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This review nails what the AMG GT is now about.
I can't wait to test drive one now.
I can't wait to test drive one now.
GT (C192) [Official] The all-new Mercedes-AMG GT Coupé
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The Mercedes-AMG GT (C192) is the second generation 2-door sports cars produced by Mercedes-AMG. Production: 2023- Model years: 2024-
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A classic example of "Don't choose between two £180,000 cars. Just be rich and own both.". Like Andrew Tate would say. Choosing is for brokies.
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The most "apples-to-apples" comparison. Great one !
But the interiors of both cars would have been so much better if they were any other color than black....
But the interiors of both cars would have been so much better if they were any other color than black....
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After driving the GT, I will confirm there is a massive difference in the driving characteristics of the AMG GT and 911. And a lot is to do with the fundamental engineering differences, but also deliberate product positioning IMO.
The GT is undoubtedly more focused than an SL, but it is a GT Coupe and not a pure sports car. At least not in current guises.
In any case I doubt the AMG GT will match the purity of the 911 and thus probably makes more sense in 55 and 63 guises. To turn even a BS into some sort of 911 competitor will require massive weight loss or some witchcraft suspension tuning. Its far removed from being the pure focused sports car it was.
So while it looks more in line with the 911 now, it's actually further apart to the 911 than the previous GT in terms of pure sports appeal.
That said, I actually think there is a larger market for the new GT compared to the old, and AMG should shift these in reasonable numbers provided the pricing is right. Its a fantastic blend of refinement with blistering performance, a splendid sound track, cat walk looks with massively improved practicality and the full gamut of Mercedes luxury and tech know how.
They've got the pricing for the Australian market spot on IMO. It's about $50k less than a comparably equipped 911 GTS or $120k less than a comparable turbo. At least $120k less than a Vantage and $200k less than a DB12 and its priced line ball with an M8 Coupe. DEEP discounts can be had on the BMW but subsequently the resale values of high end BMWs are abysmal.
The GT is undoubtedly more focused than an SL, but it is a GT Coupe and not a pure sports car. At least not in current guises.
In any case I doubt the AMG GT will match the purity of the 911 and thus probably makes more sense in 55 and 63 guises. To turn even a BS into some sort of 911 competitor will require massive weight loss or some witchcraft suspension tuning. Its far removed from being the pure focused sports car it was.
So while it looks more in line with the 911 now, it's actually further apart to the 911 than the previous GT in terms of pure sports appeal.
That said, I actually think there is a larger market for the new GT compared to the old, and AMG should shift these in reasonable numbers provided the pricing is right. Its a fantastic blend of refinement with blistering performance, a splendid sound track, cat walk looks with massively improved practicality and the full gamut of Mercedes luxury and tech know how.
They've got the pricing for the Australian market spot on IMO. It's about $50k less than a comparably equipped 911 GTS or $120k less than a comparable turbo. At least $120k less than a Vantage and $200k less than a DB12 and its priced line ball with an M8 Coupe. DEEP discounts can be had on the BMW but subsequently the resale values of high end BMWs are abysmal.
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Ideally I would love to daily an AMG GT and have a 911 GT3 for the weekends. As that's not going to happen, I just can't see myself giving up the 911 GTS. Its too special to sell in the current market, especially since its the last pure ICE GTS. And while it's not the luxury, tech laden car the AMG is, I enjoy every moment driving it and it never jars me.
The AMG GT can deliver just as much fun in a very different way.
The 911 is about the screaming 6, the playfulness of the suspension, the precision and feedback of the steering, the very obvious weight distribution and dynamic implications etc. Its an engaging experience and the more your wring it the wilder it gets.
The AMG V8 is glorious in its power delivery and soundtrack. Its more pronounced in the GT than the SL and almost every throttle input delivers a smile. Its ridiculously refined for what it is and the suspension tech, 4WS etc all come together to deliver rapid pace and make you look far more competent than you do in the 911. Its not blunt in its inputs though. The steering is sharp but bereft of feel compared to the 911 and you can clearly appreciate all the tech adjusting to deliver either a more aloof feel at low speeds or tighter control at higher speeds. It also tracks truer on freeways making it the better long distance proposition than the GTS.
