JD Power report update: 2010 Mercedes-Benz S550 vs. BMW 750iL


This is the way a Mercedes should be! :t-cheers:

Good to see BMW drastically improving too. I'd love to see MB, BMW and AUDI knock Lexus of their perch.
 
The most important thing Mercedes can do is improve quality. Nothing is more important at the end of the day. Making sure new technology is reliable and everything is right is more important than hp or styling IMO.


M
 
The most important thing Mercedes can do is improve quality. Nothing is more important at the end of the day. Making sure new technology is reliable and everything is right is more important than hp or styling IMO.


M

That does seem to be the case Marcus. Mercedes sales continue to improve with the climb in quality, reliability and customer satisfaction. There was a brief report on Bloomberg today about Lexus being rather concerned with the progress Mercedes is making. :banana:
 
I can understand they Lexus would be concerned. What they tried to do (or did depending on who you ask) to Mercedes, is now being done to them. Lexus is getting hit from all sides now. These new luxury Hyundai's are taking direct aim at Lexus buyers at the low end while Mercedes has corrected their problems and delivered a superior product at the high end, think LS vs S or E vs GS.

Lexus got to be #1 in the U.S. after Mercedes dropped the ball in quality and customer satisfaction. They also built their house on the fact that were significantly cheaper than Mercedes' offerings, but that isn't the case anymore.

A LS460L can cost 90K+ now loaded, why would you pay that much for it when you can have a S550 or 750Li for just a little bit more or A8L for less?

The GS has never been a player in that segment, the 5 and E continue to dominate and the A6 and M are also more popular.

Now with Korea squeezing them at the low end they've got to come up with something to set themselves apart. Customer service can be mastered by anyone. Customer satisfaction can be too. Anyone can do that. Thing is that a Lexus has very little or nothing to gloat about or recommend it over any European car once you get past the surveys and now that Mercedes has turned things around in surveyland they should be nervous because their cars aren't superior or even a match in a lot of cases.

Lexus' are nice cars, my mom just bought an IS250 AWD so I've been around one and driven one more than anytime previously. Very inviting dealership and service department, but for someone who cares more about the car itself they're still lacking.

That said, I'll still take an IS-F and a LF-A please. Other than that their lineup is still yawn city and when others match them in quality there is no advantage anymore. They know this which is why they're trying to make their cars more appealing = sportier. Their own people say this.


M
 
The most important thing Mercedes can do is improve quality. Nothing is more important at the end of the day. Making sure new technology is reliable and everything is right is more important than hp or styling IMO.


M

You're absolutely right. There is nothing worse than an unreliable car at the end of the day.

I do have serious reservations about the longevity of many of the new technologies. From my personal experience, the dynamic/multi-contour seats are often unreliable. I've had the air bladders in the passenger seat replaced once, the button-control cluster replaced, and the pump replaced TWICE in 5 years. To be honest, the dynamic seat function still feel iffy.

The new LED headlights are rumoured to be very very expensive to replace. Although they are designed to last the life of the vehicle, but somehow I doubt it.

To give you an indication, the annual price of the extended warranty for a S Class for the 6th year is close to 10% of the price of a brand new S500 in Hong Kong. You do the sums and I wonder if these new models can be kept for more than 5-6 years without breaking the bank....................
 
You're absolutely right. There is nothing worse than an unreliable car at the end of the day.

I do have serious reservations about the longevity of many of the new technologies. From my personal experience, the dynamic/multi-contour seats are often unreliable. I've had the air bladders in the passenger seat replaced once, the button-control cluster replaced, and the pump replaced TWICE in 5 years. To be honest, the dynamic seat function still feel iffy.

The new LED headlights are rumoured to be very very expensive to replace. Although they are designed to last the life of the vehicle, but somehow I doubt it.

To give you an indication, the annual price of the extended warranty for a S Class for the 6th year is close to 10% of the price of a brand new S500 in Hong Kong. You do the sums and I wonder if these new models can be kept for more than 5-6 years without breaking the bank....................

Where the Mercs will get hammered is going to continue to be in the Used car market. All the new and super expensive technology is tailored for the "Lease then throw away" culture of Luxury cars indeed.

On the S maintaining the JD top spot, it just goes further to prove that the W221 is the pinnacle really. It's just the first car M-B released perfectly after a little "drought" per-se, in certain areas.
 
MBUSA Cited By J.D. Power as Service "Champion."



Five luxury automobile brands were in the top 40 brands ranked by J.D. Power and Associates in its annual Customer Service Champions report. Jaguar, Lexus, Cadillac, Mercedes-Benz, Lincoln all made the list. They were joined by two other luxury brands: hoteliers Four Seasons and Ritz Carlton.

