86 [Official] Toyota GT 86


The Toyota 86 and the Subaru BRZ are 2+2 sports cars jointly developed by Toyota and Subaru, manufactured at Subaru's Gunma assembly plant. For the first-generation model, Toyota marketed the sports car as the 86 in Asia, Australia, North America (from August 2016), South Africa, and South America; as the Toyota GT86 in Europe; as the 86 and GT86 in New Zealand; as the Toyota FT86 in Brunei, Nicaragua and Jamaica and as the Scion FR-S (2012–2016) in the United States and Canada.
This is my next car. Well I am getting the Subaru with STI and SPT parts. A Mazda has even less power but is alot of fun. Of course more power is always welcome. The Rnault Clio RS is also a very nice car with its 201 PS and 213 Nm NA I4 is very fun. But it is FWD and not RWD. I do not say everybody should like this car in any way, but true car enthusiast will understand the main purpose of this car.

If this works, acording to the rumours, Toyota will bring back to life the Supra with turbo engine and rear-wheel drive.
 
Sorry... Not my cup of tea. To weak angine, very cheap interior. A huge disapointment for me.
So you have driven it, then?

Not much lighter than a 4wd TT then, but less power.
Ah, yes. The 4wd TT. That paragon of balance and the first choice of sporting enthusiast drivers. Less power, but its power/wt is higher than the TT's, isn't it?

Looks like a lot of people are already benchracing this car into the Loser class on the basis of on-paper stats. It's borderline ridiculous how some have written off this car without either
A) understanding Toyota/Subaru's intent with this car, and
B) having driven it themselves.

Cue the on-paper stat-racing by the Autocar forum crowd following this review:
Autocar said:
Toyota GT 86 2.0 (final spec) First Drive
Test date 28 October 2011
Price as tested £28,000

What is it?
This is the GT 86, formerly known as the FT-86, and created to lure young, fun-loving drivers back to a Toyota brand that has become dominated by big-selling but ultimately bland models.

The front-engined, rear-drive 2+2 has been created in a close collaboration with Subaru, in which Toyota owns a 16.5 per cent share, and will spawn three mechanically identical but differently styled cars: the GT 86, the Subaru BRZ and, for the American market, the Scion FR-S.

All three will be powered by the same 197bhp, 151lb ft flat four engine. Based on the Subaru FB20 block but fitted with a Toyota-designed head, the 2.0-litre engine has been reworked with a shorter stroke and wider bores, allowing it to rev higher. Maximum power arrives at 7000rpm, while peak torque is at 6600rpm.

In total, 91 per cent of parts are bespoke to the GT 86 or its counterparts. Current estimates suggest it will cost from £28,000, a significantly higher amount than originally speculated, but still a relative bargain should it deliver on its promised fun.

What’s it like?
At this juncture it’s worth noting that our drive was conducted at a test track in Japan, where the silky smooth surface made any conclusions about the ride impossible to gauge accurately. Also, this is a pre-production car, set up to almost launch spec save for the fitment of details such as the audio system.

Sliding into the GT 86’s bucket seats – which are snug, grippy and positioned at a perfect, low-slung height – sets the tone. With all the controls close to hand, the cockpit is as cosseting as a Porsche’s, albeit not trimmed to the same standard.

At idle, the engine note is fairly subdued, but take it up to the 7500rpm redline and it sounds growly. However, this car is all about the corners. Its relatively low power means it’s no sprint champion, and the 0-62mph time is estimated at a modest 7.0sec.

But the key facets of an 1180kg kerb weight, rear-wheel drive, ESP that can be fully turned off, quick steering and a limited-slip differential make it a riot in the twisty stuff. Also, the tyres are the same 17in low-resistance versions as can be found on a Prius, all the better to make sure their grip can be overcome if the mood takes you.

Turn in to a corner and there is some roll, but it’s well contained. On a constant throttle and steady steering, it understeers slightly, but lift mid-corner or trail the brakes – or just throw it in – and it’ll either straighten its line or flick to oversteer as you choose.

Furthermore, it never catches you out when it does start to slide because the steering is so nicely weighted and the chassis so responsive that they telegraph exactly what’s happening at all times.

