EQE (V295) [Renders] 2022 Mercedes-Benz EQE

[hannaz]

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[domleo999]

I saw one in full camo today around 6am in Dubai. Probably doing some hot weather testing.

I couldn't snap any pics unfortunately.

I hate the EQs in every way possible, but from I saw this model seemed to suit the proportions well in person.

Looked pretty sporty too IRL.

Very promising.

Hmm...

 

[Sonder]

So no front lightbar for the E.
Where is the other LED dot ?
Wasnt it so, that the S/EQS has 3, the E 2 and the C 1 ?

 

[agem]

So no front lightbar for the E.
Where is the other LED dot ?
Wasnt it so, that the S/EQS has 3, the E 2 and the C 1 ?

No lightbar on the EQE indeed.

 

[LaArtist]

hmm looks less retarded.. lets see

 

[J.E]

@gorden.wagener

 

[Merc1]

If it actually looked like that..........


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[burana800]

Ram those design sketches up your ass Gordon the car looks nothing like them. Sorry, I lost sight of myself for a second. I think it's gonna be a cool car

 

[Steven21]

We are here mainly discussing looks. And mainly of the exterior.
But in reality I need to know the “technical data” to make a good decision.
Ok. We have now the WLTP driving cycle, but is this useful ? AFAIK the average speed is now about 46 km/h (for WLTP, for NEFZ it was about 36 km/h, how ridiculous).
I need to know what is the energy consumption when driving on a highway, because this is where the range is important. For me and probably also for most others, because on the highway the longest distances are driven. Maybe with an average speed of 120 km/h. And I would like to see the difference between summer (18 degrees Celsius) and winter (5 degrees Celsius). And I would want to see the value with climatisation on and with navigation/entertainment on. WLTP turns these off, how realistic is this ?
I assume here are some readers with a lot of experience, maybe even working for the manufacturers. So does anybody know about these useful details ? For EQS and EQE, Taycan, Etron GT, Tesla (all types), Ioniq 5 etc. etc. ?

I know that a rule of thumb could be to deduct 20% of the WLTP range. But this is very crude. And actually stupid. We have computers in all the cars that can give all these details and are obviously more intelligent than the car sales people who try to hide all useful info from the enthusiastic users.

I am fed up spending thousands of euro on “high tec” cars and hearing only marginal data about the actual ranges. “Professional car sellers” and only very amateurish and totally imcomplete information. That’s a gap, a competence gap as wide as an ocean.

This is not specific for the EQE, but for all brands. Any ideas how to get the missing information ?

 

[Serpens]

I'm just going to say you're asking a lot . Don't expect to ever get the information from a manufacturer with any regularity-they report what's required and little else.

 

[PHYBENZ]

I actually don't mind the EQE not having the light bar, but it seems like a weird decision. The EQC, EQB and EQS have it... why not the E? Also good point on the headlights... no two dots? Has Gordon now gotten over that design ingenuity?

 

[Pagani]

@gorden.wagener

Really painful to see these concepts that set you up for heartbreak when the production car is out. I just have no faith after the EQS melt/letdown.

 

[Steven21]

At least I found others that ask the same question. E.g. caranddriver.com . But the numbers I found are almost 2 years old.

EV Range: Everything You Need to Know

We explain EPA ratings, factors that affect range, how EVs have performed in our testing, and why it's all very complicated.

www.caranddriver.com

They have a special highway test done at 75 mph and also a city test (that I find not so useful).
Interesting were some general explanations. If you switch from gas or diesel to an EV, then keep in mind:
Gas powered vehicles almost always have a better highway efficiency than a city efficiency. Contrary to that all EVs have a higher city range than highway range, with the exception of the Taycan. That makes the difference between them even bigger (for a user switching the car type).
And it shows that generally deducting 20% off WLTP or a similar procedure (with EPA rating) is unrealistic. For some cars the correction is smaller, for others much bigger. Two examples. Audi Etron from 2019 is at 93%, while the Kona from 2019 (the worst example) was at only 62% of the combined rating.

