Comparison tests Porsche 918 vs McLaren P1 vs LaFerrari
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I'm not referring to that part of your post, see above. There's nothing to suggest a P1 can't do sub-7 minutes apart from conjecture by biased people. It would even be 'easy' on Trofeo Rs.
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Actually, the truth is the other way round: at this point in time there is no actual evidence or proof that the P1 can run the 'Ring in under 7 minutes.
Everything you say to "suggest" otherwise cannot be factually, measurably, demonstrably corroborated and thus amounts to conjecture.
The only thing that can change this is for McLaren to put their cock on a block and set a verifiable time in front of independent observation and then publish this as their official time.
Porsche has done this; McLaren has yet to do so. This is irrefutable.
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Guys, it's gonna be going down soon. Here's treynor's comment about a track battle at Laguna Seca between the P1 and 918:
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Only just watched this, can't believe i missed this thread. Great video though!
I did notice in the comment section of the video you mentioned that you invited Randy to give it a shot in your P1. I was just curious if he accepted, because that would be great to watch for sure. Adjusted tyre pressure, no traffic and sound limit and put Randy behind the wheel and i can't see the P1 not beating the 918's time.
Again great video!
Treynor: He did accept! Stay tuned
918, P1, and perhaps LaFerrari. Same day, same track, same driver, and tires supplied by TireRack to avoid any accusation of monkey business.
Yes. Each car will be on the most track-oriented tires offered by the factory.
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Only just watched this, can't believe i missed this thread. Great video though!
I did notice in the comment section of the video you mentioned that you invited Randy to give it a shot in your P1. I was just curious if he accepted, because that would be great to watch for sure. Adjusted tyre pressure, no traffic and sound limit and put Randy behind the wheel and i can't see the P1 not beating the 918's time.
Again great video!
Treynor: He did accept! Stay tuned
918, P1, and perhaps LaFerrari. Same day, same track, same driver, and tires supplied by TireRack to avoid any accusation of monkey business.
Yes. Each car will be on the most track-oriented tires offered by the factory.
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Auto sport got 7:13 in their Super Test and he had only a few good runs to get that time due to heavy traffic. In the right hands the car is definitely capable of sub 7min. If the GTR Nismo can get 7:08 and that car is much less powerful and slower than the 918, that 6:57 has to be legit.
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There was a P1 at Monza on the same day as the two Laferrari's (the grey P1 with red stripes that was seen at Fiorano and being driven by Horacio Pagani). Reports are that it didn't perform as well as hoped at Monza.
Citylad: To be fair it had elec issues, lap after lap, but the real interesting bit was, just how much more stable the lafa was on the high speed parts of the track , under braking......so much for this ultra aero eh......
There's an official statement, just as all we have from any manufacturer as to whether their car was standard is an official statement.
Same issue regarding unmodified status of cars used. Can't be proven factually or measurably or corroborated.
Same issue, it can't be proved that Porsche's test car was standard, in fact we know it wasn't, the only question is whether the mods affected the time. Hence the pointlessness of manufacturer tests. Sport Auto are a German magazine and having seen their test results I don't accept that definition of independent and not all modifications are visible.
The only thing beyond doubt is that there's a video of a P1 going round a 1 minute track 1.2s faster than a 918 did it in an independent test, both cars tested in dry conditions by the same driver. And individually both cars have set lap records that are several seconds faster than all other production cars. That is all we know for sure.
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There was a P1 at Monza on the same day as the two Laferrari's (the grey P1 with red stripes that was seen at Fiorano and being driven by Horacio Pagani). Reports are that it didn't perform as well as hoped at Monza.
Citylad: To be fair it had elec issues, lap after lap, but the real interesting bit was, just how much more stable the lafa was on the high speed parts of the track , under braking......so much for this ultra aero eh......
Pretty sure 7.04 is a Bridge to Gantry time which is only 19.1km and far shorter than the 20.6km that the 918 did in 6.57.
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Ah, so you are 'pretty sure' ? Really ? What is your experience, slot car racing ?
You can do 7.04 BTG in a 12C on Trofeos so what do you think a P1 can achieve ?
I'm just playing devil's advocate since everyone is doing it with the P1's sub-7 minutes. Heh, it amazes me that people can't look at Anglesey, a track full of hairpins and 2nd gear corners, and realise that a 1.2s win there, against an AWD car that's slower in a straight line, means that it you throw in the Nordschleife's faster sections and longer straights, a sub-7 minute lap on Trofeos would not only be possible but inevitable.
Or do people think the P1 is as slow as a GTR Nismo now, even on Trofeos?
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You keep going on about it been 1.2sec faster but that was only after they changed the tyres to Trofeo R's. The 918 was on standard tyres which everyone says are not as hardcore as Trofeo R's. If the 918 had a tyre change to Trofeo R's what do you think the outcome will be? Probably at least on par with the P1 I would think.
Everyone knows that PZCS is not as hardcore as Cup 2s. The jury is out on Trofeos. They may be faster than Cup 2s but not a whole lot faster. Cup 2 vs Trofeo is certainly a whole shed-load fairer than Cup 2 vs PZCS. It's amazing that the P1 even got close on PZCS. And achieving that 1.2s was easy, they did it on lap 2, a far from perfect lap. All this on a short course that favours the 918.
In this particular case the tyre debate is a strawman. Better tyre or not it was 1.2s faster and therefore it lends credit to a sub-7 minute 'ring lap claim, unless the 918 was on different tyres.
correct, the P1 was like a kangaroo lap after lap, but the big point was on the fast parts of the track the P1 was all over the place when braking from speed........all fact, this ultra aero claim is just BS, , not the 1t time this has happened either...
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There was a P1 at Monza on the same day as the two Laferrari's (the grey P1 with red stripes that was seen at Fiorano and being driven by Horacio Pagani). Reports are that it didn't perform as well as hoped at Monza.
Citylad: To be fair it had elec issues, lap after lap, but the real interesting bit was, just how much more stable the lafa was on the high speed parts of the track , under braking......so much for this ultra aero eh......
stop telling untruths he does not own a p1ajjers:
Pretty sure 7.04 is a Bridge to Gantry time which is only 19.1km and far shorter than the 20.6km that the 918 did in 6.57.
P1 and 12C owner:
Ah, so you are 'pretty sure' ? Really ? What is your experience, slot car racing ?
You can do 7.04 BTG in a 12C on Trofeos so what do you think a P1 can achieve ?
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Rubbish!
It's nevertheless a customer lapping BTG in 7:04 on Trofeos, probably through traffic.
blk, with blk leather, weiss pk, with a one off triple acid green leather, like on the 959sI knew you were city.What color is your 918?
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