They are both fantastic cars. If the AMG GT takes a hiding in resales, maybe I'll look at it again in 12 months.
But I think I want to actually hold on to the 911 long term, which is very unusual for me. Like an S, I really feel the 911 is special and a car to experience at some stage in life if the opportunity arises.
The AMG GT can deliver just as much fun in a very different way.
The 911 is about the screaming 6, the playfulness of the suspension, the precision and feedback of the steering, the very obvious weight distribution and dynamic implications etc. Its an engaging experience and the more your wring it the wilder it gets.
The AMG V8 is glorious in its power delivery and soundtrack. Its more pronounced in the GT than the SL and almost every throttle input delivers a smile. Its ridiculously refined for what it is and the suspension tech, 4WS etc all come together to deliver rapid pace and make you look far more competent than you do in the 911. Its not blunt in its inputs though. The steering is sharp but bereft of feel compared to the 911 and you can clearly appreciate all the tech adjusting to deliver either a more aloof feel at low speeds or tighter control at higher speeds. It also tracks truer on freeways making it the better long distance proposition than the GTS.
They are both fantastic cars. If the AMG GT takes a hiding in resales, maybe I'll look at it again in 12 months.
But I think I want to actually hold on to the 911 long term, which is very unusual for me. Like an S, I really feel the 911 is special and a car to experience at some stage in life if the opportunity arises.
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The Merc interior is a far plusher experience and you would need to spend some big bucks on extended leather trims to get the Porsche to match it.
The seating position in the Porsche is absolutely spot on, but the instrument legibility is poor.
You sit higher in the GT, though somehow it felt lower than the SL, and its ergonomically top notch. The seats are beautifully comfortable and the interior tech experience is on another level to the Porsche.
Both have very solid builds. The Porsche perhaps feels a degree more solid but the Mercedes is the more luxurious tactile experience in surface finishes and padding. The Porsche would be out of its depth without the optional Race Tech or extended leather upgrades.
They both offer s great sense of occasion, just different occasions.
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I would normally agree. But I believe both of these have enough happening in terms of materials and stitching to make the black an attractive choice. Not the best, but better than plain black plastic.
The upgraded Race Tex or extended leather interior package to get leather on the dash and doors is an absolute must on the Porsche.
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Except that Porsche's interior is in a pretty shitty condition.
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Big reason why not many people cross shop 911 vs GT is that with 911 residuals are strong, with GT you must be willing to accept much lower residual after 1-2 years
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Actually mate, Its not in pretty shitty condition. I have two kids and use this car as a daily and have been travelling. However other than neeing a vacuum, dust and wipe down my interior is in immaculate condition.
Race tex is particularly difficult to photograph well and the lighting plays a big part. That interior is after almost 5 weeks without any attention. I jumped out and took the photos.
Your arrogance is disdainful and im not just talking about your comment about the 911, the purpose of which is entirely transparent.
I care not to see your response either, as I'm sure it will be long winded, full of 'clever' little observations, twisting of words and obvious attempts to sound intelligent and authoritive in what you say.
Enjoy the forum mate. I hope blocking you works both ways.
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New Mercedes-AMG GT3 Set for 2027 Customer Debut
Successor to current Mercedes-AMG GT3 set to begin on-track testing this year…
Mercedes-AMG’s all-new GT3 car is slated to begin on-track testing this year according to the brand’s head of customer racing Stefan Wendl, who ruled out a full customer rollout until 2027 “at the earliest.”
The German manufacturer’s new subsidiary Affalterbach Racing GmbH has been charged with developing the successor to the current Mercedes-AMG GT3, which has been in worldwide competition since 2016.
The new car is understood to be based on the Mercedes‑AMG GT 63 production car.
