06 when it weighs more and it not having ceramic brake discs. The brakes department on the GTR is one where nissan slightly skimped to save money, so for a much heavier car to outbrake the z06 and 911 suggests that it had grippier tyres and my assumptions where correct.

You would have to be an idiot to think the GTR weighing in at over 1700kg is 6 secs faster than the Z06 or 911 around such a short track unless ofcourse it had much better tyres.

Yeah sure, that's why the Lamborghini Murcielago 6.2 pulls up - source: Sport Auto - from 200 km/h faster than a Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale; the latter of which is not only much lighter, but unlike the Lamborghini, features ceramic brakes. And in Sport Auto's supertest, the SLR had a shorter stopping distance than the Carrera GT despite being a great deal heavier. Oh, and the 599 GTB pulled a braking distance from 200 km/h near identical to the Enzo.

Tyres certainly play a factor in braking distance, but then so does weight distribution and actual brake size. Your simple black and white ("this car's heavier than that") logic simply does not fit here.
 
The brakes on the GT-R are pretty freakin' massive. Despite its mass, the GT-R actually has more swept area per ton than the Corvette. IMO, GM wasted a lot of money co-developing their new multiple-padlet system with their supplier, instead of using a tried-and-true off the shelf system from Brembo, Alcon, or whatever. Most certainly, Nissan did not skimp in this area.
Tires are an important factor for sure. So are the Nissan's advanced electronics. No doubt the mass of the Nissan's brakes (and unsprung weight overall) are better kept in check with its electronically controlled suspension than a car that does without. IMO, that has more to do with performance over bumps and whatnot than the springing medium.
 
Wow, conspiracy theories....you gotta love them.

M
 
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