S-Class (W223) [Official] Mercedes-Benz S-Class (W223)

[kiki voinea]

Do you really expect expensive buttons behind the steering wheel?
This car has 3D screens, OLED displays, beamer light, 77" Head Up Display, active ambient light, rear axle system, augumented reality, best linguatronic and, and, and, highest comfort ans safety standards, radar, laser and camera systems for automatic driving and so on.
No W222 has one of this options. Without some "cost cutting" only a few people could buy this car. But it is only a little bit more expensive than the W222. And you can find this not visible plastic buttons in every car.

Have you tested ANY of this options?

Pure gimmicks. All of them !

Those 3D screens are nice , but not that "must have" ( some friends told me that after 2 hours they become disturbing ; I've tested them for few time , so can't conclude )

OLED displays yes , but not a "must have" ( I can't wait to see how the burn-in will be in +4 years in a car that sits in a +40degrees temperature )

Beamer light? I have beamed lights on my FL W222. Those projections are "ok" , but not a deal breaker.

That augmented reality is the biggest gimmick of all. It is pure garbage right now, in this state. At least for what I've seen. Maybe they will update it and make good use of it , because the tech is good !

Linguatronic...Meh. Do I really need to tell my car to turn on the heated seats?

Active ambient light is nice. Real axle is nice.

Those safety standards can come as software updates to any other car . There is no new tech under the bonnet. Same radars as 10 years ago ( you can check the parts )

And read all I've written : The biggest problem is not cost cutting. It's the price increase ! And not by a few thousands , but by tens !

AND YES , I expect better quality behind the steering wheel.

You know why? Because it's the first damn thing you see in the car , besides the steering wheel !

 

[Mick Briesgau]

@kiki voinea
Kiki, what were your feelings about the haptic of the turn indicator stick, left of the steering wheel and the gear shifter? As for the alignement of the trunk goes, it is rather easily corrected by some turning screws/plastic wheels that are on the inside/underside of it. An experienced guy at your dealer should know how to correct this within minutes.
Still, this ought not be necessary, I concur with you.

 

[wagnechris]

Have you tested ANY of this options?

Pure gimmicks. All of them !

Those 3D screens are nice , but not that "must have" ( some friends told me that after 2 hours they become disturbing ; I've tested them for few time , so can't conclude )

OLED displays yes , but not a "must have" ( I can't wait to see how the burn-in will be in +4 years in a car that sits in a +40degrees temperature )

Beamer light? I have beamed lights on my FL W222. Those projections are "ok" , but not a deal breaker.

That augmented reality is the biggest gimmick of all. It is pure garbage right now, in this state. At least for what I've seen. Maybe they will update it and make good use of it , because the tech is good !

Linguatronic...Meh. Do I really need to tell my car to turn on the heated seats?

Active ambient light is nice. Real axle is nice.

Those safety standards can come as software updates to any other car . There is no new tech under the bonnet. Same radars as 10 years ago ( you can check the parts )

And read all I've written : The biggest problem is not cost cutting. It's the price increase ! And not by a few thousands , but by tens !

AND YES , I expect better quality behind the steering wheel.

You know why? Because it's the first damn thing you see in the car , besides the steering wheel !

I drive some of your gimmicks every day and i love them. Expecially MBUX and the augumented reality.
But i Inderstand you. Testing MBUX ist Not enough. You and your car need some weeks known each other. Then you need no buttons for climate, radio, seats, lights and so on. You can look on the street and that is the best safety system.
All my friends are totally amazed by the system and the ambient light and augumented reality. But it needs some time.
And safty in a car is so much more than software updates.
If you do not need or like those options it is not necessary to order it.
So, where is the problem?

 

[AndreB]

Those cheap buttons will go away in the next S class. I wonder why they didn't put the steering adjustment in infotainment like in Tesla, but then people will complain where are the buttons.

I also hate cheap details in expensive cars and this micromanagement thing like saving 0.50 cents on some buttons, I hope those savings go into other part of the car and not investors pocket.

 

[sl123]

@wagnechris: I have driven the W223 for 5000 km now. And can say for sure that the touch MBUX especially on the steering wheel is utterly nonsense. It simply does not work reliably. And it´s a mess that you always have to go via the homescreen screen to adress a submenu. And yes - I do adjust my climate controls daily: Again - the W222 button based solution was simply perfect and much more resolved than now.
Also pay attention to Mick´s review. I completely agree with him.

 

[Mick Briesgau]

@wagnechris: I have driven the W223 for 5000 km now. And can say for sure that the touch MBUX especially on the steering wheel is utterly nonsense. It simply does not work reliably. And it´s a mess that you always have to go via the homescreen screen to adress a submenu. And yes - I do adjust my climate controls daily: Again - the W222 button based solution was simply perfect and much more resolved than now.
Also pay attention to Mick´s review. I completely agree with him.