“We are on schedule,” Wendl told Sportscar365. “This is still the case, which is good. It means we still plan to hit the test track for the first time in 2025.”
Wendl, however, ruled out the car being homologated for 2026, the same year that both Lamborghini and Lexus plan to have their new GT3 cars in the hands of customers.
“This is not possible,” said Wendl on Mercedes-AMG’s timeline.
“Other manufacturers, if they do so, they probably do it behind the scenes to develop the car. But you need more than half a year, from track debut to customer debut.”
Mercedes-AMG, however, plans to run its new car in un-homologated form next year in series such as NLS, which has the SPX category for yet-to-be-homologated GT cars.
“We plan to be in public competition, even without homologation, in race series where we’d be eligible, for example NLS,” said Wendl.
“It’s so important to also take those learnings with you.
“It’s different to drive on a test track maybe with one or two cars only, or if you go in competition and you have incidents, touching other cars, accidents also, to test those things that are made for the customers, and things like debris on the track or rubber and pickup.
“That’s why I think we plan also debut in official competition in 2026 but probably without official homologation.”
Wendl said the car’s homologation and full customer rollout will likely then come for 2027.
When asked if this timeline was always the plan, he said: “We prepared it quite well. Since last year when our big boss, Michael Schiebe,
committed that we develop a GT3 car, nothing’s changed.
“We are challenged behind the scenes to stay in the schedule.
“But we took over the responsibility of the development into AMG and now at the same time we’re building up the new company that’s called Affalterbach Racing GmbH.
“There’s a new CEO and the whole structure is starting to work from Jan. 1.
“We more or less have daily meetings together between the AMG Motorsport department and AFG and we’re growing together in this direction.”
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Successor to current Mercedes-AMG GT3 set to begin on-track testing this year…
Mercedes-AMG’s all-new GT3 car is slated to begin on-track testing this year according to the brand’s head of customer racing Stefan Wendl, who ruled out a full customer rollout until 2027 “at the earliest.”
The German manufacturer’s new subsidiary Affalterbach Racing GmbH has been charged with developing the successor to the current Mercedes-AMG GT3, which has been in worldwide competition since 2016.
The new car is understood to be based on the Mercedes‑AMG GT 63 production car.
“We are on schedule,” Wendl told Sportscar365. “This is still the case, which is good. It means we still plan to hit the test track for the first time in 2025.”
Wendl, however, ruled out the car being homologated for 2026, the same year that both Lamborghini and Lexus plan to have their new GT3 cars in the hands of customers.
“This is not possible,” said Wendl on Mercedes-AMG’s timeline.
“Other manufacturers, if they do so, they probably do it behind the scenes to develop the car. But you need more than half a year, from track debut to customer debut.”
Mercedes-AMG, however, plans to run its new car in un-homologated form next year in series such as NLS, which has the SPX category for yet-to-be-homologated GT cars.
“We plan to be in public competition, even without homologation, in race series where we’d be eligible, for example NLS,” said Wendl.
“It’s so important to also take those learnings with you.
“It’s different to drive on a test track maybe with one or two cars only, or if you go in competition and you have incidents, touching other cars, accidents also, to test those things that are made for the customers, and things like debris on the track or rubber and pickup.
“That’s why I think we plan also debut in official competition in 2026 but probably without official homologation.”
Wendl said the car’s homologation and full customer rollout will likely then come for 2027.
When asked if this timeline was always the plan, he said: “We prepared it quite well. Since last year when our big boss, Michael Schiebe,
committed that we develop a GT3 car, nothing’s changed.
“We are challenged behind the scenes to stay in the schedule.
“But we took over the responsibility of the development into AMG and now at the same time we’re building up the new company that’s called Affalterbach Racing GmbH.
“There’s a new CEO and the whole structure is starting to work from Jan. 1.
“We more or less have daily meetings together between the AMG Motorsport department and AFG and we’re growing together in this direction.”
