Taycan [Official] Porsche Taycan
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The Porsche Taycan is a battery electric luxury sports sedan and shooting brake car produced by Porsche.
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Beautifully configured:
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...and this particular configuration is very interesting:
And by the way...is that Seth Rogen scrutinizing the interior from the front passenger door ?
Searching for stashed recreational narcotics perhaps ?
And by the way...is that Seth Rogen scrutinizing the interior from the front passenger door ?
Searching for stashed recreational narcotics perhaps ?
drifter1
Tarmac Traveler
OFFICIAL: Porsche Taycan Turbo Range Pales Against Tesla Model S
The Taycan Turbo has sporty performance, but far less range—is it a worthwhile trade-off?
Alex Leanse
Dec 11, 2019
The 2020 Porsche Taycan Turbo has received its official EPA range rating, and there's no way of putting it lightly: It pales in comparison to rivals from Tesla.
On the EPA's test cycle, Taycan Turbo range is rated at 201 miles, with an MPGe rating of 69 MPGe combined. The EPA says it'll cost $1.58 to drive 25 miles in the Taycan Turbo, with an estimated annual charging cost of $950 for 15,000 miles at a split of 45 percent highway and 55 percent city driving. While the EPA did not specify wheel size, we assume these figures are based on the vehicle's stock 20-inch rollers.
Comparing the electric Porsche's range to that of its Californian competitors is a bit of a shock. When shod with 21-inch wheels, 2020 Tesla Model S Performance range is EPA-rated at 326 miles, with a combined 97 MPGe rating. That results in a 25-mile driving cost of $1.17, and an estimated annual charging cost of $700.
Greater rolling efficiency is achieved with the Tesla Model S Performance's 19-inch wheels, resulting in an EPA range rating of 348 miles, and 104 MPGe. Costs subsequently drop to $1.05 to drive 25 miles, and $650 annually.
We found Tesla Model S range to actually exceed its EPA rating.
The 2020 Tesla Model 3 Dual Motor Performanceon 20-inch wheels gets a 299-mile range rating and 113 MPGe combined rating. Estimated charging costs are just $0.97 for 25 miles, and $600 annually.
Note that the EPA has rated only the Taycan Turbo, not the more powerful Taycan Turbo S or more affordable Taycan 4S.
Why the difference? After all, the Taycan Turbo's 93-kilowatt-hour battery pack is about the same size as comparable Teslas. It's not exactly clear, but Porsche is unperturbed. Reached for comment, a Porsche representative told MotorTrend, "We're very happy with the performance of the car. Our customers will experience the performance and range necessary for everyday usability. The Taycan Turbo is a sports car. Range was never the primary objective. "
Asked if the company had done any third-party evaluation, the representative confirmed that Porsche hired AMCI Testing to conduct its city and highway commute cycle. Averaging the results of five test cycles on public roads in Southern California, Taycan Turbo range was rated at 275 miles—a significant discrepancy from the EPA's results.
Concerns about range remain the primary barriers to electric vehicle adoption. In this regard, Tesla's Model S and Model 3 still hold an advantage over Porsche's first production EV. However, some Taycan Turbo buyers may be less concerned about maximum range and more about driving dynamics. We've driven the Taycan several times in different trims and found it to be a thrill—truly an EV deserving of the Porsche crest.
Nonetheless, we can only imagine Elon Musk smirking triumphantly as he learns the news of Porsche's comparatively paltry range.
The Taycan Turbo has sporty performance, but far less range—is it a worthwhile trade-off?
Alex Leanse
Dec 11, 2019
The 2020 Porsche Taycan Turbo has received its official EPA range rating, and there's no way of putting it lightly: It pales in comparison to rivals from Tesla.
On the EPA's test cycle, Taycan Turbo range is rated at 201 miles, with an MPGe rating of 69 MPGe combined. The EPA says it'll cost $1.58 to drive 25 miles in the Taycan Turbo, with an estimated annual charging cost of $950 for 15,000 miles at a split of 45 percent highway and 55 percent city driving. While the EPA did not specify wheel size, we assume these figures are based on the vehicle's stock 20-inch rollers.
Comparing the electric Porsche's range to that of its Californian competitors is a bit of a shock. When shod with 21-inch wheels, 2020 Tesla Model S Performance range is EPA-rated at 326 miles, with a combined 97 MPGe rating. That results in a 25-mile driving cost of $1.17, and an estimated annual charging cost of $700.
Greater rolling efficiency is achieved with the Tesla Model S Performance's 19-inch wheels, resulting in an EPA range rating of 348 miles, and 104 MPGe. Costs subsequently drop to $1.05 to drive 25 miles, and $650 annually.
