S-Class (W222/C217/A217) [Official] Mercedes-Maybach S600 (X222)

[Betty Swollocks]

For God's sake Scott, this is the Maybach thread. I'm really fed up of you using this forum as a vessel for you to promote BMW Group products, and I'm a huge BMW Fan. Wolfgang is a brilliant contributor the forum, never ceasing to amaze me with the quality and content of his posts. You're not even worth 10% of him.


You're an absolute troll.

 

[klier]

Those wheels should be standard on the 'Bach.

They fit the car extremely well. Looks great indeed.

Aaron Bragman ‏@BragmansWorld
Made it to our destination in style! Truly exceptional, like a road-going private jet.

Only less vibrations and less noise

 

[Monster]

For God's sake Scott, this is the Maybach thread. I'm really fed up of you using this forum as a vessel for you to promote BMW Group products, and I'm a huge BMW Fan. Wolfgang is a brilliant contributor the forum, never ceasing to amaze me with the quality and content of his posts. You're not even worth 10% of him.


You're an absolute troll.

Off topic content removed, lets not get too personal again. Thank you.

 

[Rolf]

Those wheels should be standard on the 'Bach.

It looks fantastic with those wheels and the black paintwork, really so noble and elegant looking.

 

[Yaz]

Of God, how much I'd love a Maybach 57S. It's the best W140/220 S-Class ever.

 

[mercpassion]

no matter what anyone says, the original Maybach 57 would always remain in a special place of my heart, even today it still captures my imagination and is a pure masterpiece of understated excellence (in design terms of course), I admit though the underpinnings of the 220/140 was somewhat of a disappointment.

however the new Maybach S is a beauty in it's own right and is the embodiment of modern luxury unmatched by other top end luxury cars, it is very rare for a car to look good with an extended wheelbase, however with this car it is a testament to the MB designers who created another masterstroke, it looks so good.

 

[SDNR]

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Ha ha, I was just about to post the same video.

It is an interesting verdict ......and one I think most of us will appreciate.

As time goes on I have found myself becoming sentimental about the previous Maybach models .......I guess I'll feel the same about the Phantom when it is replaced by its successor.

 

[mercpassion]

Rolls Royce is another type of a animal, I always view English cars of being very overdesigned and lacking much character of design quality, they are imposing and offer plenty of 'impression luxury', however they cannot match the germans esp. Mercedes in creating quality understated and sensuously modern design masterpieces,

the phantom is a typical example of what I mean, all I can see is a crazily large almost jeep like car with highly dramatic proportions look at the C-pillar for instance, then the interiors.....is just another thing, a study in how NOT to conserve trees lol.

 

[PINHEAD]

Rolls Royce is another type of a animal, I always view English cars of being very overdesigned and lacking much character of design quality, they are imposing and offer plenty of 'impression luxury', however they cannot match the germans esp. Mercedes in creating quality understated and sensuously modern design masterpieces,

the phantom is a typical example of what I mean, all I can see is a crazily large almost jeep like car with highly dramatic proportions look at the C-pillar for instance, then the interiors.....is just another thing, a study in how NOT to conserve trees lol.

Like a baroque wardrobe

 

[mercpassion]

I mean obviously many people would stand back merely from even the idea of criticizing Rolls Royce purely due the power of it's name, however even a boutique brand like RR has it's flaws, in fact many of them.

 

[empower77]

My biggest gripe with the Maybach is the lack of interior color choices and combinations. If Daimler is indeed targeting the Continental/ Ghost range, they need to offer more reds/ oranges/ blues/ greens etc. and allowing the customer to go crazy with the interior color options and types of materials used.

 

[Wolfgang]

^ You may not yet have explored the full extent of what's available. In addition to the choices often discussed ex-factory via the price lists and configurators, there's the designo program, as a first step up to offer more individual choices, followed by special ex factory requests, for example contrast upholstery stitching colors of your choice, and custom tuned Burmester sound systems atuned to your listening preferences. Then there's the AMG Performance Studio, with a virtually unlimited scope of selections. Pick your own exterior paint color, virtually any, within legal constraints, bring your own leathers and trims, and you may wish to bring your architect along, to ensure the limousine may fit in with the theme of your home/ranch/castle.