[Source] www.luxist.com

:t-cheers:



Wow, thats awesome news...
I was in the grocery store about 20-minutes ago and came across the latest Consumer-Reports 2011 car reliability issue. This magazine has been
extremely hard on the S-Class for the last 7 years with "predicted" quality reports.
I picked up this latest issue expecting better this time.... Low and behold!!!
Consumer-Reports has given the 2010 f/l S-Class a better than average rating in owners satisfaction and reliability! On top of that, thay actually
Recommend the S-Class as a very good car... :usa7uh:

The S-Class wasn`t the only one. The 2010 E,C, and ML-Class (all MB bread and butter vehicles) are Recommended vehicles by this extremely critical magazine!

MB fans?, I believe we can expect a sales boost with this smashing breakthrough!:bowdown:
 
Like I said months ago, Mercedes is truly aware that the most important thing for them is quality. I can't believe that they gambled on previous S-Classes, like the W220. That is your flagship car and you heaved a clunker on the road. They now know better hence the W221's complete turn around in quality. I have no fear in buying a used S550 or CL550 now. I wouldn't touch a 220 S500 or CL500, as good as they look.

Lexus had better come up with something else because as you see in surveys, companies like Jaguar can master customer satisfaction and their cars are full of bugs by comparison.


The problem Mercedes now has is that there are millions of W220, W210, and first generation MLs on the road and those cars will continue to piss off owners all over the world and that group may or may not come back to Mercedes when the time comes.

This is where having Consumer Reports recommend the current group of Mercedes cars is most vital, so an owner of a W220 S550 will at least consider a new S550. Such an S500 owner may give Mercedes another chance when he sees that Mercedes' worst critic has come around to now actually recommending Mercedes cars.

Take my car (2003 CLK430 Cabriolet - C208 chassis) - has a lot of little issues here and there, nothing to strand me, but things like the parking brake handle breaking, headlamp washers covers popping off, radio antenna cracking/splitting etc. Those things just should be happening on a car that was over 60K when new. Now I did buy mine with about 30K on the clock in 2006, but the car had all the service records and it was well maintained. The workmanship is just poor. Its a Shremp era car and it and all the rest will continue to haunt Mercedes for years to come. Hopefully Mercedes will never, ever make the mistakes they made from 1998-2007 again.



M
 
Like I said months ago, Mercedes is truly aware that the most important thing for them is quality. I can't believe that they gambled on previous S-Classes, like the W220. That is your flagship car and you heaved a clunker on the road. They now know better hence the W221's complete turn around in quality. I have no fear in buying a used S550 or CL550 now. I wouldn't touch a 220 S500 or CL500, as good as they look.

Lexus had better come up with something else because as you see in surveys, companies like Jaguar can master customer satisfaction and their cars are full of bugs by comparison.


The problem Mercedes now has is that there are millions of W220, W210, and first generation MLs on the road and those cars will continue to piss off owners all over the world and that group may or may not come back to Mercedes when the time comes.

This is where having Consumer Reports recommend the current group of Mercedes cars is most vital, so an owner of a W220 S550 will at least consider a new S550. Such an S500 owner may give Mercedes another chance when he sees that Mercedes' worst critic has come around to now actually recommending Mercedes cars.

Take my car (2003 CLK430 Cabriolet - C208 chassis) - has a lot of little issues here and there, nothing to strand me, but things like the parking brake handle breaking, headlamp washers covers popping off, radio antenna cracking/splitting etc. Those things just should be happening on a car that was over 60K when new. Now I did buy mine with about 30K on the clock in 2006, but the car had all the service records and it was well maintained. The workmanship is just poor. Its a Shremp era car and it and all the rest will continue to haunt Mercedes for years to come. Hopefully Mercedes will never, ever make the mistakes they made from 1998-2007 again.



M

Yup, for example, I know a girl who is driving a hooptied out, janky first-gen ML, that she got from an AUCTION (notorious for p*ss-poor examples).

She said one time that: "I think I'm over Mercedes now, and going back to BMW". I sat in her ML once, the thing is a POS. It creaks, rattles, makes funny noises, sounds like it's about to fall apart, etc. The interior is horrendous, and it looks like it's been bathed in armor-all its whole life, on top of that. Just rock hard plastics, dried up, squeaky, creaky, etc.

My car is like a whole different car from that. From sitting in new gen M-B's, after a car like that, you notice that although the plastics may be questionable in terms of softness and delicacy to the touch, they are absolutely made to LAST, and made to withstand abuse as best as they can.
 
Finally! I think Mercedes has also learned PR :D

On a serious note, lets hope they also take care of some lame designs in their portfolio. IMO hire Peter Shryer or consult Henrick Fisker.

I am having this feeling after looking at their new designs (SLK, C class front facelift and the expected ML design) that history will repeat for Mercedes when in 1980s they had the most beautiful sedans with w126 and 190E replaced by far less pretty w140 and ugly C class (1st generation). :eusa_pray
 
To me, W221/W211 & W212/W204 has been their best Sedan lineup (and the best out there period, during their production runs thus far, completely worthy of the W126 era and-pre era's "Mercedes-Benz Sedan" badge) in a long long time.

The successors of these models have their work cut out for them. Evolution>Revolution here.
 

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