We found Tesla Model S range to actually exceed its EPA rating.
The 2020 Tesla Model 3 Dual Motor Performanceon 20-inch wheels gets a 299-mile range rating and 113 MPGe combined rating. Estimated charging costs are just $0.97 for 25 miles, and $600 annually.
Note that the EPA has rated only the Taycan Turbo, not the more powerful Taycan Turbo S or more affordable Taycan 4S.
Why the difference? After all, the Taycan Turbo's 93-kilowatt-hour battery pack is about the same size as comparable Teslas. It's not exactly clear, but Porsche is unperturbed. Reached for comment, a Porsche representative told MotorTrend, "We're very happy with the performance of the car. Our customers will experience the performance and range necessary for everyday usability. The Taycan Turbo is a sports car. Range was never the primary objective. "
Asked if the company had done any third-party evaluation, the representative confirmed that Porsche hired AMCI Testing to conduct its city and highway commute cycle. Averaging the results of five test cycles on public roads in Southern California, Taycan Turbo range was rated at 275 miles—a significant discrepancy from the EPA's results.
Concerns about range remain the primary barriers to electric vehicle adoption. In this regard, Tesla's Model S and Model 3 still hold an advantage over Porsche's first production EV. However, some Taycan Turbo buyers may be less concerned about maximum range and more about driving dynamics. We've driven the Taycan several times in different trims and found it to be a thrill—truly an EV deserving of the Porsche crest.
Nonetheless, we can only imagine Elon Musk smirking triumphantly as he learns the news of Porsche's comparatively paltry range.
hovabongZA
Tire Trailblazer
I have a feeling that Porsche already knew that the Taycan would not beat the Tesla when it comes to range, but that’s the sacrifice they were willing to make to make it feel like a Porsche, handling, the drive and performance. Legacy carmakers who want to keep core values will also have similar limitations, unlike Tesla who’ve had a blank canvas,no expectations, but to be a pure EV. Now Tesla are focusing on the handling and quality while it’s the opposite for most o legacy carmaker and I believe that’s the big difference.
Serpens
Torque Titan
I agree that Porsche knew they weren’t going to be Tesla on range. Tesla just flat out knows the secrets to maximum efficiency. Until everyone else figures out how to compete on that they'll have to keep finding other traits to distract customers with.
CrunchSlaughtered
RPM Ruler
The efficiency is not sacrificed in order to keep the typical Porsche dynamic, but because Porsche is 10 years behind Tesla in this technology. (The explanation that they didn't use the Tesla technology in order to have repeatable performance is totally falsh, because they are referring to the old Tesla induction motor technology and all these problems are cured with the reluctance motor.
hovabongZA
Tire Trailblazer
I mean Porsche had the Tesla back to back with the Taycan during development and no doubt tore it apart, couldn’t they have figured out how Tesla makes their cars efficient? Or is it more than that ? I believe trying to make it a Porsche is one of the reason they couldn’t match Tesla, but is a compromise that Porsche were will to make.
CrunchSlaughtered
RPM Ruler
Of course is more than that. Only Tesla has currently released a reluctance motor with more than 159 kW and also Porsche benchmarked the old technology during their development process, because Tesla released this technology in 2017 with the model 3. And Elon is making fun of all the unaware journalists calling the motor Permanent Magnet Switchable Reluctance Motor, when the motor is no Permanent magnet type at all and the S stands for Switchable and not Synchronous. 99% of the journalist can not understand the difference and in all the European reviews they say it has a Permanent Magnet Synchronous motor, which is a joke.
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A question of pulling the trigger now...
...or choosing to wait a bit...
A delightfully tormenting decision process for those fortunate enough to be involved.
...or choosing to wait a bit...
A delightfully tormenting decision process for those fortunate enough to be involved.
TopspeedPT
Track Technician
That render looks awesome.
The acceleration on the Turbo S is seamless and blistering. It does 0-200 in approx 9sec, 0-250 in approx 13sec and 260kmh top speed in only 16sec after take off.
Definitely one of my favorite electric cars of the moment. This and the Honda e.
Definitely one of my favorite electric cars of the moment. This and the Honda e.
drifter1
Tarmac Traveler
So what are they trying to say exactly? That the EPA is biased? It's a standardized test and it's the same for every manufacturer. The EPA test is far more credible than the one AMCI conducts.
Without similar data for the Taycans' competitors, a direct comparison cannot be made. The test, on its own, is useless IMHO.
Without similar data for the Taycans' competitors, a direct comparison cannot be made. The test, on its own, is useless IMHO.
Serpens
Torque Titan
They’re just trying to minimize the impact of the embarrassing EPA rating. Porsche knows it was a BS move to do such a test with AMCI.
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