Vs Road and Track - Comparison Test: GT-R vs. Corvette Z06 vs. 911 Turbo

[Mr Robert]

I think it is too bad that they decide to use a Nissan associate (profressional driver being beat by a bunch of magazine editors driving the competition... hrmm...) for the test.

On another note I find it nice to see that the reviews have changed. First off the journalists complained about the dull steering and video game like feedback. No more of that. I get the feeling that Nissan has done some reconfiguration of the car since the first drives in Japan, which from what I understand was made with preproduction cars. I wish this would be standard procedure with manufactureres. Let some credible critics have a say towards the end of testing and take their opinion in account.

I suspect BMW might have done a bit of the same with that early special invitation run in Marbella. Smart move if this is the case. The support of this theory is almost every review of the M3. They changed post Marbella.

BTW, why doesn't Nissan state the true power figure? Afraid that some of the magic will be lost if everyone knows that the Nissan is compared to cars with 100-150 hp less? Come on. Ger real.

 

[Sunny]

This is england,and I know england.The track was extremley cold and damp in places. This does not suit the GT3's cups at all.

What bs! First, it was a wet track, now it is "damp and cold in places"? Were you there when you they did the test to see if the track is "damp and cold in places"? The video shows the whole lap and any one can with the sligthest inclination towards facts see it is dry track.

 

[lambornima]

straight line testing matters more so me than track times (especially since the 997TT should have been on its optional tires) as I live in North America.

in that case the GTR loses (big time, especiall between 30-120 mph) and fails to live up to the hype. I wanna see a Euro spec GTR hit the Nring. SA got a 7:50 but not in the supertest. thats slower than the Z06.

 

[Poverty]

What bs! First, it was a wet track, now it is "damp and cold in places"? Were you there when you they did the test to see if the track is "damp and cold in places"? The video shows the whole lap and any one can with the sligthest inclination towards facts see it is dry track.

I can just look up the date of the test and looking at the video I can see the time of day to know that it was a cold and damp track.

 

[LaArtist]

keep in mind that there will be a v-spec..
cars for several million kroners could be in danger..hahah

 

[Guibo]

I can just look up the date of the test and looking at the video I can see the time of day to know that it was a cold and damp track.

Unless you were there at that track on that day, how would you know it was damp?
The video shows the track to be dry. The pictures show the track to be dry. Example:


Notice the tiresmoke from the GT3. That's hard to do if the track were damp. The GT-R is kicking up dust/dirt instead of chunks of mud.
The article doesn't mention anything about a damp track, or the track even being damp in places. Evo is generally very good about making such notes (eg. M3 vs C63 vs VXR, hot hatches vs Integrale, etc). The GT3's time in this test was faster than a previous dry test (1:22.6 vs 1:23.40), and if you're saying this track is damp, then the fact that the GT-R posts a 1:21.7 in the damp to the Superleggera's 1:21.8 in the dry is even more impressive.

 

[martinbo]

I have the issue. The track was bone dry. Richard Meaden says: "Poor weather would have unquestionably sealed the 911's fate before the test could start, so it's great to see the West Circuit is bathed in brilliant sunshine."

Yeah, for sure, the test was conducted in a tropical cyclone.

You're bullsh*tting Poverty. Why don't you go and spread some malice on another forum? Your conduct here leaves much to be desired. This is not the way of this community.

 

[castagna]

hot hatches vs Integrale

Could you post that article or at least the laptimes? Thanks in advance.

 

[Poverty]

I have the issue. The track was bone dry. Richard Meaden says: "Poor weather would have unquestionably sealed the 911's fate before the test could start, so it's great to see the West Circuit is bathed in brilliant sunshine."

Yeah, for sure, the test was conducted in a tropical cyclone.

You're bullsh*tting Poverty. Why don't you go and spread some malice on another forum? Your conduct here leaves much to be desired. This is not the way of this community.

Did they test it in england because I cant think of one day where it has been bone dry or even bathing in sunshine. Give me the day they tested it and I can get the weather forecast. Its been bloody raining non stop in england and the GTR is still slower than the GT3 and Z06 regardless.

 

[Sunny]

Did they test it in england because I cant think of one day where it has been bone dry or even bathing in sunshine. Give me the day they tested it and I can get the weather forecast. Its been bloody raining non stop in england and the GTR is still slower than the GT3 and Z06 regardless.

Yeah, you are right, Evil Nissan bribed Evo to lie that the track was dry and photoshop the pics to look like the sun is out, all the while it was pouring cats and dogs. While I appreciate your effort to expose Nissan, I don't think looking at the weather forcast will help, I am sure Nissan bribed the weather man too. Oh, those bastards!

BTW does this forum have an ignore feature, if not, I exhibit this thread as proof why one is needed.

