Model 3 [Official] Tesla Model 3

[klier]

This is no longer the case, the latest generations have the speedo and the tach in the usual place.

When you order the Nav system.

Anyways, I don't see the point in comparing the Mini interior with a Tesla. There is no point to be made.

 

[Matski]

When you order the Nav system.

Anyways, I don't see the point in comparing the Mini interior with a Tesla. There is no point to be made.

Ah okay, fair enough if that's the case. I thought it was the case on all models now, but I did check on the MINI configurator - and all models are pictured with a speedo and tach - even with neither of the Nav options being selected. Looks to be like the OBC sits in the middle now, and that's standard here, Nav then replaces the OBC.

 

[klier]

Hmmm, you could very well be right; they might have changed that.

 

[EnI]

Yes, with UKL-based Minis the speedo and rev meter are now conventional - located behind the wheel. Early Mk Minis had speedo in the central dash though.

A HUD would make Tesla 3 much more practical from driver's POV.

 

[DjordjeC63]

They could also make it more practical with few buttons, not just HUD. But they run out of money.

 

[Cashmere]

Tesla know their biggest weakness/criticism at the moment are their interiors and it is to be expected from a car company that is less than 10 years old. Right now I think they're doing the right thing to focus on the drivetrain technology over interior because it is the former that differentiates them from every other car company.

With that being said, they are listening to feedback and they are trying to address the problem as they grow bigger. 10 months ago, they hired Anders Bell who has 16 years of interior design engineering experience from Volvo and was responsible for the interior of the current gen S90

I think we're only going to see his design influence on the forthcoming Model Y and perhaps a few interior changes on the refreshed Model S and Model X. It will take time but Tesla's interiors are only going to get better as they grow bigger and get access to better talent.

 

[EnI]

Mk2 Tesla cars will be much more mature design wise, IMHO. A much better buy. Today, Tesla drivers are much like lab rats. Doing stuff that's usually done & sorted out in the "design clinics" and during extensive test drives by professional test drivers. But, hey, Elon saved some money with that innovative approach. Now he only needs to borrow $1.5billion per quarter instead of 1.6

There's a difference between minimalistic and Spartan design.

 

[Matski]

It will take time but Tesla's interiors are only going to get better as they grow bigger and get access to better talent.

Whilst they're only breaking even on the standard model I don't see them investing more on the interior and shifting that break-even even further north. Interiors cost money ...

Spoiler: Mini Rant

for every component or piece of trim, there's a design process, a development process, an RFQ process, a tooling process, an approval process, manufacturing costs, assembly costs, logistical costs.... and for each of those things there is a time and man-power resource needed.... and there's a lot of components that go into a car interior - not only is there everything you see, but a lot you don't also. I can't possibly explain how trivial some of the components are that my company has made that go into a car interior, most of them bespoke, with their own tooling, their own specifications, their own quality inspections, part submission warrants etc. etc., even their own bespoke packaging solutions in some cases.

.. which is why when I look at the Model III interior, all I see is a company trying to reduce upfront costs, trying to minimize development costs, trying to reduce unit costs, trying to reduce their logistical burden... look at a Dacia interior, and you can see it a mile off, but it's okay, because that's a budget brand... why people perceive it as any different for Tesla, I don't know -- they don't have the cachet to get away with charging more for less like some brands models do.

... so yes, as they get bigger things will improve as the company grows, but only if profits rise/losses shrink.

Just my two cents.

 

[Cashmere]

Production schedule is running on EST (Elon Standard Time). Only 220 Model 3 delivered in September due to production bottlenecks.

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[DjordjeC63]

I noticed that Tesla does not have night vision system. Or HUD.

 

[Centurion]

Production schedule is running on EST (Elon Standard Time). Only 220 Model 3 delivered in September due to production bottlenecks.

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A dissapointing updated. Tesla are lucky that there won't be viable alternatives to the Model 3 before 2020. Those who want one, which there are hundreds of thousands of, won't cancel there order but will just wait a little longer.

 

[EnI]

True. Model 3 is safe for now. But Tesla S and X will take a devastating hit (at least outside US markets) in the next years when i-Pace, Mission E, e-tron SAV and SAC, iX3, EQC, iNext are launched in 2018-21. But from 2021 on the Model 3 will start to feel the heat as well.

It looks like the US market is (still) in love with Tesla, just like it is with Apple.

 

[tristatez28lt1]

I’ll leave this here for food for thought. Take it with a lot of salt but it illustrates a point: the ev market space is getting crowded.

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[Gianclaudio]

Yes, Tesla will be probably resting on their laurels while others catch them

 

[EnI]

Yes, Tesla will be probably resting on their laurels while others catch them

They will.

