Comparison tests Porsche 918 vs McLaren P1 vs LaFerrari

[Emu]

The ring-record holder 918 driven by Marc Lieb is just a prototype and even didn't reach a top speed of 300km/h at the end of straight. If you take a look at Sport auto super test video, you will easily find the final production 918 WSP seems to be a little bit quicker than the P1 in your video, at least not slower. P1's track mode reduce its acceleration capability, whereas 918 can switch to sport Hybrid mode to get better drag efficiency, so it's still hart to make a conclusion which one is faster on NB's long straight. Furthermore, I don't know where you get the proof as you said Chris Goodwin was 4s faster between the bridges alone.

918 WSP Sport auto super test: from 9:20 at the start point of long straight just out of corner to 9:46 across the second bridge.

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No, it's still a second slower even though that one was clearly with wind and against a non-pro P1 driver, hence why he's 2s slower 3:46 - 4:00 vs 1:50 - 2:02 than previous video at opposite end of track, nice try though. It's no wonder that one did 200mh in 25-26s - with the wind, not with wind - 29s, makes sense. But Autocar didn't stall the rear wing? No they just didn't test with the wind.

The crazy thing? Even with the wind, he isn't any faster than an amateur driver in the P1 from the exit of Schwalbenschwanz to the bridge... on PZCS... (41-42s each - not steps on right of track)... and in HL mode, which can't last the full lap. This is what happens with an ungeared front e-motor and HL mode on a long fast track.









So many excuses, it's a prototype, wrong mode... I've got one guy telling me it was in sport hybrid, hence why it was slow on that straight, and another telling me Autocar's 0-200mph run was slow because it wasn't in sport hybrid and had too much drag.

 

[Emu]

Emu a whole bunch of people have shown you various kinds of proof about the 918's acceleration at higher speeds to 200mph (AS video is one proof already shown by a lot of people including myself) including a whole lot of road tests which show it is capable of the same acceleration figures of 19sec to 300km/h and virtually the same acceleration as the P1 up to 180mph (Autocar road test) We are in no dispute about the disengagement of the front electric motor at 265kmh which is supposed to reduce the overall power from 887hp to 758hp, BUT this doesn't mean a thing when the proof of its acceleration has been shown of its capabilities at higher speeds. You can't seem to accept this reality that the 918 in almost all aspects of vehicle testing is a match for the P1 and they are virtually equal.

I've pointed out that in the AS video it's 2s slower over a flat-out section at the opposite side of track vs Marc Lieb. Hence, what we're seeing is an affect of wind. The very same thing came up when people compared the C6 Z06 lap to an R35 GTR lap many years back. The GTR looked faster than it should be until you looked at Schwedenkreuz.

The problem is that the head-to-head test was done under equal conditions with Autocar. Like I say I've got one guy telling me it was in sport hybrid, hence why it was slow on that straight with Marc Lieb, and another telling me Autocar's 0-200mph run was slow because it wasn't in sport hybrid and had too much drag. It was faster in other tests because it was probably with the wind and it's been shown that there was indeed a wind with Sport Auto. No non-German magazine has ever been able to verify similar speeds, whereas MT verified the P1's speed in the quarter. I see the 918's 19s 0-300kph and 23s 0-320kph claims in the same light as the LaFerrari's 15.0s 0-300kph claim. Somewhere between completely unproven and bullshit.

The problem with using the Autocar figures for 0-180mph is that there's just something obviously wrong with them when you compare them to this:

0.6s slower to 150mph for the P1 in the head to head but gets to 200mph in 23.29s. So 12.11s 100-200mph. In the MIRA test it gets to 190mph in 21.4s and takes 3.4s 180-190mph, so you're looking at 25+s for 0-200mph and >14.4s 100-200mph. The P1 also gets from 200-205mph in 2.1s in the head-to-head, which again suggests the MIRA 180-190mph time is wrong. MIRA was just a glitched test - note also, "mostly dry". Head-to-head, fair and square, 918 in HL mode, it lost by >6s 0-200mph. MT and C&D verified the P1 as 1s quicker 60-150mph and owners of both have verified it as 0.6s faster 60-130mph.

