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Guys guys guys!!!!!

I need advice, I've a friend of mine selling a '98 E320 station wagon... I know this is Schremp's (non) finest example of (non) quality, but the price is really attractive. Woudl you buy it or steer clear?

Here some pics:

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Hmmm, not good... I'll have to think twice about purchasing GL. Inside out it's great, but this worries me a lot, i don't like it.

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The Mercedes-Benz GL is one of the top choices for US buyers looking for a seven-seater premium SUV, as it offers plenty of interior space, luxury appointments and towing capacity, and even a diesel engine option. However, as a recent test by Consumer Reports (CR) points out, it is by no means a perfect vehicle.

Sure, it may have all the electronic stability and traction enhancing systems, but with a total mass of 2,455 kg (5412 lbs) they just can't seem to cope in an emergency – or so CR claims.

In the video, the GL can't handle sudden direction changes and it understeers and runs wide. It fails to successfully complete the emergency avoidance maneuver at the usual speed, and the SUV can only be coaxed around the cones at a much lower speed than one would expect, according CR.

"That clumsiness is disconcerting to say the least and quickly saps a driver's confidence," said CR's test driver. "Even some big, lumbering heavy-duty pickups we've tested recently have done better in that test."

Consumer Reports says the issue occurs in part because of the hefty bulk and the intrusive stability program.

"Mercedes-Benz would be well advised to recalibrate the GL's stability control system or do whatever else it may take to rectify this otherwise wonderful SUV's performance. Until then, we won't recommend the GL," said Consumer Reports.
 
Guys guys guys!!!!!

I need advice, I've a friend of mine selling a '98 E320 station wagon... I know this is Schremp's (non) finest example of (non) quality, but the price is really attractive. Woudl you buy it or steer clear?

Here some pics:

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b52319ae5eaa932770ad8f7878f86802.webp

f225186dc04e052f2be4e805934bfc2e.webp

175c87d558d6b29ab60e1285bed81ae6.webp

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@Gianclaudio


I owned a W210 E320 for 14.5 years. Purchased brand new in 1998. Traded her in last November 2012.

Here's some of the good and bad. Hope this helps in your decision.

Good:
If you know a very good mechanic and you absolutely must have this car, then by all means get it.
Properly maintained, you will have a long lasting car that will probably hit 1 million kilometers and reliably start every day and take you wherever you go.

It has a very comfortable ride, very smooth, almost gives you a wafting feeling like you are on a much much more expensive vehicle (newer E-Classes are not as smooth even with similar tires).

For best ride comfort, make sure you have Michelins. The wheels in the pic look like the standard R16s so you are OK there. The sport model that came with 17s already had a tougher ride.

Feels like a vault. Feels heavy and every sense will tell you, you are in a tank.
It will most likely keep you out of trouble on slippery roads. Even if the system included is the precursor of the ESP, the ASR works just as advertised. It will add/remove power from each wheel independently and as needed and will save you from, i.e. (this from my own experience): a tire exploding while going at 80 mph in a highway, during rain, car began applying power and breaks to each wheel to slow down the rocket, warning lights flashing all over, keeping the car in control until able to pull to the side and call for help. With other cars from the 90s and many current vehicles without a proper system like this, you would most likely end up upside down, in the ditch, and hopefully unhurt.

Bad:
This car design will give you tons of unpleasant cross-winds shaking while driving at high speeds during windy weather. This is a design flaw in all W210s, not sure how that translates to the station wagon version though.
The V6 engine in the 320s have a slight hesitation when stepping on the gas pedal, even if the engine is already running hot. This can be a nuisance whenever you need the car during overtake. The torque is there, you just need to allow it to 'wake up' and respond.. but this is also not an issue actually, it is, to put it simply, a recurring Mercedes theme..

Also, get ready for multiple ongoing issues, some can be serious, some just minor nuisances, for example:

Leaks.
Transmission fluid leaks, fuel pump, brakes.
Air conditioning issues, leaks, fan, condenser replacement.
Window regulators, get ready to replace them (and they are not cheap).
Window regulators, did I mention these? Damn window regulators!
Sunroof mechanism may also stop working and will probably require motor replacement.
Sensor gnomes inhabit this car and love to give you false positive warnings at random.
Lights burn often and/or need to be re-adjusted since the car gnomes also love to jiggle them and give you faulty contacts.
Cup holder mechanism built in center compartment, although ingenious design, it may get stuck and/or break if you don't know how to properly eject it and/or fold it and place it back in the receptacle.
Never try to trickle charge the car battery while connected to the car. It will short the car's electric circuit. It clearly warns it in the manual. You must disconnect the battery from the car in order to re-charge it. this is the way for most, if not all Mercedes-Benz built during the 90s and early 2000s.
 