 

[SDNR]

Rolls Royce is another type of a animal, I always view English cars of being very overdesigned and lacking much character of design quality, they are imposing and offer plenty of 'impression luxury', however they cannot match the germans esp. Mercedes in creating quality understated and sensuously modern design masterpieces,

the phantom is a typical example of what I mean, all I can see is a crazily large almost jeep like car with highly dramatic proportions look at the C-pillar for instance, then the interiors.....is just another thing, a study in how NOT to conserve trees lol.

Provocative comments.

You can't seriously be suggesting that Rolls-Royce is not as high quality as Mercedes .....because that really would be an ignorant comment.

I can not agree with you about British cars lacking "character of design" (whatever that means), in fact it is the special "character" of the way they are designed and built that sets them apart from their mass-produced German rivals.

In terms of design, Rolls-Royce has always had a much more obsessive approach to the styling and details than Mercedes ......because, unlike Mercedes, Rolls-Royce has always been intrinsically connected to the curious British attitudes to social class and "good taste" - so much so that Rolls-Royce came to be understood as a symbol of the British establishment itself (Royalty and Empire).

I certainly acknowledge that the BMW-era Phantom is brash and ostentatious; it is certainly highly stylised but that is its main appeal (it's all about fantasy).

The Mercedes Maybach is much more "middle class" in terms of styling .....it is thoughtfully designed but far less emotive.

 

[SDNR]

Like a baroque wardrobe

I know that has been said before but I honestly can't find anything overly "Baroque" about the styling of the Phantom ......in fact the designers appear to have taken lot of inspiration from the highly refined and uncluttered 1930s Art Déco interiors by great designers like Jean-Michel Frank and Jean Dunand.

 

[Sovereign]

IMO Mercedes "regular" S class with designo offers a more pleasing style in the back than the Maybach variant. I just don't like the curved wood insert behind the rear seats that look unfinished on one hand and over style on the other. I guess Maybach version is all about space which it has in abundance. It really doesn't have anything unique over a regular S class.

RR Phantom interior is just outdated to my eyes. But Bentleys and RR Spur have beautiful interiors. One of the best interior ever was in the Bentley Arnage, a car that was designed before the Germans took over the Bentley/RR.

I appreciate the efforts of Mercedes in the regular S class though. They have created an interior, especially with Designo, that can be matched with cars twice or thrice the price, that is RR and Bentley. However as the price between the higher, pricier versions of S and the British rivals closes in price, the value factor for the S decreases as far as style/design is concerned.

A more unique design approach inside and outside by Mercedes for the MAYBACH versions will surely be appreciated by a Mercedes Benz fan like myself. But with the current Mercedes approach, I will go with the RR or Bentley just for the interiors if I can afford, which in reality I cannot.

 

[mercpassion]

Provocative comments.

You can't seriously be suggesting that Rolls-Royce is not as high quality as Mercedes .....because that really would be an ignorant comment.

I can not agree with you about British cars lacking "character of design" (whatever that means), in fact it is the special "character" of the way they are designed and built that sets them apart from their mass-produced German rivals.

In terms of design, Rolls-Royce has always had a much more obsessive approach to the styling and details than Mercedes ......because, unlike Mercedes, Rolls-Royce has always been intrinsically connected to the curious British attitudes to social class and "good taste" - so much so that Rolls-Royce came to be understood as a symbol of the British establishment itself (Royalty and Empire).

I certainly acknowledge that the BMW-era Phantom is brash and ostentatious; it is certainly highly stylised but that is its main appeal (it's all about fantasy).

The Mercedes Maybach is much more "middle class" in terms of styling .....it is thoughtfully designed but far less emotive.

I think I still remain with my idea, because you have just partly yet indirectly supported what I mean. When you say RR been connected to English royalty empire etc, this is what I precisely mean, I admit they have got a very high degree of high society appeal, however that does have it's own flaws because I think looking at their history they were and still are less bothered about the actual emotion of a car and more bothered about maintaining and enriching their social and economic status, simply by designing large obtuse vehicles. where by the germans have and always treat a car of being a lifetime obsession and is certainly shown in the almost perfect execution of design strategies which combine modernity and timelessness in an unmatched manner, by that I more precisely mean MB.

in terms of quality, however that is another issue, it is clearly known just what RR or someone bought to the table compared to the S (nothing?), or the legendary go on forever reputation of the w124's etc. however I do think they are brilliant at matching leathers etc. if that is what ones considers of being quality standards.