 

[Emu]

Plenty of delusional Mclaren fans round.

The ones claiming that the P1 did a 6.3x at the ring.
The ones claiming the P1 is faster on track than a GT3 car, as much as 6s at Catalunya apparently! Chris Goodwin has rather bizarrely also made this claim
The ones claiming that the P1 GTR will challenge Bellof's ring record even though McLaren themselves have admitted that the GTR is slower then their GT3 cars (6.30 ish in qualifying set up)
The one's claiming that P1's engine is as responsive as an F1 car - Chris Goodwin again!
The one's claiming that the fact that the 918 is nearly a second a lap quicker than the P1 at Laguna Seca proves that the P1 would win in a race!
The one's claiming that MSPC2s are a stickier tyre than the Trofeo R even though every car that has ever been tested with both sets of tyres has been quicker with the Trofeo's on, including off the rack Trofeo's vs the bespoke MSPC2s on the 991 gt3.

Oh and in case you missed it here's a "750hp" car doing 0-200mph in 23s

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The fact that 2 people rate this as a win shows how many delusional Porsche fans are around. 23s under what conditions? Downhill with a tailwind? Is the speedometer even accurate? I can't believe you even think a 750hp car weighing 1640kg can get to 200mph in 23s.

Look... cr4p0rz... Lamborghini Huracan faster than 918 0-300kph with only 600hp No Bull.

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You'd have to be delusional to think the 918 is faster at the Nordschleife given how slow it is in fast sections.

Actually they claimed it could be a second a lap faster than the 918's 1:30.97 at Laguna Seca and telemetry piecing together the best sector times showed it could be. The ideal lap was about 1s faster than what Randy managed in his first outing in the P1, which was itself faster than the 1:30.97 he managed in his first 918 outing... and in a customer car. The 918's ideal lap was only a few hundredths off its actual lap.

Standard tyres don't equal bespoke tyres. Treynor has already pointed out that telemetry busts this myth too. The 918 had higher mid-corner speeds and better 70-50mph braking.

A heavily restricted 12C GT3 weighing 1230kg with 493hp is already lapping the Nordschleife around Bellof's race lap record pace.

 

[Unotaz]

Like I say I've got one guy telling me it was in sport hybrid, hence why it was slow on that straight with Marc Lieb, and another telling me Autocar's 0-200mph run was slow because it wasn't in sport hybrid and had too much drag.

You obvious don't read people's replies to you carefully, so you just post crap whatever that suits your need. Let me go on the record and explain this to you one more time.

The 918 driven by Marc Lieb at the N-Ring was in the Hot Lap Mode most of the lap. When he arrived onto the straights, he dialed the mode into Sport Mode. Why? Well, someone came on the radio and told him to.....

So for the N-Ring record run, why was the 918 so much slower in the straight in Sport Mode? The answer is because Marc Lieb was in Hot Lap mode most of the lap, and the battery was depleted down to 15% before entering the straight away. Now, here is the key takeaway. The 918 in Hot Lap mode allows you deplete the battery down to 0%. In Sport/Race mode, it will allow you deplete the battery down to 20% reserve. So when Marc went from Hot Lap mode into Sport Mode at 15% battery reserve, the car relied on its engine power alone throughout the straightaway.

So going back to your retarded argument of how the P1 driven by the amateur racer is much faster on the straights, it means nothing. The AMS test had a much higher top speed achieved on the straightaway yet his lap time is 16 secs slower than Marc Lieb's record time. For the nth time, why?? Because the AMS driver was not pushing as hard as Marc everywhere else and consequently, didn't use as much battery. This is why the 918 in the AMS test was 32km/h faster down on the straightaway than Marc's 918 lap. So it doesn't matter what kind of other arguments that you have when it comes to the speed advantage the P1 has on the straightaway, it won't prove the P1 is faster at the N-Ring unless you have an actual lap time posted by Mclaren.

