Report: Mercedes Benz to phase out V12 engine

[GTA45E]

BMW and Mercedes are already in trouble with the latest CAFE standards.

Lets just simply hope these new engine are at least 20-25% cleaner than the outgoing engines. The current V12 in the S600 is really a dinosaur. It is the least efficient in it`s class.

I`m wondering what MB will do to it when DI is added to the their V8 engines and AMG engine fleet. should the S600 get DI? and what about the V12 in the S65.. something should be done to clean up these cars.

Or maby MB doesn`t want to invest more money in these engines because of their life cycle is about up.

It would be nice to at least see the V12 in the S65 go out with a bang, say with a 40hp increase and a special interior.

 

[Pagani]

I still believe the regular V12 will remain (S 600). BMW is scheduled to release the 7er V12 soon, and MB will want to compete. There may not be a V12 AMG anymore, perhaps. It makes sense with the V8 twin-turbo engines. There will be less confusion in the AMG range. There will be similar power, lighter weight.

 

[nex0801]

I just can't imagine Maybach with V8 or V10 engine.
I think Maybach will keep using V12s.

 

[SKY]

Carspyshots insider, McLaren P10 has said that Mercedes AMG will be the very first car maker to debut a FLYBRID model. This is, a production car equiped with KERS. It will be the next SL with a 5.0 TT V8 engine with 700 hp.

 

[Zafiro]

Next M3 CSL was suppose to get KERS technology. Too bad BMW cancelled the project.

 

[bum-man]

Carspyshots insider, McLaren P10 has said that Mercedes AMG will be the very first car maker to debut a FLYBRID model. This is, a production car equiped with KERS. It will be the next SL with a 5.0 TT V8 engine with 700 hp.

700hp with or without the use of KERS? Personally, I feel if they are doing the hybrid thing in a sports car then they should be a bit more moddest with the size of the engine and output.

Although, I do feel that any performance car with a hybrid drivetrain to be a bit stupid, so F* it give us 1400hp instead Mercedes because 700hp sounds like peanuts.

 

[SCOTT27]

The next BMW M5 Due in Late 2011 will feature KERS ,and a thermal exchanger for the rear exhaust, along with Cylinder cut off and other ED technology. Road Car trials within BMW's closed off test tracks are proving to be very sucessful.

 

[SKY]

The next BMW M5 Due in Late 2011 will feature KERS ,and a thermal exchanger for the rear exhaust, along with Cylinder cut off and other ED technology. Road Car trials within BMW's closed off test tracks are proving to be very sucessful.

Yep, but the interesting part of this engine coming from Mercedes it´s that it will have 700 hp, the M5 will have more modest numbers.

 

[SCOTT27]

Only 700BHP? For a company that goes public and finally admits the HorsePower war is over they seem intent on prolonging it. I wonder how the shareholders will react when they receive further fines as currently they are not overly ecstatic especially in the current climate. Nor are they for being singled out as a manufacturer who have put ultimate excess ahead of fuel efficient cars .

 

[Bilal]

Guys, please enlighten me, what is 'KERS' ?

 

[bum-man]

Kenetic Energy Recovery System, it's what they are using in F1 this coming season just another fancy name for a hybrid system.

 

[coolraoul]

It's a kind of hybrid like bum-man said. Here what I understood from the sytem:

It's in fact based on the "Kinetic energy" (energy of the movement to simplify things).

So it's not a petrol + an electric motor working together, like a Full Hybrid.

It's more like a Mild Hybrid, but not exactly.

In fact, it's more like a very advanced braking energy recovering system.

The braking forces of the car are producing energy, who is stored in batteries linked to a (very compact) electric motor. This motor can provide an additional boost to the main petrol engine of the car.

The petrol engine never charges the electric one, that's where it differs from a mild hybrid. The electric motor only have its energy from the braking forces (hence, KINETIC energy recovering system). The elctric motor is almost like a turbo in fact, giving boost when needed (but for 5-6 sec max for now).

KERS can also recover the heat produced by the motor/exhaust, but it's not done yet I believe.

Kinda interesting system, especially the heat recovery thing, where I believe huge amounts of energy can be recovered.

 

[sako97]

Yesterday I had a chat with the AMG US management guy who came to MB Manhattan, he had indicated that V12 motor is not leaving anytime soon. He really didn't tell me any news other than that the 65 Series engine will be updated to 640hp to match the new Maybach Zeppelin. They are also working on a new transmission for the V12.

 

[cawimmer430]

Yesterday I had a chat with the AMG US management guy who came to MB Manhattan, he had indicated that V12 motor is not leaving anytime soon. He really didn't tell me any news other than that the 65 Series engine will be updated to 640hp to match the new Maybach Zeppelin. They are also working on a new transmission for the V12.

Great news if it proves to be true!

 

[Tarek]

640hp+plus new 7G would be a total earth shattering,like if it's not already

U gotta hand it to MB guys for making such complete badass engines

 

[klier]

Kenetic Energy Recovery System, it's what they are using in F1 this coming season just another fancy name for a hybrid system.

That's for the next M5

 

[Wolfgang]

AMG working on cylinder deactivation, may keep the V12?

AMG looks to better efficiency

The acclaimed 6.3-liter V8 that won two gongs at this year’s International Engine of the Year Awards, including best Performance Engine, was the first engine that AMG developed in house. However, AMG’s head of engine and powertrain development, Friedrich Eichler, has admitted that it’s unlikely his division will “go it alone” for future powertrain development.


Above: AMG will work more closely with Mercedes when it comes to future powertrain development

Speaking to Engine Technology International at the International Engine of the Year Awards 2009, Eichler said, “This was the first engine that was completely developed at AMG without any parts from Mercedes-Benz, but I think for the future, a better strategy will be to work more closely with Mercedes-Benz. That way, we’ll be able to share engineering tasks. Mercedes-Benz has a really big R&D division and we can use this facility for improving our engines. We’ll share parts with them as well.”

And it’s not just managing expenditure that Eichler is focusing on. “We care about emissions and fuel economy – that’s really important for us.” He also admitted that even AMG will start to downsize engines. “The special challenge for the future will be to have great power and torque, but without high fuel consumption and emissions output. In terms of size, we can never say never, but what is important is the number of cylinders.

A lot of our customers like V8 and V12 engines, but it’s not necessary to use all the cylinders all the time. We’re working on cylinder deactivation and on an engine with this technology; maybe we’ll have completed this in two years’ time.”


From: Latest News : Engine Technology International

 

[HighestOfHigh]

For the best known Luxury car maker in the world, they better keep their V12's. Let BMW and/or Audi get rid of theirn 12 cylinder cars, NOT Benz. The S600 is Mercedes-Benz. Without the V12, there just a Lexus competitor.

 

[Gullwing]

I don't care about the V12. They don't sell all that many and can get just as much power from a turbocharged V8.

 

[ZicZachZo]

For a company struggling to find ground in a shaky market, now is not the time to spend any money developing anything for the top of the line.