M3/M4 [Reviews] BMW M3 Saloon & M4 Coupe


The BMW M3 is a high-performance version of the BMW 3 Series, developed by BMW's in-house motorsport division, BMW M GmbH. M3 models have been produced for every generation of 3 Series since the E30 M3 was introduced in 1986. The BMW M4 is a high-performance version of the BMW 4 Series automobile developed by BMW's motorsport division, BMW M, that has been built since 2014. As part of the renumbering that splits the coupé and convertible variants of the 3 Series into the 4 Series, the M4 replaced those variants of the BMW M3. Official website: BMW M

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The first review is in.....

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2015 BMW M3 and 2015 BMW M4 Test Drive

"So, get on the list for one of either if you have the hankering. You will be so happy."
 
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Autocar's take:

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/bmw/m3/first-drives/bmw-m3-first-drive-review

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/bmw/m4/first-drives/bmw-m4-first-drive-review

Should I buy one?
BMW M chiefs say the M4 coupé is 15sec faster than the old M3 coupé around the Nürburgring, where much of its chassis development was carried out. Part of the gain is down to the added performance delivered by the new turbocharged engine. However, it is clear the handling has also risen to a lofty new level as well.

An even bigger achievement in my eyes is the new car’s broad spread of ability. You can cruise along the motorway in admirable comfort with the steering in a relatively relaxed state, the suspension offering excellent compliance, the engine in its most efficient state and the DSC at the ready.

Then you can head out on to the track with the steering feel heightened, the chassis primed for ultimate body control, the throttle mapping set for maximum attack and the electronic safety net disengaged in a bid to better your lap time.

However, there are apparent shortfalls. While it is spectacularly powerful and endows the M4 coupé to previously unattained levels of acceleration, the new engine lacks engagement and sounds disappointingly flat at certain points in the rev range. It also fails to match the sheer response of the engine it succeeds.

For many potential buyers who might consider the BMW M4 coupé when it goes on sale in the UK later this month this will blunt its charm, but only until they discover the gains in driveability and stunning in-gear qualities. What it lacks in overall excitement, it more than makes up for in everyday driving appeal.

Topgear's:

http://www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/bmw-m3-m4-first-drive-2014-5-8

So overall the M3 is still up to scratch?

It is, although it’s also a different car. It’s not as fiery now, not as raw and frantic. You’ll end up surfing the mid-range on the exits of corners because it’s more than enough. You might end up driving everywhere a gear higher, because it feels right. This is a shame – some of the naturally aspirated M3’s purity and hardness has undoubtedly been lost. You don’t have to interact with the car as closely or know it as intimately as you did with the old one. But things are going this way, and the trade off is 30mpg, cheaper tax and passengers that won’t moan about the racket. I think BMW has judged it about right. The chassis is peachy, the engine wonderfully potent – it’s a winning combination.

Car & Driver:

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2015-bmw-m4-coupe-first-drive-review

Motortrend:

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/1405_2015_bmw_m3_m4_first_test/

The M3 and M4 hits showrooms this June, while convertible lovers will have to wait until September for the drop-top M4. Which to buy? If it were my money, the M3, with identical performance and feel to the coupe and the added practicality of four doors, gets the vote.

Road & Track:

http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-reviews/first-drives/first-drive-2015-m3-m4
 
So I was spot on with my speculation of 7:50 Ring time from a year ago.
As fast as the CSL and only two seconds slower than the GTS.
That's not what really matters tho. I like what I read about the steering which was my main concern.
Even tho there's less feedback, there's still enough. Steering wins on all other fronts compared to the E92 M3.
They did put a lot of effort with this one and it seems like all the flaws from the regular cars(F30/F32) are gone with the M's.
The engine is not as sweet as the V8 but that's no news. Good to know that it's a brilliant turbo engine and suits the car really well.
Another Great M3 it seems!

Chris Harris will have the final word and I can't wait to drive these two :)
 
These new M cars are to my taste..they are not as edgy as before, i didnt like that..

They have more torque..more comfort.. and they loook great all of them M5,4,3, and 6..

only complaint i have is that they don't sound so great..

Im happy ( which often means that BMW fans are sad) :D
 
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Regarding steering its sounds like overall its an improvement. Some minor complaints but thats something you're getting used too thesedays.
 
Autocar: 4 stars. Really disappointed that Sutcliffe didn't do the review. Kable applies the term "exceptional" more liberally than Piz Buin on a Tenerife beach and yet - given the frame of reference that's unattainable in the form of the S65 - looks to the past through rose-tinted glasses (just like they did for the E92 M3) and dishes out a 4 star rating.

I remember it panned out like this before... the initial ratings for E92 M3 were highly critical of weight and steering feel (yes, it's still glassy but now practically every mag out there gives it five stars based on hindsight) and for M3 fans it was doom and gloom. I'm waiting to hear what EVO (please God let it not be Duff Mike or Vivid Vivian) and Chris Harris have to say. In any event, every German car in this class is going the turbocharged route... let's wait and see...

I can't wait to drive this car for myself.
 
"Nerd Alert"
"I guess and I am only guessing, is that steering dampers with electrically assisted steering, has to be seriously damped eliminating vibrations and thus reducing feedback. Electronics hate vibrations, vibrations are proportional to how communicative Steering dampers/pushes/linkages are.