So let me summarize for you in the lap time battles between the 918 vs. P1:

Nurburgring
918 - 6:57s (record holder for production car on road tires)
P1 - No time published (Mclaren "claims" it lapped under 7mins)

Anglesey (Evo)
918 beat the P1 by 0.2s on the first time with no factory support.
P1 cried and cringed. Begged Evo to let them have a retest WITHOUT inviting Porsche to the redo. Lapped 1.4s faster on the optional Trofeo R tires.

MIRA (Autocar)
918 beat the P1 by 1.1s with 1 Porsche tech briefly touching the tire to check if the tires overheated. The P1 went to MIRA with full tech support.

Laguna Seca (Motor Trend)
918 beat the P1 by 0.8s. And this was done by a standard 918. You claim Laguna Seca is not a track suited to the P1 and its advanced aero. You claim P1 will win in a 10-15 lap race. And for the record, the 918 was never tested at Laguna Seca in Race mode (the equivalent to P1's setting), so there is no data that supports your argument that the P1 can beat the 918 in a 10-15lap race.

So before you start bringing other lap records that the P1 did (eg. Kyalami track), let me stop you right now. The 918 wasn't there, so there is no point bringing this up period. Just like there is no point for me to bring up the 918 lap record at Circuit Bugatti du Mans

 

[ajjers]

The fact that 2 people rate this as a win shows how many delusional Porsche fans are around. 23s under what conditions? Downhill with a tailwind? Is the speedometer even accurate? I can't believe you even think a 750hp car weighing 1640kg can get to 200mph in 23s.

Look... cr4p0rz... Lamborghini Huracan faster than 918 0-300kph with only 600hp No Bull.

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You'd have to be delusional to think the 918 is faster at the Nordschleife given how slow it is in fast sections.

Actually they claimed it could be a second a lap faster than the 918's 1:30.97 at Laguna Seca and telemetry piecing together the best sector times showed it could be. The ideal lap was about 1s faster than what Randy managed in his first outing in the P1, which was itself faster than the 1:30.97 he managed in his first 918 outing... and in a customer car. The 918's ideal lap was only a few hundredths off its actual lap.

Standard tyres don't equal bespoke tyres. Treynor has already pointed out that telemetry busts this myth too. The 918 had higher mid-corner speeds and better 70-50mph braking.

A heavily restricted 12C GT3 weighing 1230kg with 493hp is already lapping the Nordschleife around Bellof's race lap record pace.

EPIC FAIL
Er watch the videos again, 918 does 0-300kph in 18s, the Huracan does it in 21s!
The 918 takes 23s to 320kph and the Huracan does in 27s.

Well we've been waiting for Mclaren's world record Nurburgring lap video to be released for 18 months now and guess what we're still waiting. Delusional are the people who think it actually exists!

The 12c GT3 in qualifying trim is several seconds a lap slower than Bellof in race trim and over 20s slower then Bellof was in qualifying trim. Good luck to Mclaren closing that gap, especially as they have already stated that the GTR is slower round a track than the GT3 cars. I'd be impressed with Mclaren if they take the GTR to the ring and release a lap time, whatever it is. Would make up a little bit for the BS they pulled with the P1.

 

[Emu]

EPIC FAIL
Er watch the videos again, 918 does 0-300kph in 18s, the Huracan does it in 21s!

You sure about that?



Only 8s out.

The 918 takes 23s to 320kph and the Huracan does in 27s.

The 12c GT3 in qualifying trim is several seconds a lap slower than Bellof in race trim and over 20s slower then Bellof was in qualifying trim. Good luck to Mclaren closing that gap, especially as they have already stated that the GTR is slower round a track than the GT3 cars. I'd be impressed with Mclaren if they take the GTR to the ring and release a lap time, whatever it is. Would make up a little bit for the BS they pulled with the P1.

