Comparison tests Porsche 918 vs McLaren P1 vs LaFerrari
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I've just pointed out that an amateur driver in the P1, whilst being 6kph slower than Chris Goodwin on Dottinger Hohe, can still pull 4-5 Laguna Seca's worth of time difference on Marc Lieb between the bridges whilst lifting before the last bridge for traffic. Stuff that up your pipe and smoke it.
In fact he was a second faster than Marc Lieb even from the exit of the corner before the corner that leads onto Dottinger. Look for the steps at the right side of track at 0:02 and 6:54 respectively. And people don't think Chris Goodwin beat Marc Lieb.
In fact he was a second faster than Marc Lieb even from the exit of the corner before the corner that leads onto Dottinger. Look for the steps at the right side of track at 0:02 and 6:54 respectively. And people don't think Chris Goodwin beat Marc Lieb.
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Well, parody or not, that Äglgtest, was rather lame.Use this video for your propaganda, Fanboy...
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Emu you have to admit that looking at these videos, we can say that the 918 and P1 both can do the two bridges in the same time, so both cars are equal on speed. The difference will come in the drivers level and guts and will power to push the cars speed throughout the Rings hectic corners, bumps, camber changes and gradient differences. It certainly is a challenging track and looking at the speed with which the 918 sprints from corner to corner we have to give these racing drivers a strong Bells for having the balls to push these cars so hard.
No, it's still a second slower even though that one was clearly with wind and against a non-pro P1 driver, hence why he's 2s slower 3:46 - 4:00 vs 1:50 - 2:02 than previous video at opposite end of track, nice try though. It's no wonder that one did 200mh in 25-26s - with the wind, not with wind - 29s, makes sense. But Autocar didn't stall the rear wing? No they just didn't test with the wind.
The crazy thing? Even with the wind, he isn't any faster than an amateur driver in the P1 from the exit of Schwalbenschwanz to the bridge... on PZCS... (41-42s each)... and in HL mode, which can't last the full lap. This is what happens with an ungeared front e-motor and HL mode on a long fast track... granny's false teeth come out.
The crazy thing? Even with the wind, he isn't any faster than an amateur driver in the P1 from the exit of Schwalbenschwanz to the bridge... on PZCS... (41-42s each)
... and in HL mode, which can't last the full lap. This is what happens with an ungeared front e-motor and HL mode on a long fast track... granny's false teeth come out.
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Autocar did have the 918 in Hot Lap mode but the wing was in the race hybrid setting increasing drag significantly. The 918 is much quicker in a straight line above 150 in sport hybrid mode as demonstrated by the sport auto video.
You can't be sure the that the 3.9g is purely lateral g because you clearly don't know how to read.
Do your calculations. On a 30 degree bank how much of the 3.9g will be tangential to the road surface?
No, it's still a second slower even though that one was clearly with wind and against a non-pro P1 driver, hence why he's 2s slower 3:46 - 4:00 vs 1:50 -02 previous video at opposite end of track, nice try though. It's no wonder that one did 200mh in 25-26s - with the wind, not with wind - 29s, makes sense. But Autocar didn't stall the rear wing? No they just didn't test with the wind.
The crazy thing? Even with the wind, he isn't any faster than an amateur driver in the P1 from the exit of Schwalbenschwanz to the bridge... on PZCS... (41-42s each)
Autocar didn't know how to stall the rear wing at Bruntingthorpe and said as much in the video. They used the race hybrid setting which is clearly slower than sport hybrid in a straight line. At Bruntingthorpe the runs were done in one direction at MIRA they were done in both.
Stop lying.
No see above, Sport Auto tested it with the wind, hence why they were also 2-3s faster gantry to bridge on Dottinger but 2s slower between two points on opposite side of track.
Heh, I scan read it. The driver isn't strictly lateral themselves in the Karussell though if you know what I mean.
It's not that simple, you have to resolve forces in 2 perpendicular directions. Try and understand what I've written.
No I'm talking about the 0-333kph Sport Auto video where the 918 does 0-320kph in 23s in sport hybrid mode.
I've invited you to do your calculations but you know the result is going to challenge some of your other dubious premises so you're not interested in the answer. Oh well, carry on.
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So you're timing the two cars by youtube with the second counter below the video? Haha. Man, you really dug your own grave there. If the P1 really is so much faster than the 918, then why haven't they published the lap time? There is NO reason to not publish it if you're faster than the competition.
Again, I don't doubt that the P1 has the potential to be faster. I'm just certain that McLaren hasn't achieved a faster time yet, hence no lap time or video by McLaren.
The 918 has shown the P1 up multiple times which in my opinion was a surprise.
Again, I don't doubt that the P1 has the potential to be faster. I'm just certain that McLaren hasn't achieved a faster time yet, hence no lap time or video by McLaren.
The 918 has shown the P1 up multiple times which in my opinion was a surprise.
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@Emu maybe you should've looked this up before starting the argument
"A delusion is a belief held with strong conviction despite superior evidence to the contrary. As a pathology, it is distinct from a belief based on false or incomplete information, confabulation, dogma, illusion, or other effects of perception."