I guess Porsche did synthetic feedback tweaks to the GT3 system. Its not natural (feedback wise). so the system itself create vibrations in the wheel to recreate actual tire vibrations."

Back to the M3, I honestly started to think that companies trap themselves into their own lineup strategy. An M3 could be as fast as a 991 Turbo if they wanted to. They just don't want to outshine M5/6. This is wrong.
 
Ollie Marriage - former EVO scribe and properly handy driver - from Top Gear gave M3 / M4 9 out of 10.

TopGear said:
And is that the case with the M3?

Yes. BMW make much of the fact this 3.0-litre revs to 7,600rpm, but they haven’t given you enough reasons to go there. I had hoped they would save an extra surge of power for the top end, but actually it’s pretty much the same at 5,000rpm as 7,000rpm. Which is the same as at 3,000rpm, too. It’s extremely linear and pulverisingly fast: 425bhp and 405lb ft from 1850-5500rpm in a car that’s now 80kg lighter than before will have that effect. But the engine note doesn’t develop or change as the revs build. It’s kind of tuneful and there’s quite a bit of volume, but you’re aware that it’s not completely natural.

How so?

The ECU is clever. Too clever by half. It knows what revs you’re at and what the engine should sound like at those revs, then adds a bit more through the speakers. You can’t tell where the noise is coming from, but you can tell that it’s a bit artificial.

OK, so what about response?

This could be one of the best turbo engines ever. Stick it in Sport Plus mode and it has anti-lag. You know, like a rally car. Well, not actually like a rally car, but in order to make the turbos as responsive as possible when you’re driving quickly, the engine injects a bit of extra petrol into the cylinders when you lift off or brake to keep the combustion process active and the turbo spinning at over 120,000rpm. So when you get back on the throttle, the turbo is already there, delivering (almost) instant boost and response. You do notice the improvement. It’s not quite naturally aspirated, but it’s damn close. And it’s not just that that makes this engine so good.

No?

It’s how the turbos – which are tiny incidentally, about the size of pill bottle tops – never over-react to your inputs. Turbos often get carried away, and keep on blowing after you’ve lifted off, or have inconsistent response at different points in the rev range. These feel very pure – they respond precisely and are immaculately well behaved. Plus they pack a proper punch – 0-62mph takes 4.1 seconds.And is that the case with the M3?

Yes. BMW make much of the fact this 3.0-litre revs to 7,600rpm, but they haven’t given you enough reasons to go there. I had hoped they would save an extra surge of power for the top end, but actually it’s pretty much the same at 5,000rpm as 7,000rpm. Which is the same as at 3,000rpm, too. It’s extremely linear and pulverisingly fast: 425bhp and 405lb ft from 1850-5500rpm in a car that’s now 80kg lighter than before will have that effect. But the engine note doesn’t develop or change as the revs build. It’s kind of tuneful and there’s quite a bit of volume, but you’re aware that it’s not completely natural.
 
Autocar: 4 stars. Really disappointed that Sutcliffe didn't do the review.

I'm sure he'll get his hands on it soon. There will be the first UK drives, group tests, videos for the internet to do. Then, when the rivals launch new cars such as the C 63 AMG at the end of the year they'll wheel out the M3 again.

In the meantime, here's Car Magazine's take on it. I remember Ben Barry being at the launch of the E92 M3 too.

BMW M4 Coupe (2014) review
 
EVO posted this unintresting video. Change your priorities..We demand a M3 review.....

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Mercedes E63 S AMG v Vauxhall VXR8 GTS: drag race
 
Jeesh, again that retarded Vauxhall? Who are they kidding?
 
EVO posted this unintresting video. Change your priorities..We demand a M3 review.....

What does this video have to do with anything? It was posted already on this forum a few days ago and has nothing to do with M3/M4 reviews.
 
Sorry EVO I was to harsh on you.


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+ An exciting car at its limit
- Not quite as brilliant the rest of the time

It’s certainly a very different experience to the E92, where the best drives I had were when the needle seemed to be living permanently above about 6000rpm. The engine’s performance is, however, more accessible in the M4 and the throttle response is phenomenal for a car with forced induction – helped perhaps by the reductions in rotating mass thanks to a forged crank and a carbon propshaft. But there is just a tingle of disappointment that there’s not much reward for hanging on to the gears.

BMW M4 review – has BMW honed the M4 into a class leader?

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No words about the steering??
 
....by using the word M3 it has everything to do with the thread.

No it doesn't. The only person that mentioned "M3" is you.

This is the M3/M4 reviews thread, and you post a video of a VXR v E 63 AMG.

To think you used to be a mod too. :rolleyes:
 
Sigh! Whatever dude. I posted the Evo review so be a good boy and push the like button.
 

BMW M

BMW M GmbH, formerly known as BMW Motorsport GmbH, is a subsidiary of BMW AG that manufactures high-performance luxury cars. BMW M ("M" for "motorsport") was initially created to facilitate BMW's racing program, which was very successful in the 1960s and 1970s. As time passed, BMW M began to supplement BMW's vehicle portfolio with specially modified higher trim models, for which they are now most known by the general public. These M-badged cars traditionally include modified engines, transmissions, suspensions, interior trims, aerodynamics, and exterior modifications to set them apart from their counterparts. All M models are tested and tuned at BMW's private facility at the Nürburgring racing circuit in Germany.
Official website: BMW M

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