New Mercedes-AMG GT3 Set for 2027 Customer Debut – Sportscar365
Successor to current Mercedes-AMG GT3 set to begin on-track testing this year...
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I don't know why you are taking it personally. I was not even sure if it was your car or some car in the lot. Either way, the interior seems to be in a bad state with stains and peeling plastic. All very understandable if you are taking small kids in it regularly. Nothing to be ashamed of. But doesn't make it "apples to apples" comparison to a brand new car like Kiki said (and who I was replying to). But you decided to take it personally and get triggered.
ps. FWIW, I have/had cars with alcantara/racetex, I know what a pain it is to maintain. I wouldn't even dare spec alcantara in a car frequented by kids.
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Absolutely. A 911 is always hot property because it's got such a pedigree and there is always demand, no matter what they have to do in terms of powertrain. The bulletproof residuals make owning a 911 less of a financial penalty. Icing on the tasty cake.
Right now in Australia, a 911 GTS commands a 12-18 month waiting list here and an S about 12 months. With the AMG GT, as of today you can have 8 of the 10 new cars that were shipped to Australia for sale at launch or you can order one to your exact specifications for delivery in 5-6 months. Let's see if that changes over the next 3 months.
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Exciting. I wonder how they'll make it work.New Mercedes-AMG GT3 Set for 2027 Customer Debut
Successor to current Mercedes-AMG GT3 set to begin on-track testing this year…
Mercedes-AMG’s all-new GT3 car is slated to begin on-track testing this year according to the brand’s head of customer racing Stefan Wendl, who ruled out a full customer rollout until 2027 “at the earliest.”
The German manufacturer’s new subsidiary Affalterbach Racing GmbH has been charged with developing the successor to the current Mercedes-AMG GT3, which has been in worldwide competition since 2016.
The new car is understood to be based on the Mercedes‑AMG GT 63 production car.
“We are on schedule,” Wendl told Sportscar365. “This is still the case, which is good. It means we still plan to hit the test track for the first time in 2025.”
Wendl, however, ruled out the car being homologated for 2026, the same year that both Lamborghini and Lexus plan to have their new GT3 cars in the hands of customers.
“This is not possible,” said Wendl on Mercedes-AMG’s timeline.
“Other manufacturers, if they do so, they probably do it behind the scenes to develop the car. But you need more than half a year, from track debut to customer debut.”
Mercedes-AMG, however, plans to run its new car in un-homologated form next year in series such as NLS, which has the SPX category for yet-to-be-homologated GT cars.
“We plan to be in public competition, even without homologation, in race series where we’d be eligible, for example NLS,” said Wendl.
“It’s so important to also take those learnings with you.
“It’s different to drive on a test track maybe with one or two cars only, or if you go in competition and you have incidents, touching other cars, accidents also, to test those things that are made for the customers, and things like debris on the track or rubber and pickup.
“That’s why I think we plan also debut in official competition in 2026 but probably without official homologation.”
Wendl said the car’s homologation and full customer rollout will likely then come for 2027.
When asked if this timeline was always the plan, he said: “We prepared it quite well. Since last year when our big boss, Michael Schiebe,
committed that we develop a GT3 car, nothing’s changed.
“We are challenged behind the scenes to stay in the schedule.
“But we took over the responsibility of the development into AMG and now at the same time we’re building up the new company that’s called Affalterbach Racing GmbH.
“There’s a new CEO and the whole structure is starting to work from Jan. 1.
“We more or less have daily meetings together between the AMG Motorsport department and AFG and we’re growing together in this direction.”
New Mercedes-AMG GT3 Set for 2027 Customer Debut – Sportscar365
Successor to current Mercedes-AMG GT3 set to begin on-track testing this year...
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Exciting we have to wait at least two more years and we're stuck with that old car in WEC and IMSA?
Yeah, exciting. And funny how they claim it's "on schedule".
Meanwhile, BMW is killing it with a modded lease car.
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