E-Class (W213/C238/A238) [Official] Mercedes-Benz E-Class W213

[Monster]

Interesting, even the 4 cylinder powered E 350 can rush from 0-60 in under 6 sec. That is more than fast enough. The extra power from the E 450 doesn't translate to a faster 0-60 time.

 

[Merc1]

I hate Mercedes some times. Why would you keep tinkering with the V6 when the I6 from the CLS450 is ready for use? Ok, whatever. They better at least do the right thing and push the E53 Sedan for 2019.

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[Mr. Mercedes]

I hate Mercedes some times. Why would you keep tinkering with the V6 when the I6 from the CLS450 is ready for use? Ok, whatever. They better at least do the right thing and push the E53 Sedan for 2019.

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Staged rollout? Surplus engine blocks? Who bloody knows with these guys sometimes.

 

[Monster]

Staged rollout? Surplus engine blocks? Who bloody knows with these guys sometimes.

The only explanation I can think of is that this is more complicated than a straight engine swap, the 48v electrical system, the electric motor/generator also needed to be installed in the car as well.

 

[sako97]

An E53 W213 would be an sleeper/enthusiast's delight methinks. Cheaper and more lowkey than the CLS & GT53.

With the way MB operates, it may not roll out until the facelift in 2020... even then there'll be some catch.

 

[Mr. Mercedes]

Interesting, even the 4 cylinder powered E 350 can rush from 0-60 in under 6 sec. That is more than fast enough. The extra power from the E 450 doesn't translate to a faster 0-60 time.

Yeah but the refinement of the delivery and the engine note will probably be worlds apart between the 4 and V6.

 

[Monster]

An E53 W213 would be an sleeper/enthusiast's delight methinks. Cheaper and more lowkey than the CLS & GT53.

With the way MB operates, it may not roll out until the facelift in 2020... even then there'll be some catch.

Given MB's past history with the E class, they will roll out the new engine 1 year before the face lift to boost sales, has happened to the W211, W212.

 

[Monster]

Yeah but the refinement of the delivery and the engine note will probably be worlds apart between the 4 and V6.

Indeed, I have come to realize that after driving both cars for a while, the V6 delivers the power effortlessly, having said that with the new EQ boost assisting the engine from low revs, the power delivery should be smoother and more linear.

 

[merc4]

new engines

 

[LaArtist]

Yesss an AMG coupe

 

[Eng.ahad]

I have changed my car rear tires, originally they were 275/30/R20 run on flat, I increased the profile size to 275/35/R20 Nito.

The car is noticeably more comfortable, stability is almost the same, fuel consumption I'm guessing it will be slightly more, and I gained approximately 3 km/h in my speed indicator, originally there was a 3 km/h deviation from GPS speed, now they are exactly matching.

The car looks little bit higher from the back view, but that wont bother me and it is barely noticeable, never going back to run on flats with small profile.

I'm thinking to also change my front tires from 245/35/R20 to 245/40/R20, not sure how the car will look and if it will fit.

 

[Centurion]

I have changed my car rear tires, originally they were 275/30/R20 run on flat, I increased the profile size to 275/35/R20 Nito.

Lucky you. The transfer case would freak out and go into overdrive if I increased the size of the wheels.

Has your turning at maximum lock been affected? Will you choose 19 inch alloys next time you order a car of the same class?

 

[HUTSUTAo]

new engines

the engine in the e200 is a downgrade!

 

[Grosser]

new engines

Few interesting things I've noticed:

1. E200 is now with 1.5l M264 with same hp as 2.0l M274 (not sure about EQ boost though)
2. For E200d engine is not shown. I know current E200d is with 2.0l OM654 with 150hp and I hope they don't use Renault engine.
3. E300e EQ Power will have in my opinion 184hp+122hp just like E300de EQ power has 194hp+122hp.

 

[Eng.ahad]

Lucky you? My car is AWD and if I increase the tyre profile, the transfer case would freak out and go into overdrive.

Has your turning at maximum lock been affected? Will you choose 19 inch alloys next time you order a car of the same class?

That's an interesting point, my car is actually 4matic, I have though about it, the car is supplied with different tire sizes, if you calculate the difference in the speed between front and back original tires, it will be 469 Rev/km and 473 Rev/km.

With my current setup, it will be 469 Rev/km vs 455 Rev/km, it now has more deviation in speed between front and back, but it is below 3%, actually I'm not sure about how much load I'm introducing to the differential, but so far I don't see any handling or controlling issue.

I would like to hear your opinion guys.

 

[Centurion]

That's an interesting point, my car is actually 4matic, I have though about it, the car is supplied with different tire sizes, if you calculate the difference in the speed between front and back original tires, it will be 469 Rev/km and 473 Rev/km.

With my current setup, it will be 469 Rev/km vs 455 Rev/km, it now has more deviation in speed between front and back, but it is below 3%, actually I'm not sure about how much load I'm introducing to the differential, but so far I don't see any handling or controlling issue.

I would like to hear your opinion guys.

If your car is 4matic then you need to consult Mercedes about the sensitivity of 4matic. Mixed tyre brands, studded tyres or wrong wheel size could confuse the transfer case and inevitably break it.

@Giannis, @CrunchSlaughtered or @martinbo might be able to give a more technical explanation.

 

[Eng.ahad]

If your car is 4matic then you need to consult Mercedes about the sensitivity of 4matic. Mixed tyre brands, studded tyres or wrong wheel size could confuse the transfer case and inevitably break it.

@Giannis, @CrunchSlaughtered or @martinbo might be able to give a more technical explanation.

Thanks for the reply.

Been reading in MB forums, and I found that this discussion was opened many times.

The question was raised because all AMG packages uses different tire/wheel sizes, the circumference will be different although cars are 4matic (stock from MB), the optimum would be using the same size, but 4Matic will adapt if front and back wheels are rotating with different speeds, if the deviation is big then the system will act as if there is slip, thus the attraction system will act abnormally. The question is how far can you go with the deviation ?

I'm more relaxed because I don't feel any attraction control or stability issues, but I might be loading the 4matic system too much ?

 

[Monster]

Thanks for the reply.
Been reading in MB forums, and I found that this discussion was opened many times.
The question was raised because all AMG packages uses different tire/wheel sizes, the circumference will be different although cars are 4matic (stock from MB)

I believe the overall diameter of the wheels+tires are the same, it is matter of matching smaller wheels with a tire with a higher side profile.

, the optimum would be using the same size, but 4Matic will adapt if front and back wheels are rotating with different speeds, if the deviation is big then the system will act as if there is slip, thus the attraction system will act abnormally. The question is how far can you go with the deviation ?

I suspect the traction control system will actively apply the brakes on the wheels which the computer thinks is spinning faster than they should.

I'm more relaxed because I don't feel any attraction control or stability issues, but I might be loading the 4matic system too much ?

For me it is best to keep everything inline with the factory specification.

Btw how is your car going? How is the fuel consumption so far?

 

[Monster]

Thought I will post this here as well. I didn't think we can get these wheels in Australia, must be a special order from the dealer. In fact I haven't seen any real world photos of the car with these wheels. What do you guys think?

 

[Serpens]

They're accessory wheels here. Too much wheel and too little sidewall for me.