EQS (V297) [Official] Mercedes-Benz EQS

[CrunchSlaughtered]

Toyota takes their time and has gotten car production down to a science. They can take cheap materials and assemble a car better than anyone. In other words their cheapest cars are just as solidly built as their most expensive. The only difference is the materials used. Mercedes used to be a stickler for build quality. Cars were sent back for correction by hand off the assembly line. Nothing was built better than an 70s-80s Mercedes. Now they cut corners and build to a price I think they’re rushing and building too many vehicles.

M

Things will get only worse. Cost cutting pressure will lead to cheaper materials and fully automated production, which needs the details to be as simple as possible.

 

[klier]

Things will get only worse. Cost cutting pressure will lead to cheaper materials and fully automated production, which needs the details to be as simple as possible.

Cost cutting measures will disappear completely when MB fuses together the normal and EQ brands. All will be the same high quality, like a BMW i7.

Now they cut corners and build to a price I think they’re rushing and building too many vehicles.

M

Rushing maybe, too many vehicles probably. But that's not why quality is down, because BMW isn't suffering from this at all; they're maybe better built than ever.

 

[Mr. Mercedes]

Cost cutting measures will disappear completely when MB fuses together the normal and EQ brands. All will be the same high quality, like a BMW i7.



Rushing maybe, too many vehicles probably. But that's not why quality is down, because BMW isn't suffering from this at all; they're maybe better built than ever.

BMW undoubtedly has the edge with robustness of build across most of their vehicles.

 

[Merc1]

Cost cutting measures will disappear completely when MB fuses together the normal and EQ brands. All will be the same high quality, like a BMW i7.



Rushing maybe, too many vehicles probably. But that's not why quality is down, because BMW isn't suffering from this at all; they're maybe better built than ever.

Not sure what any of this has to do wyth BMW. When some cars have panel gaps a mile wide and the next one doesn’t that means production isn’t even and quality is being compromised to get the cars out the door. Same thing for interior trim.

M

 

[klier]

Not sure what any of this has to do wyth BMW.

Nothing, just pointing out that a very similar company with very similar output can actually have a very high quality interior. So MB's problems here are not coming from their mass production, since BMW doesn't suffer from it.
Maybe they're actually rushing them out, but I have this feeling their production lines and suppliers need an upgrade.

 

[Mick Briesgau]

suppliers need an upgrade.

This. MB has squeezed them by now completely dry. If the these suppliers want to survive, they have to deliver sub par material. Quite logical to me. Perhaps not necessary to upgrade the suppliers. Bit less of squeezing every penny out of them, would be enough.

 

[Deleted member 57437]

German automotive industry production line employees are becoming increasingly apprehensive regarding the security of their jobs. The rapid pace of automation, incoherent corporate strategies in some cases, increasing and more efficient global competitors, a "love and hate" affair with unions (on the one side appreciative of representation and support-but on the other side fearing overzealous unions jeopardizing Germanys' status as a manufacturing base) and general mistrust towards government representatives and their policies can stifle motivation. This applies foremostly to "volume manufacturers" such as Volkswagen/Audi, BMW and M-B.

 

[klier]

German automotive industry production line employees are becoming increasingly apprehensive regarding the security of their jobs. The rapid pace of automation, incoherent corporate strategies in some cases, increasing and more efficient global competitors, a "love and hate" affair with unions (on the one side appreciative of representation and support-but on the other side fearing overzealous unions jeopardizing Germanys' status as a manufacturing base) and general mistrust towards government representatives and their policies can stifle motivation. This applies foremostly to "volume manufacturers" such as Volkswagen/Audi, BMW and M-B.

I don't want to come over as the one who always has a different opinion, but I disagree with this a lot. The security of EVERY job in the western world is on the line. This has been the case for decades, and will only get 'worse' due to worldwide competition from other skilled people, due to automation and whatever else. If you think you get a job and are set until you retire, you are living in a rose tinted past.

I also don't think there's much incoherency within or even between the giants. They're some of the biggest companies in the world and have been making cars for around 100 years. They're also all public and most of what they do is in the public domain, where it's visible for everyone to see what they do. Not much secrecy, the opposite in fact where the German plants are pretty much open to tour for the public.

"The Government" has nothing to do with it, please stop blaming everything on them. It's mostly a matter of MB squeezing out their suppliers for every cent.

 

[Deleted member 57437]

"The Government" has nothing to do with it, please stop blaming everything on them.

I can assure you that the "lines are open" between the regional governments of Lower Saxony, Baden-Württemberg and Bavaria and respective manufacturers. And incidentally, I do not recall apportioning the majority of the blame on the government. However, you are obviously correct about the squeezing of suppliers.