Tesla will first have to earn money on its own to finance some new projects. They're barely getting any cheap money for current projects - being forced to issue expensive junk bonds. While established carmakers are getting cheap loans.

This is a company with a 14-year history of loss making and negative annual cash flow. A start-up forever.

They are unable to make profit in an environment where they don't have any viable competition at all!

And silly people think it will get better when competitors do start to catch up. It won't! It will get worse since the competitors are profit-making companies with huge cash flow and even huge cash reserves.

It's not a secret there are over 100 new EV models coming in 2018-2022 period. From various carmakers. Vehicles of various sizes, types, MSRPs. A lot of choices. Current situation in EV market is completely incomparable to what is coming in the next 5 years.

What are Tesla plans for the next 5 years? Ramping up Model 3 production, Model Y crossover launch (which will be launched into already established market of EV mid-size crossovers), electric pick-up truck, and electric semi-truck. So, basically 5 Tesla passenger cars vs 200 others. Price pressure on Tesla will be huge. They'll have to offer much more than today.

Tesla is a bubble. It's nothing like Apple. Those are only fairytales for the Tesla believers. But the reality check is coming. Bigly.

Not to mention Tesla's AutoPilot is a sub par tech - due to lack of a proper hardware for Level 5 AD. Tesla is the only carmaker who ditched LIDAR as a part of automated drive hardware, replacing it with more stereo cameras and ultrasound sensors etc. So, it's Tesla vs all the other automotive industry.

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

I personally do not care what will happen with Tesla in the future. Tesla already achieved what it should achieve. It triggered the revolution in the auto industry (without Tesla maybe it would start at least 10 years later). It changed the world more than any other automaker (not because the established automakers couldn't do it, but the previous situation was very convenient for them and all the oil tycoons). In the future Tesla will be (if it survives) only one of many producers of electromobiles and its mission won't be so important anymore. So great job, Tesla and thank you for the kick in the ass of the automotive and oil industry cartel.

 

[martinbo]

Eni, it sounds to me like you want Tesla to fail.

The economics around Tesla's financial statements are pretty obvious no? Relatively speaking, in the context of the global automotive industry, Tesla is still a start-up. It is decades away from the volumes required to make true inroads into the global market. Just like Hyundai-KIA were in the mid 1990's - a blip on the auto market radar, and they were at least operating within the traditional, fossil-fueled automotive paradigm - Tesla is a business that needs time and capital investment inflows.

There are plenty examples of car makers making losses in the traditional, established automotive industry (yes - making fossil-fuel powered cars in volumes) receiving bailouts, getting sold off, merged etc. Tesla, instead, is pushing a technological envelope to the extent that none of the mega-automakers have been able to achieve. Not in terms of performance, range, infrastructure, capacity or volume.

I find it frankly ridiculous that there are so many harbingers of doom for Tesla considering the importance of its innovation and the necessity for it to succeed in order to pioneer a new era of transportation devices that don't:

• belch out harmful emissions
• absorb a needless amount of human and industrial endeavour* due to preposterous complexity
• require an enormous, insular infrastructure which serves no other purpose than refueling

* So much of this effort can be better placed elsewhere to provide socio-economic betterment for all and protect the tiny environment we so desperately need to look after.

I want Tesla to succeed; competition in itself is very healthy but when the competition comes from a noble endeavour that disrupts a deeply flawed industry then all the better for it.

The age of suck-squirt-bang-push-crank-turn-mesh-rotate-spew has had its time - the world needs to adopt a new idiom of human mobility and the electric car needs a standard-bearer like Tesla to guts it out and become a success.

 

[EnI]

No, Martin, I don't want Tesla to fail. I just despise all the hype about Tesla and hype about Tesla's superiority vs the rest of the automotive industry.

I just want to present a more realistic perspective. But we, who to that, are usually labeled as blasphemers by Tesla fans and believers.

Sure Tesla's role is important. But less delusion would be better.

 

[Busty]

No, Martin, I don't want Tesla to fail. I just despise all the hype about Tesla and hype of its superiority vs the rest of the automotive industry. I just want to present a more realistic perspective. But we, who to that, are usually labeled as blasphemers by Tesla fans and believers.

Sure Tesla's role is important. But less delusion would be better.

I could not agree more. And anybody who's working in the broad field of (automotive) mobility must agree, as well.
Tesla has been doing an impressive job in the last 10 years and I don't know anybody who doesn't acknowledge that fact.
However, this must not lead the (very big) remainder of the industry into temptation to just follow, and take beaten tracks. And it is also not wise for politicians or other opinion-makers to suggest that imitation is the measure of choice now.

 

[Zonda]

Whereas competition is indeed stiffening, Tesla still has a large edge when it comes to the charging network. This and Tesla's image is what will keep their demand up as the EV future unfolds.