It also weighs 500kg more and has 150hp less than a 956.

 

[Emu]

You obvious don't read people's replies to you carefully, so you just post crap whatever that suits your need. Let me go on the record and explain this to you one more time.

The 918 driven by Marc Lieb at the N-Ring was in the Hot Lap Mode most of the lap. When he arrived onto the straights, he dialed the mode into Sport Mode. Why? Well, someone came on the radio and told him to.....

So for the N-Ring record run, why was the 918 so much slower in the straight in Sport Mode? The answer is because Marc Lieb was in Hot Lap mode most of the lap, and the battery was depleted down to 15% before entering the straight away. Now, here is the key takeaway. The 918 in Hot Lap mode allows you deplete the battery down to 0%. In Sport/Race mode, it will allow you deplete the battery down to 20% reserve. So when Marc went from Hot Lap mode into Sport Mode at 15% battery reserve, the car relied on its engine power alone throughout the straightaway.

So going back to your retarded argument of how the P1 driven by the amateur racer is much faster on the straights, it means nothing. The AMS test had a much higher top speed achieved on the straightaway yet his lap time is 16 secs slower than Marc Lieb's record time. For the nth time, why?? Because the AMS driver was not pushing as hard as Marc everywhere else and consequently, didn't use as much battery. This is why the 918 in the AMS test was 32km/h faster down on the straightaway than Marc's 918 lap. So it doesn't matter what kind of other arguments that you have when it comes to the speed advantage the P1 has on the straightaway, it won't prove the P1 is faster at the N-Ring unless you have an actual lap time posted by Mclaren.

So let me summarize for you in the lap time battles between the 918 vs. P1:

Nurburgring
918 - 6:57s (record holder for production car on road tires)
P1 - No time published (Mclaren "claims" it lapped under 7mins)

Anglesey (Evo)
918 beat the P1 by 0.2s on the first time with no factory support.
P1 cried and cringed. Begged Evo to let them have a retest WITHOUT inviting Porsche to the redo. Lapped 1.4s faster on the optional Trofeo R tires.

MIRA (Autocar)
918 beat the P1 by 1.1s with 1 Porsche tech briefly touching the tire to check if the tires overheated. The P1 went to MIRA with full tech support.

Laguna Seca (Motor Trend)
918 beat the P1 by 0.8s. And this was done by a standard 918. You claim Laguna Seca is not a track suited to the P1 and its advanced aero. You claim P1 will win in a 10-15 lap race. And for the record, the 918 was never tested at Laguna Seca in Race mode (the equivalent to P1's setting), so there is no data that supports your argument that the P1 can beat the 918 in a 10-15lap race.

So before you start bringing other lap records that the P1 did (eg. Kyalami track), let me stop you right now. The 918 wasn't there, so there is no point bringing this up period. Just like there is no point for me to bring up the 918 lap record at Circuit Bugatti du Mans

Oh how convenient. For most of the lap, nope, sorry, I had another Porsche fan boy... aka Apolo1/citylad telling me he wasn't in HL mode... and could have been faster if he was. HL mode doesn't even last 'most of the lap', it lasted just 1 lap (90s) on Laguna Seca.

At the end of the day it doesn't matter what mode he was in, he was in whatever mode he had to be in at that time subsequent to his record lap attempt. So really it just demonstrates what inevitably happens to the 918 vs P1 when HL mode runs out, as it invariably will. The result in unbridled annihilation.

Pathetic excuse, all about saving face. Comparing with what happens at the opposite side of the 'ring, it's clear that wind is the only difference between the Sport Auto lap and Marc Lieb lap. Why would someone tell him to dial the speed down on a record lap... some people will believe anything.

32kph difference? Cut the bull already, even a 2008 Nissan GTR isn't 32kph slower than the SA lap on Dottinger.