@Emu maybe you should've looked this up before starting the argument
"A delusion is a belief held with strong conviction despite superior evidence to the contrary. As a pathology, it is distinct from a belief based on false or incomplete information, confabulation, dogma, illusion, or other effects of perception."
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The AMS/AS test for the 918 was actually done in not favorable testing conditions the wind playing a negative factor in the acceleration to 300km/h.
AMS text- Die 200-km/h-Marke fällt so schon nach 7,4 Sekunden. Tempo 300 ist im ungünstigsten Fall nach nicht einmal 20 Sekunden erreicht. Bei günstig stehendem Wind ist diese Prüfung auch schon mal binnen 18 Sekunden erledigt.
English translation- The 200 km / h mark falls so already with 7.4 seconds. Tempo 300 is reached in the worst case, after less than 20 seconds. At low wind standing this test is also done before and within 18 seconds.
AMS text- Die 200-km/h-Marke fällt so schon nach 7,4 Sekunden. Tempo 300 ist im ungünstigsten Fall nach nicht einmal 20 Sekunden erreicht. Bei günstig stehendem Wind ist diese Prüfung auch schon mal binnen 18 Sekunden erledigt.
English translation- The 200 km / h mark falls so already with 7.4 seconds. Tempo 300 is reached in the worst case, after less than 20 seconds. At low wind standing this test is also done before and within 18 seconds.
And we've just looked at their 'ring lap, with evident wind down the main straight as compared to the opposite side of the track, (see above details) keep up! They obviously did the acceleration run in the same direction because that how le Germans play these games, hence why it's faster than the Autocar times. 750hp car weighing 1640kg get to 200mph in 23s, yeah right!
How come an amateur driver in the P1 was still 1s faster gantry to bridge than their Nordschleife lap, where this section was also with the wind, see above detail and compare with Marc Lieb's lap.
More likely the first time there was a wind behind them and the next time there was no wind.
Actually most McLaren fans aren't delusional, e.g. they accept that AWD will give a traction advantage. It's the Porsche fans who are delusional because they won't accept that a lack of some 150hp and an extra 140kg above 165mph won't affect acceleration and think it can yield a 23s 0-200mph time. That is delusional.
I'm not using hundredths here, I'm using whole seconds. It's not even close.
And we've just looked at their 'ring lap, with evident wind down the main straight as compared to the opposite side of the track, (see above details) keep up! They obviously did the acceleration run in the same direction because that how le Germans play these games, hence why it's faster than the Autocar times. 750hp car weighing 1640kg get to 200mph in 23s, yeah right!
How come an amateur driver in the P1 was still 1s faster gantry to bridge than their Nordschleife lap, where this section was also with the wind, see above detail and compare with Marc Lieb's lap.
That the 918 can do 0-200mph in 23s is indisputable. I've posted a video proving it. I don't think they get many hurricanes in Germany!
Plenty of delusional Mclaren fans round.
The ones claiming that the P1 did a 6.3x at the ring.
The ones claiming the P1 is faster on track than a GT3 car, as much as 6s at Catalunya apparently! Chris Goodwin has rather bizarrely also made this claim
The ones claiming that the P1 GTR will challenge Bellof's ring record even though McLaren themselves have admitted that the GTR is slower then their GT3 cars (6.30 ish in qualifying set up)
The one's claiming that P1's engine is as responsive as an F1 car - Chris Goodwin again!
The one's claiming that the fact that the 918 is nearly a second a lap quicker than the P1 at Laguna Seca proves that the P1 would win in a race!
The one's claiming that MSPC2s are a stickier tyre than the Trofeo R even though every car that has ever been tested with both sets of tyres has been quicker with the Trofeo's on, including off the rack Trofeo's vs the bespoke MSPC2s on the 991 gt3.
Oh and in case you missed it here's a "750hp" car doing 0-200mph in 23s
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Emu a whole bunch of people have shown you various kinds of proof about the 918's acceleration at higher speeds to 200mph (AS video is one proof already shown by a lot of people including myself) including a whole lot of road tests which show it is capable of the same acceleration figures of 19sec to 300km/h and virtually the same acceleration as the P1 up to 180mph (Autocar road test) We are in no dispute about the disengagement of the front electric motor at 265kmh which is supposed to reduce the overall power from 887hp to 758hp, BUT this doesn't mean a thing when the proof of its acceleration has been shown of its capabilities at higher speeds. You can't seem to accept this reality that the 918 in almost all aspects of vehicle testing is a match for the P1 and they are virtually equal.
The ring-record holder 918 driven by Marc Lieb is just a prototype and even didn't reach a top speed of 300km/h at the end of straight. If you take a look at Sport auto super test video, you will easily find the final production 918 WSP seems to be a little bit quicker than the P1 in your video, at least not slower. P1's track mode reduce its acceleration capability, whereas 918 can switch to sport Hybrid mode to get better drag efficiency, so it's still hart to make a conclusion which one is faster on NB's long straight. Furthermore, I don't know where you get the proof as you said Chris Goodwin was 4s faster between the bridges alone.
918 WSP Sport auto super test: from 9:20 at the start point of long straight just out of corner to 9:46 across the second bridge.
In your video, from 0:17 to 0:45
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