 

[Bruce]

While I appreciate your effort to expose Nissan, I don't think looking at the weather forcast will help, I am sure Nissan also bribed the weather man too. Oh, those bastards!

Well, these guys do things like that you know. Weather men have been known to be bribed. Especially by Japanese car companies.

 

[Tarek]

Some comments here are very entertaining seriously

 

[Poverty]

Ive seen the video of the GTR vs the GT3 and the trackw as not bone dry. It appeared to be damp and greasy. The video is in the video section.

So a car that is underrated power wise, and has really sticky tires is a car made by god as its so awesome that its slighty faster around some tracks barring the 'ring than cars with some 100-150hp less horsepower.

All hail nissan, they are miracle workers

 

[coolraoul]

BTW does this forum have an ignore feature, if not, I exhibit this thread as proof why one is needed.

There is an ignore feature, but I don't know how exactly it works. I think there is an Ignore List in your user CP.

Ive seen the video of the GTR vs the GT3 and the trackw as not bone dry. It appeared to be damp and greasy. The video is in the video section.

So a car that is underrated power wise, and has really sticky tires is a car made by god as its so awesome that its slighty faster around some tracks barring the 'ring than cars with some 100-150hp less horsepower.

All hail nissan, they are miracle workers

Hey give us a break, will you?

The GTR may be underrated power wise, but you won't complain it has too much hp, will you?

So, the GTR is faster when it's not dry. Is it a disadvantage? Is it wrong not to be totally dangerous as far as the road is not perfectly dry?

And the GT3 is not just "a car with 100-150hp less". It is an enlightened, track-oriented version of the 911. It is recognized as one of the better sportcars today. I think you know it also is faster than a much more powerful 911 Turbo?

I'm sorry, I understand you're not happy with it. But the GTR is faster, and half as expensive as the Turbo; and it is almost as fast, half as expensive but way more versatile and user-friendly than a GT3.

You can't blame Nissan for giving its GTR excellent tyres, can you? Or a bit more hp than written on the ads?
And even without these tyres, the GTR is astonishingly fast. And, for its performances, astonishingly cheap. That's fact.

No need to search excuses, you have to reckon the GTR is a very impressive achievement from Nissan.

 

[Mr. Chigga_Chan]

Interesting results, and extremely entertaining posts lol.

If I had my way, the Porsche would dominate, but I feel like the Turbo has too many compromises against the Z06 and the GT-R. If I were shopping, I would only be shopping for the GT-R, even though I love Porsches.

The GT-R isn't godly, but its a fine achievement by Nissan, no denying it. Don't know why people are so butt hurt that it does well in competitions.

 

[Mr Robert]

The GT-R isn't godly, but its a fine achievement by Nissan, no denying it. Don't know why people are so butt hurt that it does well in competitions.

Only trouble I have with it is that Nissan doesn't state the true power figure and I can't think of any other reason why they do not than the one I stated above.

 

[Poverty]

A uk spec evo fq360 comes with 360 hp, and its faster than M3, 911's etc and only costs £35,000. I dont see everyone here getting as excited over that. Hell with the money Id save getting a UK spec evo over the £60,000 GTR I could easily make it faster for about £5,000 and still have £20,000 left to spend on something else, like a catherham that will also make a GTR look stupid around the racetrack.

But oh no the GTR is god, its slightly faster than much less powerful vehicles. Its rated 480hp at the wheels so the actual engine could be pumping out as much as 600hp. Wow so impressive that it beat the 420hp audi R8 around bedford by less than second. Nissan are miracle workers, they are bigger than jesus himself

 

[Tarek]

I think the argument reached a pointless stage,i'm not enjoying it anymore

 

[dOmInIX]

Well, if you want to look at this in another way, you can say 'Why didn't they compare 997 GT2 with GTR?' - GTR is the best Nissan they can/have made and GT2 is the best Porsche made and they are similar cars by the purpose.

But I as Porsche fan, don't want to bash GTR - I want to give Nissan credit for making such a competitive car that can defeat European cars which have great tradition.

Now, if few seconds of difference on a race track are so important factor to you it's not really good thing. I personally would take GT3 and wouldn't feel bad because GTR was faster in test. I would be happy driving a materpiece of todays automotive industry.

 

[coolraoul]

I completely agree with you DoMiNix, I don't think these times are so important. I would take either the Turbo or the GT3 over the GTR, without any doubt.

However, one have to reckon the achievement that the GTR is. It's not perfect, it's not divine, but it's one hell of a car, very fast at a very fair price. It does not mean it's the best car in the world.

But it's a very great car, and indeed manages to threaten a 911 Turbo or a 911 GT3 on a track. It's not every car that can do that.