Congratulations ??, one of the first in Germany. May I ask, which version you have. If a diesel, how are the fuel figures?

 

[klier]

Lol salty motherf#ckers due to the 40k sales.
Just wait and see it dominate world wide for the next 7 years like all other S classes before it!

what did you expect ?? Hahah

The S class is an ICE dinosaur and really can't be compared to any normal S class generation, imo. The next 7 years will be vastly different for the established brands and their ICE products. Clearly ICE old school cars are not going to keep going like they did for the past 100 years.
The competition from within alone (EQS) warrants this statement. You're acting as if this was the period of the W221 or W220, which is not even the case by a long shot.

@wagnechris: I have driven the W223 for 5000 km now. And can say for sure that the touch MBUX especially on the steering wheel is utterly nonsense. It simply does not work reliably.

Yesterday I read that the pilots of the F35 Joint Strike Fighter have a 20% failure rate hitting the proper button ever since the buttons (like in an F16) got replaced by a f'ing touchscreen. I swear, you can't make this shit up! And if they make these mistakes in a project costing tens of billions, you know we car people are f#cked up; they're not going to replace these touchscreens for buttons anymore.

If you do not need or like those options it is not necessary to order it.
So, where is the problem?

What are you even talking about? The most basic functions are hidden in menus and/or layers or touchscreens. That's the whole point.

 

[tristatez28lt1]

The S-class is responsible for circa 30% of Daimler's passenger cars EBIT, what do you think their #1 priority with this car is? $$$

 

[Mick Briesgau]

The S-class is responsible for circa 30% of Daimler's passenger cars EBIT, what do you think their #1 priority with this car is? $$$

Quite right. And they are maximising profits by cost cutting and asking higher prices. Somehow this reminds me of the Jürgen E. Schrempp era...

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

Quite right. And they are maximising profits by cost cutting and asking higher prices. Somehow this reminds me of the Jürgen E. Schrempp era...

And more aggressive marketing instead of substance

 

[Mick Briesgau]

And more aggressive marketing instead of substance

In what way more agressive, CrunchS?
Substance is rare nowadays, not only at MB.

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

In what way more agressive, CrunchS?
Substance is rare nowadays, not only at MB.

Like putting the emphasis on things that are not important but are presented like they are the second coming

 

[fortuner]

Like putting the emphasis on things that are not important but are presented like they are the second coming

Example ???

 

[sl123]

Hi Mick. It’s a S500 4matic. Fuel consumption is 10,2 l / 100 km. It’s a pretty noisy engine. I thought they would completely encapsulate it. Which they didn’t. That is remarkable because on the other hand the car is so perfectly isolated with respect to NVH. But that’s my truly subjective opinion.
Best

 

[Mr. Mercedes]

Hi Mick. It’s a S500 4matic. Fuel consumption is 10,2 l / 100 km. It’s a pretty noisy engine. I thought they would completely encapsulate it. Which they didn’t. That is remarkable because on the other hand the car is so perfectly isolated with respect to NVH. But that’s my truly subjective opinion.
Best

Hi. Could you please clarify what you mean by the engine being noisy but the car being isolated with respect to NVH? Noisy at idle? Or noisy from the outside? Or noisy at varying speeds in which case you mean the engine noise is audible, but wind and road noise are isolated? Just trying to understand your description more accurately as the dB readings from a lot of the tests have been pretty impressive. Thank you.

P.s Just to clarify I am not arguing or doubting your statement. This is a genuine query.

Putting aside your issues with the interface, how do you compare the W223 to your W222?

 

[275others]

Do you really expect expensive buttons behind the steering wheel?
This car has 3D screens, OLED displays, beamer light, 77" Head Up Display, active ambient light, rear axle system, augumented reality, best linguatronic and, and, and, highest comfort ans safety standards, radar, laser and camera systems for automatic driving and so on.
No W222 has one of this options. Without some "cost cutting" only a few people could buy this car. But it is only a little bit more expensive than the W222. And you can find this not visible plastic buttons in every car.

Ridiculous mental gymnastics to justify cheap plastic buttons on a car that is supposed to be the pinnacle of luxury.

 

[Ozy]

Ridiculous mental gymnastics to justify cheap plastic buttons on a car that is supposed to be the pinnacle of luxury.

I don’t think it’s acceptable either, agree, but how come you didn’t criticize Rolls Royce for having cheap plastic behind the wheel, for 3-4 times the price of the S?

 

[fortuner]

I don’t think it’s acceptable either, agree, but how come you didn’t criticize Rolls Royce for having cheap plastic behind the wheel, for 3-4 times the price of the S?

Because he is only here to troll the s clas thread

 

[Mick Briesgau]

Because he is only here to troll the s clas thread

Maybe, my friend, but he does have a point though.

 

[fortuner]

Maybe, my friend, but he does have a point though.

I agree that they could have used better plastics 100 percent but as the previous thread even a car like Rolls or Bentley use lower grade in certain areas ...