There are disappointments, but they are minor. The six-speed manual gearbox is a touch notchy, while the optional six-speed automatic changes smoothly and quickly but lacks the sharpness of its dual-clutch rivals. When it’s on, the stability control system also intervenes too harshly.

Should I buy one?
Despite this, at its best, the driving experience is a match for the likes of a Porsche Cayman, and accolades don’t come much higher than that. That it can’t reach those heights across as broad a range of conditions as the German-built car shouldn’t detract from its overall success, because the fact that it can even get close is a minor miracle.

Hidemitsu Hoshiga

Toyota GT 86
Price: £28,000 (est); Top speed: 143mph (est); 0-62mph: 7.0sec (est); Economy: 40.9mpg (est, combined); CO2: 160g/km (est); Kerb weight: 1180kg; Engine: 4 cyls horizontally opposed, 1998cc, petrol; Installation: Front, longitudinal, RWD; Power: 197bhp at 7000rpm; Torque: 151lb ft at 6600rpm; Gearbox: 6-spd manual; Length: 4240mm; Height: 1285mm; Wheelbase: 2570mm; Wheels: 7Jx17in; Tyres: 215/45 R17.
Toyota GT 86 - Road Test First Drive - Autocar.co.uk
 
I dig how both Subaru and Toyota acknowledge each other and their collaborative effort on the engine cover. It's one of those "Aw, shucks" moments.

Not much lighter than a 4wd TT then, but less power.

What toyota need to do is make a serious sports car with the lexus LFA engine

I didn't realize a quattro TT was about 3100 lbs. Not bad. But the weight distribution is 60:40, pretty abysmal for a "performance" car.

Regarding making a sports car with the LFA engine....as B773ER has said, it's called the LFA. Keep in mind, just the LFA engine is about $90,000.

apart from the toyota badge.....

Yes, because the Toyota badge is that terrible.
/sarcasm.

Since you brought up the TT, let's keep in mind that it's based on a V-Dub Golf. Now the TT is a nice car with a pretty trick Bauhaus-inspired design, but let's not kid ourselves that it's one of those VW's with 4-ring emblems slapped on to it. Again, nothing wrong with taking advantage of economies of scale, but let's not kid ourselves.

The Toyota/Subaru makes zero intentions of being a luxury car filled with frills, unlike a TT, it's a very roots-oriented sports car for the sake of driving fun.

without the stupid gadgets, crappy styling, and obscene price tag, engineered for the mass market

Styling is subjective, I'll give you that. But, pray-tell, what stupid superfluous gadgets does the LFA have?

Many well-respected auto journalists/enthusiasts who have spent their personal and professional time behind the wheels of so many cars that many of us can only dream of driving, yet many say it's one of the most focused driver's car. Yeah, the price is rather stratospheric, but many upon many say it's rather justified.

Sorry, Poverty, don't mean to single you out, but I can't help feeling you're a tad bit biased, all because of a little ol' badge. ;)
 
Wow... this thing is quite the disappointment. The design is way too flashy and looks like it will age rapidly. Then there's that engine... someone stick a turbo or two in it quick! 2011 and only 205Nm from a 2.0 liter N-A engine? Didn't the VAG 2.0 FSI put out something like 200Nm back in 2005? Haven't we progressed at all in 6 years?
 
Wow... this thing is quite the disappointment. The design is way too flashy and looks like it will age rapidly. Then there's that engine... someone stick a turbo or two in it quick! 2011 and only 205Nm from a 2.0 liter N-A engine? Didn't the VAG 2.0 FSI put out something like 200Nm back in 2005? Haven't we progressed at all in 6 years?

No worries, very few of these cars will have the OEM bumpers, skirts, lights or wing for more than a week or two. The same MO goes for the engine. :D
 
Let anybody tell what car in the market today has a + 200 PS NA 2.0l 4 cylinders? I can only think of the Renault Clio RS and the Honda Civic R-Type. The S2000 is no more in the market. I knew the Turbo would kill the Screamer. One thing that makes me glad, is that the Turbo will never ever sound like a Screamer, and the sound is important: Lexus LF-A, Ferrari 458 Italia, Lamborghini Aventador, BMW M3 CSL, Mercedes C AMG BS.
 
