Concept Porsche Mission X

[LaArtist]

Lovely, it has some utopia in it.

 

[Tourbillon]

I wonder if, with this new EV tech by Porsche, is there any room for an EV supercar above the 911?

Since the 911 won't become an EV until at last 2030, it might make sense.

The hybrids will take centre stage for now or to come. But as you've seen anything is possible.

 

[hoffmeister_fan]

If you were to remove the Porsche badges, it could be any type of car. With that being said, I love the clean sheet design. I hope it goes into production.

Before the windscreen, it lacks the some of the current Porsche IP. After that, it's nice modern homage to the 917, 956, and 962.

 

[Tourbillon]

Lovely, it has some utopia in it.

One of the first things I noticed and said!

 

[Porsche Guy]

Time attack events are not a great analogy. The main disadvantage for EVs is weight and lack of range, both of which are irrelevant in short sprint events like that which can be run with a small, light battery. Pikes Peak additionally is a special case that favors EVs because of the altitude. And even so, it's mostly the matter of which manufacturer can spend the most money to develop the right car. The ID.R is basically an LMP car with e-motors. Send the 919 Evo around Pikes Peak and it would probably go even faster.

As for the packaging, EVs do have some advantages in general, but if we are talking diffusers in particular, it's actually the ICE cars that have the advantage there. That's because a gearbox can be made a lot thinner than two e-motors side by side and probably even than one big one (if such an extreme case really decided things in road cars)

A lap around the Ring is 12.9 miles and the course at Pikes Peak is 12.4 miles.

And regarding packaging of e motors and a diffuser, you are making a lot of assumptions about motor count and layout.

 

[Ozy]

The front is nice and the front 3/4 view is Pagani Utopia like, which I like, but the rear part is very ugly IMHO, nothing Porsche like, the Carrera GT and 918 had beautiful rear ends, this one is nowhere near those.

 

[Bridster]

Not even close. Electric motors allow infineemally quicker/finer feedback and control compared to ICE.

What I was saying is that hybrid ICE cars can also have electric motors at the front! I.e. AMG One, SF90, Revuelto and lots of upcoming cars like the 720S successor.

 

[klier]

Lovely, it has some utopia in it.

I was thinking SP3

Either way, breathtaking.

 

[LaArtist]

Thing is there are 2 main reasons why it has utopia in it.

1 the doors it’s the same concept
2 HP was inspired by old racing Porsches when designing the utopia .

So rather the utopia has some Porsche in it.

PS
Did anyone see HP in the Porsche keynote? That was pure class

 

[drifter1]

7:23.187. I was expecting it to be a lot faster.

 

[dalab]

Cool concept, terrible name. Hope they give it a better name for production.

"Mission E" ended up being the Taycan, so it must just be the concept name...

 

[advantage20]

 

[kiki voinea]

Hmm. I have no problems with the design language or with how the car looks. However, it's a bit disappointing that Porsche are choosing to go full electric, while Ferrari and Mclaren are still doing a hybrid. I don't see at all how this car will be competitive with their hybrid offerings in anything other than straight line acceleration.

You'll get used to this. Just like people got used to drive cars instead of horses. Just like people used to drive automatic instead of manual .

Remember when people where "meh" regarding auto gearbox? Except purists , there is absolutely no reason to get an auto gearbox in 2023.

EV is the future

 

[Sunny]

What I was saying is that hybrid ICE cars can also have electric motors at the front! I.e. AMG One, SF90, Revuelto and lots of upcoming cars like the 720S successor.

Hybrids, my 2c - either the EV is a small fraction of the total available torque x time, while rest is still ICE, so the advantages of electric drive only applies to that small fraction. Or it is large fraction and you have more of the disadvantages of ev (weight/endurance) plus the tax of two powertrains. It is a really just a slider (plus a tax) - either the electric is small part and you have very little of the advantages/disadvantages of ev, or electric is a big part and you have both bigger advantage and disadvantages of ev, plus a tax of 2 power trains. There is really no free lunch.

Just look at all the PHEV sedans/SUVs coming now - AMG GT63S E, C63S, XM- they are all much heavier than the BEV competition and heavily compromised packages.

 

[dalab]

I like the A-pillar to the "view" in that tone, the rest is fine mheee...it didn't even move the forum needle when it should be quite an event

Porsche Mission X unveiled: new electric hypercar concept - pictures | Auto Express

Pictures of the Porsche Mission X

www.autoexpress.co.uk

 

[Gor134]

I like the A-pillar to the "view" in that tone, the rest is fine mheee...it didn't even move the forum needle when it should be quite an event

Overall public reception has been quite disapproving as well. Yes there is quite a few people raving a lot about the design, but a ton of people unhappy with the design and being a full EV as well, which is very uncommon for Porsche. I do agree with those people.. should've had a very awesome flat-6+PHEV combo to send off ICE Porsche, and a more sensual body like the 959/CGT/918.

 

[Sunny]

should've had a very awesome flat-6+PHEV combo to send off ICE Porsche, and a more sensual body like the 959/CGT/918.

Except for a flat 6 instead of that glorious V8, how will that be any different from 918? And there will be gazillion denominations of flat 6 + hybrid 911s in short. order.

If you are going to be stuck in the past, I rather have a resurrected CGT - pure NA + manual. None of the hybrid BS. Screw numbers, maximum emotion.

 

[Gor134]

Except for a flat 6 instead of that glorious V8, how will that be any different from 918? And there will be gazillion denominations of flat 6 + hybrid 911s in short. order.

If you are going to be stuck in the past, I rather have a resurrected CGT - pure NA + manual. None of the hybrid BS. Screw numbers, maximum emotion.

Does it need to be very different from a 918? It could explore further technologies such as in-wheel motors for the EV-side.

And yeah, a more pure manual and naturally aspirated hypercar would've been great too. Unfortunately, ESG score is all too important for these companies to make flagship cars like that.

 

[SKY]

Does it need to be very different from a 918? It could explore further technologies such as in-wheel motors for the EV-side.

And yeah, a more pure manual and naturally aspirated hypercar would've been great too. Unfortunately, ESG score is all too important for these companies to make flagship cars like that.

I believe it has to be very different. Basically due to the fact that Porsche’s aspiration as a brand is also way different.

When this car debuts, only the 911 and Panamera will have ICE variants among the line up. So it would be weird to launch an ICE hypercar when the aim of the brand is to be fully electric.

In fact, there were prototypes of 918 successors with an ICE powertrain. This Mission X comes this late as a result of the tech not being ready until 2027.

 

[Tourbillon]

The current car shown doesn't necessarily mean this is the final fixed aesthetic. The Aston Martin Valhalla is an example of how (radically? perhaps) a design can change.

Albeit 2027 is a fair time away they'll no doubt change things like the 2010 precursor to the 2013 Porsche 918, dates from memory, not much but enough.