Anglesey - P1 won by 1.2s against 918 in HL mode.
Autocar - P1 lapped on a damp track.
Laguna Seca - Very slow track. Factory 918 beat customer P1 by 0.8s, with driver who'd never driven P1 before and had driven 918 twice before. P1 faster than his first Laguna Seca lap in 918. Ideal lap times equal on day. 918 slower after first lap when effectively in RH mode. P1 lapped within 0.3s of its best for 15 laps.
Nordschleife - Amateur driver pulls 4s on Mark Lieb between gantry and bridge on Dottinger.

 

[Unotaz]

Pathetic excuse, all about saving face. Comparing with what happens at the opposite side of the 'ring, it's clear that wind is the only difference between the Sport Auto lap and Marc Lieb lap. Why would someone tell him to dial the speed down on a record lap... some people will believe anything.

32kph difference? Cut the bull already, even a 2008 Nissan GTR isn't 32kph slower than the SA lap on Dottinger.

Anglesey - P1 won by 1.2s against 918 in HL mode.
Autocar - P1 lapped on a damp track.
Laguna Seca - Very slow track. Factory 918 beat customer P1 by 0.8s, with driver who'd never driven P1 before and had driven 918 twice before. P1 faster than his first Laguna Seca lap in 918. Ideal lap times equal on day. 918 slower after first lap when effectively in RH mode. P1 lapped within 0.3s of its best for 15 laps.
Nordschleife - Amateur driver pulls 4s on Mark Lieb between gantry and bridge on Dottinger.

LOL! Keep it coming EMU/Mycroft/LMFAO!

 

[Bucketslash11]

LOL! Keep it coming EMU/Mycroft/LMFAO!

he also goes under the name "sroser" on fastestlaps

 

[kingjr9000]

LOL! Keep it coming EMU/Mycroft/LMFAO!

Hey unotaz, how do you like the forum so far? Also what color is your 918?

 

[Unotaz]

Hey unotaz, how do you like the forum so far? Also what color is your 918?

I like the way the forum is set up, much easier to post replies than on the other forums. Honestly, I was just happy reading the posts but when I start reading EMU/MYCROFT/LMFAO's posts, it really hit a nerve and I can't stand the amount of BS he has posted up on various forums and I want to set the record straight. But then, as you can see, he doesn't answer your questions directly and starts deflecting his answers on other non-sense.

At the very least, I hoped my post was informative enough to the others who actually cared about learning the facts and the truth on these cars.

My car is going to be a Weissach car with Oryx White pearl exterior paint and Garnet Red leather/silver piping/black alcantara seat inserts. The next few months will be painfully slow to past by.....

 

[kingjr9000]

I like the way the forum is set up, much easier to post replies than on the other forums. Honestly, I was just happy reading the posts but when I start reading EMU/MYCROFT/LMFAO's posts, it really hit a nerve and I can't stand the amount of BS he has posted up on various forums and I want to set the record straight. But then, as you can see, he doesn't answer your questions directly and starts deflecting his answers on other non-sense.

At the very least, I hoped my post was informative enough to the others who actually cared about learning the facts and the truth on these cars.

My car is going to be a Weissach car with Oryx White pearl exterior paint and Garnet Red leather/silver piping/black alcantara seat inserts. The next few months will be painfully slow to past by.....

Nice specs. I also agree that the forum is easier to use compared to others and the people here seem pretty nice and are really funny.

 

[kingjr9000]

There are a few things that I've realized:

1. When tristatez originally said that the 918 beat the P1 by almost a second, Ben came on here and said that the information was false, he never said what bit wasn't. Then he went on mclife and basically said that it was true: the 918 beat the P1 by almost a second. But the only differences were that it didn't swap out multiple sets of tires (from what I can tell). Even if the telemetry data says how it won wasn't how tristatez said, in the end, it still won

2. When the P1 finally beat the 918 on trofeo's at angelesy (which is a shorter track than LS), they were excited. But when it first lost, they were saying how it was such a short track and it couldn't get the aero it needed to win and how the 4ws, 4wd, and extra torque helped the 918 win. Oh, I almost forgot, they also said that the MPSC2 tires are in the same tier as the trofeo's and are better than the PZC that the P1 originally used and lost with.