Do you recall accounts of rapidly deteriorating production line employee morale during Jürgen Schrempps' tenure as Daimler-Chrysler CEO ? Or those of Opel workers in light of poor GM-Detroit managment ? Or that of VW workers in Wolfsburg when purchasing director Ignacio Lopez de Arriortua squeezed suppliers so severely that once proud line workers became openly embarrassed about the quality of the Golf IIIs' leaving the production lines ?

 

[klier]

Jürgen Schrempp is like the worst words to ever utter here on GCF. He single-handedly almost destroyed the company, lol

And no doubt the lines are open with the (local) governments, much is at stake for everyone. But the quality of the interior of a German car has little to do with the government.

 

[Deleted member 57437]

Jürgen Schrempp is like the worst words to ever utter here on GCF. He single-handedly almost destroyed the company, lol

Indeed. There were few if any M-B line workers that proudly exclaimed "Isch schaff' beim Daimler" back then.

 

[klier]

Indeed. There were few if any M-B line workers that proudly exclaimed "I schaff' beim Daimler" back then.

They probably thought they were beamed to a Chrysler plant

 

[Merc1]

Nothing, just pointing out that a very similar company with very similar output can actually have a very high quality interior. So MB's problems here are not coming from their mass production, since BMW doesn't suffer from it.
Maybe they're actually rushing them out, but I have this feeling their production lines and suppliers need an upgrade.

Just because BMW doesn’t suffer from it doesn’t mean the same for Mercedes. In no way does it mean that. BMW could just be a better run company. Every since Mercedes expanded their quality has gone downhill.

M

 

[Deleted member 57437]

Every since Mercedes expanded their quality has gone downhill.

M

Daimler-Benz AG has a bit of a history of "expansion and contraction".

It took possession of the DKW/Auto Union organization in 1958 and kept it until 1964 (when Volkswagen AG took over). Then came the takeover of Hanomag-Hentschel commercial vehicles/heavy trucks in 1969 (which was later fully absorbed with the brand names disappearing). The Daimler-Benz AG/Chrysler Corp./Mitsubishi Motors/EADS conglomerate was a result of the megalomanic visions of Mssrs.Jürgen Schrempp and Edzard Reuter.

 

[dalab]

The quality "problems" of Mercedes (craking adjustments, certain materials), are not problems, they are decisions made conscientiously, when you eliminate jobs, and lower costs, you know what will happen, it's a shame because on the other hand they do it to develop cars Line the EQS expansión billions and it also looks, well.....
long-term image damage

This plus the loss of almost half a million car sales in 2021 for deciding to suspend the purchase of chips to save money, makes it clear that this new CEO has to go, he is disastrous and wagonner with him, and any company would have kicked him for much less than all this They should get it out ASAP...

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

when you eliminate jobs, and lower costs, you know what will happen, it's a shame because on the other hand they do it to develop cars Line the EQS expansión

Do you believe this BS? They do it only to increse the margine and to be awarded with bigger bonuses. The motors, inverters and the battery cells are the components that cost a lot to develope, but Daimler buys them from ZF, Siemens, CATL. The infotaiment software is outsourced to NVidea so where do go all these investments? In the ugliest body ever?

 

[Merc1]

They’re trying to keep margins at a certain percentage and therefore everything has to be done on the cheap. I think the expense comes from having to develop ICE and BEV at the same time.

M

 

[Merc1]

Do you believe this BS? They do it only to increse the margine and to be awarded with bigger bonuses. The motors, inverters and the battery cells are the components that cost a lot to develope, but Daimler buys them from ZF, Siemens, CATL. The infotaiment software is outsourced to NVidea so where do go all these investments? In the ugliest body ever?

You think buying all this shit is cheap? You think working to help develop it is cheap? It most likely isn’t. It’s still money going out the door which is the point.

M

 

[dalab]

Do you believe this BS? They do it only to increse the margine and to be awarded with bigger bonuses. The motors, inverters and the battery cells are the components that cost a lot to develope, but Daimler buys them from ZF, Siemens, CATL. The infotaiment software is outsourced to NVidea so where do go all these investments? In the ugliest body ever

Well yes, I don't know what to believe, when something is handled this badly, generally the reasons are the ones you indicate, more than anything personal benefits, it hurts that it is detrimental to the values of the brand, but once again it denotes the lack of balls of Ola to face shareholders and make good decisions

You just have to read the official report 2021 "The most valuable brand has record sales of the G-Class" it seems that they were joking

 

[Merc1]

Mercedes needs to do what Porsche did years ago. Hire some retired Toyota execs and experts to get their production house in order. It’s time for a change. How can BMW post record sales along with others while Mercedes can’t find enough parts to put their cars together?

M