 

[Shellshock]

OMG can they just show the car please lol

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2 more days

 

[BorkLaser]

This is not specific for the EQE, but for all brands. Any ideas how to get the missing information ?

Audi has an range calculator for it´s e-tron SUV models.

https://www.audi.de/de/brand/de/elektromobilitaet/reichweite.html

About the EQE... well according to MB an EQE 350(One of the teasers showed the back of an EQE 320 in a grey exterior color) has a combined power consumption of 19,3-15,7 kWh/100 km(provisionally). Now the question is, what the net battery capacity is gonna be.

 

[dalab]

Audi has an range calculator for it´s e-tron SUV models.

https://www.audi.de/de/brand/de/elektromobilitaet/reichweite.html

About the EQE... well according to MB an EQE 350(One of the teasers showed the back of an EQE 320 in a grey exterior color) has a combined power consumption of 19,3-15,7 kWh/100 km(provisionally). Now the question is, what the net battery capacity is gonna be.

2 x 8 =16

 

[Steven21]

I found the video of Bloch testing an early (preproduction) EQS 480+ . He said he drove it to Berlin (highway) and with a full battery made about 680 km. (He drove about 636 km and about 46 km were still available on the battery). While driving at 120km/h (dry weather, steady driving, flat road, no acceleration, climatization and all gadgets on) the car showed usage numbers of about 16 kW which seems very low for such a big and heavy car. Usually you get this number only for very small EVs.
A Etron SUV has maybe about 25 kW at this speed, this is why I think the Etrons are not very efficient EVs. The EQS seems therefore to be currently the top of efficiency. (Better range than even S plaid, so maybe Elon has to revive the S plaid plus project to beat it.)
Also charging seems to be top. From 6% to 80% in 32 min . Average ! charging rate 146 kW. Average, not peak !
Of course nobody tells exactly how bad this is for the duration of life of the battery.

 

[Steven21]

Audi has an range calculator for it´s e-tron SUV models.

https://www.audi.de/de/brand/de/elektromobilitaet/reichweite.html

About the EQE... well according to MB an EQE 350(One of the teasers showed the back of an EQE 320 in a grey exterior color) has a combined power consumption of 19,3-15,7 kWh/100 km(provisionally). Now the question is, what the net battery capacity is gonna be.

For the bigger EQS it is 107.x and about 90 for the smaller battery. (Usable capacity, brutto is bigger but not known). So I think it could be about 90 for the EQE, to make a gap to the EQS.

 

[Mr. Mercedes]

I found the video of Bloch testing an early (preproduction) EQS 480+ . He said he drove it to Berlin (highway) and with a full battery made about 680 km. (He drove about 636 km and about 46 km were still available on the battery). While driving at 120km/h (dry weather, steady driving, flat road, no acceleration, climatization and all gadgets on) the car showed usage numbers of about 16 kW which seems very low for such a big and heavy car. Usually you get this number only for very small EVs.
A Etron SUV has maybe about 25 kW at this speed, this is why I think the Etrons are not very efficient EVs. The EQS seems therefore to be currently the top of efficiency. (Better range than even S plaid, so maybe Elon has to revive the S plaid plus project to beat it.)
Also charging seems to be top. From 6% to 80% in 32 min . Average ! charging rate 146 kW. Average, not peak !
Of course nobody tells exactly how bad this is for the duration of life of the battery.

Mercedes apparently adopted the 400V architecture, as opposed to 800V, to preserve battery life. They are offering a 10 year warranty on the battery whereas VAG group is offering 8. Not an insignificant difference.

 

[KiwiRob]

Also charging seems to be top. From 6% to 80% in 32 min . Average ! charging rate 146 kW. Average, not peak !
Of course nobody tells exactly how bad this is for the duration of life of the battery.

Most of the people I know who have BEV's charge them at home overnight, they only use public chargers when they are away from home. For the average owner I don't think they will use rapid chargers often enough to affect the battery life.