@Gianclaudio


I owned a W210 E320 for 14.5 years. Purchased brand new in 1998. Traded her in last November 2012.

Here's some of the good and bad. Hope this helps in your decision.

Good:
If you know a very good mechanic and you absolutely must have this car, then by all means get it.
Properly maintained, you will have a long lasting car that will probably hit 1 million kilometers and reliably start every day and take you wherever you go.

It has a very comfortable ride, very smooth, almost gives you a wafting feeling like you are on a much much more expensive vehicle (newer E-Classes are not as smooth even with similar tires).

For best ride comfort, make sure you have Michelins. The wheels in the pic look like the standard R16s so you are OK there. The sport model that came with 17s already had a tougher ride.

Feels like a vault. Feels heavy and every sense will tell you, you are in a tank.
It will most likely keep you out of trouble on slippery roads. Even if the system included is the precursor of the ESP, the ASR works just as advertised. It will add/remove power from each wheel independently and as needed and will save you from, i.e. (this from my own experience): a tire exploding while going at 80 mph in a highway, during rain, car began applying power and breaks to each wheel to slow down the rocket, warning lights flashing all over, keeping the car in control until able to pull to the side and call for help. With other cars from the 90s and many current vehicles without a proper system like this, you would most likely end up upside down, in the ditch, and hopefully unhurt.

Bad:
This car design will give you tons of unpleasant cross-winds shaking while driving at high speeds during windy weather. This is a design flaw in all W210s, not sure how that translates to the station wagon version though.
The V6 engine in the 320s have a slight hesitation when stepping on the gas pedal, even if the engine is already running hot. This can be a nuisance whenever you need the car during overtake. The torque is there, you just need to allow it to 'wake up' and respond.. but this is also not an issue actually, it is, to put it simply, a recurring Mercedes theme..

Also, get ready for multiple ongoing issues, some can be serious, some just minor nuisances, for example:

Leaks.
Transmission fluid leaks, fuel pump, brakes.
Air conditioning issues, leaks, fan, condenser replacement.
Window regulators, get ready to replace them (and they are not cheap).
Window regulators, did I mention these? Damn window regulators!
Sunroof mechanism may also stop working and will probably require motor replacement.
Sensor gnomes inhabit this car and love to give you false positive warnings at random.
Lights burn often and/or need to be re-adjusted since the car gnomes also love to jiggle them and give you faulty contacts.
Cup holder mechanism built in center compartment, although ingenious design, it may get stuck and/or break if you don't know how to properly eject it and/or fold it and place it back in the receptacle.
Never try to trickle charge the car battery while connected to the car. It will short the car's electric circuit. It clearly warns it in the manual. You must disconnect the battery from the car in order to re-charge it. this is the way for most, if not all Mercedes-Benz built during the 90s and early 2000s.

Sadly the rating system allows me just to pick one option, but it wanted to pick like, informative, winner, friendly, etc, etc.
THANK YOU so much, really. My friends, the owners, are coming over my place this weekend to have lunch, so I'll be checking the car personally. Also had the good luck to have a mechanic as my closest friend, so I asked him to inspect the car, too.

The things you mention to me are exactly what I'm searching: confortable ride, safe and acres of spaces... I do need every cubix inch possible, as I move cargo every day. No problem about the cupholders, the sunroof (I live in a S-U-N-N-Y city, I hate sunroof), the only concern could be the stability when windy, which is quite regular in here, but not going to drive fast, anyway.

Thanks again!
 
Hmmm, not good... I'll have to think twice about purchasing GL. Inside out it's great, but this worries me a lot, i don't like it.

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@PanterroR in 'Wheels' Car of the Year testing here the ML, while overall a great package, was crippled by some serious issues with the ESP tune, so I wouldn't be surprised if something is up with it on the GL as well. I'm sure Mercedes will implement a fix when they get wind of it. It will just be difficult to know when the fix actually takes place, as it's not something that would be publicised or listed in the usual MY updates I wouldn't think.
 