 

[silkeye]

or the disastrous reputation of the w211 ? (SBC - Brake)

 

[SDNR]

I think I still remain with my idea, because you have just partly yet indirectly supported what I mean. When you say RR been connected to English royalty empire etc, this is what I precisely mean, I admit they have got a very high degree of high society appeal, however that does have it's own flaws because I think looking at their history they were and still are less bothered about the actual emotion of a car and more bothered about maintaining and enriching their social and economic status, simply by designing large obtuse vehicles. where by the germans have and always treat a car of being a lifetime obsession and is certainly shown in the almost perfect execution of design strategies which combine modernity and timelessness in an unmatched manner, by that I more precisely mean MB.

in terms of quality, however that is another issue, it is clearly known just what RR or someone bought to the table compared to the S (nothing?), or the legendary go on forever reputation of the w124's etc. however I do think they are brilliant at matching leathers etc. if that is what ones considers of being quality standards.

I do agree that Rolls-Royce has not been at the forefront of automotive progression since the 1930s. After World War 2, Rolls-Royce came to be viewed as an "old fashioned" symbol of an out-dated Bristish social class system. As a small independent manufacturer, the company has a history of tough financial periods so it became an increasingly eccentric small business committed to slightly fanciful notions of "tradition" and "Britishness".

The new BMW-era Rolls-Royce models do keep the ideals of the marque's founders alive but the old class-associations pretty much no longer exist .....Rolls-Royce is now a thorougly modern brand for those who are fortunate enough to be able to afford one. I have given this much consideration and I do believe Rolls-Royce cars are not simply BMWs with a British accent: the experience and feeling of the Ghost is entirely different from the BWW 7, and the Phantom is an altogether unique experience in the automotive industry.

Mercedes has obviously had a much greater (and important) impact on the motor industry than Rolls-Royce .....but so has Ford, GM, Volkswagen, and Toyota. Rolls-Royce stands as nearly the oldest passenger car brand still in business (Renault and Buick are older, Ford is the same age and the Mercedes-Benz brand was created in 1926). Rolls-Royce is a special brand and I'm glad it is doing so well.

You commented on Mercedes' "almost perfect execution" of design strategies ......this is an odd comment considering Mercedes' design "strategy" has been quite erratic since Sacco left.

In terms of fine design, I would consider Mercedes' most beautiful post-war cars to be the ones created under the guidance of Paul Bracq ....which I do not believe is a surprise, the French tend to have a greater affinity with high elegance and refined taste than the Germans (I know this is a stereotype.....but it is so often true). The W100 owes its monumentalism and grandeur largely to its French influence in my opinion .....even Bruno Sacco (who took a much more academic approach to design) thought there was too much chrome .....but Bracq was a man of fine taste and this is why the details are so exquisite.

 

[Sovereign]

^^ Agree 100% to the comments on Paul Bracq. Mercedes had its finest days under Mr. Bracq and I strongly feel that he is not given the due recognition by the company. If I am not mistaken the "modern" Mercedes design language started with W116 was also penned by Mr. Bracq.

It is true that the brand Mercedes-Benz was created in 1926 but as separate brands both existed before the RR brand. Benz is actually the oldest surviving name on a car. And the pioneering effort of the two separate brands or in combination is almost unparalleled in the automotive world. Haven't Benz and Daimler invented the modern automobile.

 

[SDNR]

^^ Agree 100% to the comments on Paul Bracq. Mercedes had its finest days under Mr. Bracq and I strongly feel that he is not given the due recognition by the company. If I am not mistaken the "modern" Mercedes design language started with W116 was also penned by Mr. Bracq.

It is true that the brand Mercedes-Benz was created in 1926 but as separate brands both existed before the RR brand. Benz is actually the oldest surviving name on a car. And the pioneering effort of the two separate brands or in combination is almost unparalleled in the automotive world. Haven't Benz and Daimler invented the modern automobile.

Yes, Carl Benz invented the first vehicle with an internal combustion engine.

In my comment above I was refering to brands but I believe you are correct about Daimler being the oldest manufacturer of automobiles.

Peugeot is a really old brand too.