If only they had left the back (by far the weakest part of the car's design) unchanged like the concept
 

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Yeah, the rear isn't fun. Reminds me of the only weak spot of the Subaru STI.
 
If only they had left the back (by far the weakest part of the car's design) unchanged like the concept

Of all the concepts they've released, I still prefer the first effort versus whatever came after. And I, too, agree the rear is unresolved and immature Also the 1st concept had some interesting lines on the front fenders.

Yeah, the rear isn't fun. Reminds me of the only weak spot of the Subaru STI.

I think the rear of the Subester is pretty solid.

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Take away the rally wing, and put a more discrete spoiler, and you have a well-resolve rear end. Again, IMO, of course. :D
 
For me also, the first concept was my favorite.

Deckhook: This car is meant to be affordable, it is not a german premium daiy driver. I don't car about the quality. Anyway with a year or two I'll strip it down.
 
TTAC Gets Its Hands On The FT86. And Its Chief Engineer

:usa7uh:


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Today was the day Toyota’s FT86 was officially revealed. Actually, it will be officially revealed at the Tokyo Motor Show, which will open its doors to the public on December 3. Today, the international media had a sneak preview of the car. Us, and maybe 20,000 people who lined the galleries of the Fuji Raceway where Toyota and Gazoo Racing held its TGRF (Toyota Gazoo Racing Festival). The masses could witness from afar as Akio Toyoda climbed out of an orange sports car, removed his helmet and waved at the adoring crowds.

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The press corps had a chance to drive the car. That opportunity that was immediately turned into hoonery by a rough and tumble contingent from Australia. One of them drove the car with so much enthusiasm that it spun out , did a few twirls and had a near-miss with an Australian cohort. We immediately had proof that the car provided only the barest necessities in computer control, and that one has to know how to drive, unless a rendition of Swan Lake is desired.

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Before we get to that, the essentials. The name of the car had been the target of endless speculation. Until yesterday evening, Toyota steadfastly referred to the car as nothing else than a “compact real-wheel-drive sports car.”

Some at TTAC had recommended that the car should get a Japanese name. Toyota listens to its customers and complied.

The car will be called “Hachiroku.”

This is Japanese and means 86.

Yes, Toyota simply dropped the “FT”. It also wants to carry on the spirit of the AE86 of lore.

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For me, the most interesting part of today was to sit in a quiet room with Tetsuya Tada, and a handpicked group of journalists. (The man on the right is Hans Greimel of Automotive News.) We could listen to Tada’s comments about the car. We had talked before, in August, but this time, the Chief Engineer of the 86 could be less circumspect and was able to talk openly. He sure did. For starters, I learn that Toyota’s test drivers had given him a very hard time:

“Mr. Toyoda almost continuously participated in the development of this car. Not as President, but as a test driver. Usually, when they say that the president of a company is test driving a prototype car, then it is mostly ceremonial. Mr. Toyoda’s participation was not simply ceremonial. He was a serious test driver and had some pretty tough comments. In some phases of the development. he said: “If that is the best you can do, why not quit now.” One by one, we overcame these problems.”

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In the grand scheme of things, Akio Toyoda had been polite. Stronger words came from Hiromu Naruse, Toyota’s chief test driver who found an untimely death by crashing his LFA into a BMW 3series on a rural highway close to the Nürburgring. Tada remembers:

“When Naruse-san was still alive, he participated in the tests many time and gave us some quite harsh comments, like: ‘This is a miserable car. You are doing very poorly.’

We tested this car at the Nürburgring. Naruse-san died very close to the Nürburgring, and each time we testdrove the car later, we made sure to pass by the memorial of Naruse-san. We tried to keep Naruse-san’s spirit alive.”


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One by one, the challenges thrown up by the test drivers were met. But there were other people, Tada had to contend with.