3. Now, when the 918 beat the P1 with trofeo's, the macboys are saying that it couldn't beat the 918 because the track isn't suited to it and the 918s MPSC2s tires are just as good as the trofeo's -- maybe even better (see#2).

 

[Unotaz]

There are a few things that I've realized:

1. When tristatez originally said that the 918 beat the P1 by almost a second, Ben came on here and said that the information was false, he never said what bit wasn't. Then he went on mclife and basically said that it was true: the 918 beat the P1 by almost a second. But the only differences were that it didn't swap out multiple sets of tires (from what I can tell). Even if the telemetry data says how it won wasn't how tristatez said, in the end, it still won

The P1 did use 2 sets of tires at the test, so technically, "multiple sets of tires" can be classified as true. The only thing to note here is that when the P1 swapped to the second set of Trofeo R tires, it couldn't improve on its previous lap time.

 

[Apolo1]

I like the way the forum is set up, much easier to post replies than on the other forums. Honestly, I was just happy reading the posts but when I start reading EMU/MYCROFT/LMFAO's posts, it really hit a nerve and I can't stand the amount of BS he has posted up on various forums and I want to set the record straight. But then, as you can see, he doesn't answer your questions directly and starts deflecting his answers on other non-sense.

At the very least, I hoped my post was informative enough to the others who actually cared about learning the facts and the truth on these cars.

My car is going to be a Weissach car with Oryx White pearl exterior paint and Garnet Red leather/silver piping/black alcantara seat inserts. The next few months will be painfully slow to past by.....

Thank you for clarifying the point about what mode was used in the ring time...

 

[Emu]

Oh, I almost forgot, they also said that the MPSC2 tires are in the same tier as the trofeo's and are better than the PZC that the P1 originally used and lost with.

That's because the Laguna Seca telemetry showed exactly that, in fact the MPSC2s were slightly better.

The P1 did use 2 sets of tires at the test, so technically, "multiple sets of tires" can be classified as true. The only thing to note here is that when the P1 swapped to the second set of Trofeo R tires, it couldn't improve on its previous lap time.

But also misrepresentative. The claim was that Trofeo Rs only lasted a lap before huge degradation, that was categorically proven false. It was also claimed that the 918 could maintain a higher lap pace for longer, also categorically false.

Thank you for clarifying the point about what mode was used in the ring time...

He said the exact opposite of you. You said HL mode wasn't used at all over on McLife and that the lap could therefore have been done faster, he said it was used everywhere except the final straight.

 

[Apolo1]

That's because the Laguna Seca telemetry showed exactly that, in fact the MPSC2s were slightly better.


But also misrepresentative. The claim was that Trofeo Rs only lasted a lap before huge degradation, that was categorically proven false. It was also claimed that the 918 could maintain a higher lap pace for longer, also categorically false.


He said the exact opposite of you. You said HL mode wasn't used at all over on McLife and that the lap could therefore have been done faster, he said it was used everywhere except the final straight.

The point was actually lost in translation, the main point being that the ring time was set in a pre optimised car....

 

[Bucketslash11]

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^worth watching

 

[Emu]

The point was actually lost in translation, the main point being that the ring time was set in a pre optimised car....

Oh we're back to that excuse now?

 

[Apolo1]

Oh we're back to that excuse now?

I am sure that we all recall pic for the P1 with a time-board showing 6:3x at the Ring? Then the" comedy show" it was just to inspire the marketing department?

Then renting the ring for 2 days with an helicopter to film, EVO to prepare an article on the record-time just to come back with "it was too dangerous"? You can't make it up!