Agreed, it may take a while until a current owner reports it to MB and they implement and test a fix. In the meantime also remember MB offers an optional dynamic handling package on the GL and ML, code 468, which may alleviate the observed symptoms. It's standard on the AMGs. Ellen Lohr driving: (y)

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Mercedes Australia should have already reported the problem, because no doubt somebody there would have seen the test results. I'm sure someone at MBUSA would also be made aware of the Car and Driver test.
 
Hmmm, not good... I'll have to think twice about purchasing GL. Inside out it's great, but this worries me a lot, i don't like it.

That sounds horrible. I love the design and luxury and space of the new GL too, but if it drives bad (which I 100% believe given it's size, weight and being a Merc, I'd wait a while for the new X5 :sneaky:
 
That sounds horrible. I love the design and luxury and space of the new GL too, but if it drives bad (which I 100% believe given it's size, weight and being a Merc, I'd wait a while for the new X5 :sneaky:
Exactly, and I'm also wondering if this is related...

http://www.germancarforum.com/commu...p-grand-cherokee-chrysler-rebuts-claim.45407/

Since we all know they share the same DNA..

Also, the interiors of ML, GL and Grand Cherokee are almost identical! Good for Jeep, not so good for Mercedes...

BTW, the Jeep Grand Cherokee looks very nice!

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@Gianclaudio
Just FYI - should you get to test that car and its ride confort is not as soft as in 'butter or silky smooth' then most likely that car will need new motor and transmission mounts.
On mine they lasted about 10 years. Once replaced the car ride was just as smooth as when brand new.
 
@Gianclaudio
Just FYI - should you get to test that car and its ride confort is not as soft as in 'butter or silky smooth' then most likely that car will need new motor and transmission mounts.
On mine they lasted about 10 years. Once replaced the car ride was just as smooth as when brand new.

I coulnd't drive the car yet, will try to test it this friday. Thanks for all the info, you rock :)
 
It's Friday, March 15 today and this is what we learned this past week:

1. You need a PhD in Quantum Mechanics or Theoretical Physics to order an A-Class to your likings.
2. I should have bought a Rolls. Even their spare parts cost less than to maintain a Volvo.
3. Alfa Romeo showed everyone in Geneva, that you can take two steps forward by taking a step backwards. No assisted steering and you can turn off all electronics, including the ABS. The 4C is going to rock!
4. BMW is continuing their stupid tactics by having the 4er Coupe Concept in a back room, which is open to the public if you register interest, but you have to bloody guess that there's a back room.
5. The CAR magazine joined EVO's opinion, saying that the RS5 is amazing, until you decide to drive it.

:)
 
Oh, the joys of driving an old car. Today my starter motor decided not to work, probably because it's Wednesday. It only took a few hits with a small hammer to start working again, but only after it embarrassed me, as it was parked downtown. Yet, removing the starter motor, cleaning it, changing the coils and installing it again will only cost 20-25€. That's a serious joy!

:) :D
 
That's a serious joy indeed!

Repairing the frozen crankcase ventilation on my E46 cost me a dear 1000€. And now, two weeks later the bloody engine light goes flashing again. Joy is not BMW!
And to top it off, some idiot teenage girl decides to ram me!

Still, beats taking the train:LOL:
 
That's a serious joy indeed!

I got the old lady back today. Total cost was 20€ which covered the labour of removing, disassembling, cleaning, replacing the coils, reassembling and refitting of the starter motor, plus new coils.

At the repairshop there was a guy with a two years old E92, which had a steering column failure. I felt bad for the owner, who has to pay about 3000€ for it. When he heard the number, he nearly cried!

:D
 
Lucky Giannis.... my Nissan Sentra is becoming a money pit, just put over 1000 € on parts for a tune up: changed timing chain, a/c compressor bearing, two wheel's bearings and the door's bushings.

:(
 
Still don`t beleve in ghosts or spirits? try a ghost box session. Ooooh! (this is not a scary video, just words) this one call itself Paul. He likes to play with that flashlight. (keep your eyes on it.) I don`t believe ghosts are ppl who have died, but spirit-beings. Headphones are a must to hear this video.

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Hmmm, not good... I'll have to think twice about purchasing GL. Inside out it's great, but this worries me a lot, i don't like it.

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It's a sign, get the upcoming X5 Tycoon;)
 
Oh, the joys of driving an old car.

The joys of driving an old car, my ass :D

Yesterday I fried my warning lights switch. I left them on for a few hours (don't ask why) and the switch melted and short-circuited pretty much most lights. A new switch costs 38€ and will take about 20 days to come here from France.
 

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