“We visited with car enthusiasts in Japan, America and Europe. The feedback we received was almost always the same. They said there are a lot of sports cars with high horsepower that are very fast, but these are not the sports cars that they want to have. They want small compact cars that are controllable, that they can tune themselves. However, that kind of sports car is not on the market. Therefore, these sports car enthusiasts are forced to continue to use older cars from a long time ago, because there is no new alterative on the market.”

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Their requirements clashed with another group: Toyota’s board. The board wanted a car that goes faster than other cars. Tada’s colleagues at other car companies had to contend with the same problem:

“We also went to competitors and asked them: “Why do you focus on fast cars?” The response almost always was: ‘Actually, we really don’t want to develop these kinds of cars. But once we bring a plan to develop that car to our board, the first question the directors of the company would ask is: How much faster is that car compared to what the competition has? How many seconds faster around the Nürburgring? What about the acceleration? These questions always come up because numerical performance is the easiest to understand.

Now how did we get the permission from our board? The only reason was that among the directors, there was a person called Akio Toyoda, who is a car enthusiast himself.”


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Tada not only had to convince a board that was fixated on numbers. He also had to do something highly risqué: Ditch the Toyota Way of developing cars:

“There is a Toyota standard for designing new cars. This standard was to a large extent ignored. Why did we do this? There are cars that are accepted by a lot of people. Practical cars that are easy to drive and that do not break easily. These are standard Toyota cars. The 86 is not a car like that. We had to change our design approach for this car. We may have to do this again for other cars.

It is impossible to develop a sports car that appeals to everybody. If you try to please everybody, the car would be half-baked for everybody, and not particularly good for anybody. This car is not developed by a committee, or by consensus.”


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And would you believe that even Toyota’s advertising department did not like the car?

“When we first presented this idea to our advertising people, they were drastically opposed to this idea. They complained that the car doesn’t have a particularly fast time on the circuit, it does not use any new technology. They also could not think of a catchy headline for the catalogue.”

Someone should have a chat with that advertising department.

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The word of mouth enthusiasm for this car is so strong, maybe it doesn’t need any advertising. Thousands of grassroots racers around the world are looking forward to a car they can tinker with. Tada built it for them:

“To make the car customizable, we did away with computers to the highest extent possible. A lot of the cars on the market today are controlled by computers. People have the feeling that they are driven by the car instead of them driving the car. That makes for a boring experience. That is why we decided to go back to the basics of car making. With the low center of gravity, the driver now is in personal touch with the road again.”

How much will this car cost? This remains a state secret. All Toyota says is that it will be “affordably priced.” Asked what that means, Tada launches into a dangerous discourse, with his press handlers getting visibly nervous:

“30 to 40 years ago, there was an AE86, and the price of this car was 1.5 million yen. At the time, that was the starting salary was for a university graduate. We kept that in mind when we priced the car. In the meantime, there has been a rise in prices, and the starting salaries rose also.”

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The starting salary of a university graduate in Japan is around 2.5 million yen. In today’s undervalued dollars, this would be around $32,000. We will have to wait until early 2012 when the car is officially released. There will be no pricing announcement at the Auto Show.

All the specs that are available can be downloaded here.

Ah, the test-drive.

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I drove the same 86 the Aussie hoons pirouetted through a sharp turn. All I did was make the tires chirp. At a test drive, I like to return the car as I found it. It drove very nicely. It does not press you into the bucket seat with jet fighter g-forces. I am told it will do 230 km/h (143 mph) and will go 0-100 km/h (0-62 mph) in 6 seconds.

Would I buy it?

Yes.

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Agreed. I have seen the LFA in real life at two different occassions and it has huge presence and draws more crowds than most of the other exotics. It looks absolutely stunning in real life especially in red and metallic blue.

Styling is subjective, I'll give you that. But, pray-tell, what stupid superfluous gadgets does the LFA have?

Many well-respected auto journalists/enthusiasts who have spent their personal and professional time behind the wheels of so many cars that many of us can only dream of driving, yet many say it's one of the most focused driver's car. Yeah, the price is rather stratospheric, but many upon many say it's rather justified.

Sorry, Poverty, don't mean to single you out, but I can't help feeling you're a tad bit biased, all because of a little ol' badge. ;)
 

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