E-Class (W213/C238/A238) [Official] Mercedes-Benz E Class Convertible

[Mick Briesgau]

So is that 429hp or 449hp in the above info? Hopefully we'll see this at Frankfurt right? the I6 will need more power in the E Sedan if the M550i and S6 are the competition for the E50.

M

The new petrol engines with the extra 12,5 oder 15 kW, come with the 48V belt-driven startergenerator.

 

[Merc1]

The new petrol engines with the extra 12,5 oder 15 kW, come with the 48V belt-driven startergenerator.

I know that, but what is the final HP figure is what I was asking.

M

 

[BMW3GT]

So is that 429hp or 449hp in the above info? Hopefully we'll see this at Frankfurt right? the I6 will need more power in the E Sedan if the M550i and S6 are the competition for the E50.

M

It's 449hp and 750NM of torque (the electric motor delivers additional 20hp and 220NM of torque for the six-pot and 16hp and 150NM of torque for the four-cylinder).
What's interesting though, the E350 has over 300hp while having an emission cut of 25% over an comparable E300 with 240hp. This kind of gasoline engines could spell doom for the Diesel.

 

[Merc1]

It's 449hp and 750NM of torque (the electric motor delivers additional 20hp and 220NM of torque for the six-pot and 16hp and 150NM of torque for the four-cylinder).
What's interesting though, the E350 has over 300hp while having an emission cut of 25% over an comparable E300 with 240hp. This kind of gasoline engines could spell doom for the Diesel.

The E350 model in the info given, is that with an I4 or with the I6?

M

 

[BMW3GT]

The E350 model in the info given, is that with an I4 or with the I6?

M

Four banger

 

[Merc1]

That engine would be a boon for the U.S. C and E300 models at facelift time, they could become the E350 in badging again while matching the hp of the old V6. Well nearly, 300 vs 302 which is to say not a real difference. E350 (300hp I4), E400 (367hp I6), E50 with 449hp and for the sedan and wagon I guess 600+hp V8 AMG.

M

 

[BMW3GT]

That engine would be a boon for the U.S. C and E300 models at facelift time, they could become the E350 in badging again while matching the hp of the old V6. Well nearly, 300 vs 302 which is to say not a real difference. E350 (300hp I4), E400 (367hp I6), E50 with 449hp and for the sedan and wagon I guess 600+hp V8 AMG.

M

Don't forget the 16hp e-boost for the four-cylinder. So ~316hp vs 302hp

 

[Merc1]

MBUSA won't do that much power in a C300 or E300, figure on 275hp in our market.

M

 

[BMW3GT]

MBUSA won't do that much power in a C300 or E300, figure on 275hp in our market.

M

If they don't release the "full-fat" version of their engines in the U.S., they would do a big mistake IMO.
BTW make sure that all performance numbers that have been posted by @Mick Briesgau are raw numbers. They can change before the official release.

 

[Rolf]

I am surprised the E300d with more powerful version of the new OM654 has 50Nm less torque (but 27PS more power) than the previous E250d (450nm vs 500nm). The E350 is quite interesting it has the new M264 4-cylinder with 300PS and additional 12.5kw from intergrated alternator/generator, combined with really low emissions of only 127g/km (approx. 5,3lt/100km consumption). E400d 4-matic is a powerhouse with 250kw/340ps and 650nm torque, expect a 0-100kmh sprint of approx. 4,8sec. I wonder if they will bring out a more powerful version later, E450d with 300kw/408PS and 750nm torque.

 

[bum-man]

Do we know if the electric "assist" motor works across the entire operable RPM range of the ICE? I don't think you can simply add the both outputs together. I believe it only acts to mask the lag the ICE may have....

 

[GTi-6]

Any info regarding release date of new 4-pot petrol engine? Immediate release with E Cabrio?

 

[SDNR]

I think you guys are going to have get over this. Mercedes can't really build a tank anymore inside and out, no reasonably priced car is built to those old standards anymore.

M

You're right Marcus, it seems you have to pay so much more for the kind of build-level you once took for granted from Mercedes-Benz. I think this is one reason why the Maybach 57/62 was so much more expensive than an S class.

For me it's not even the hollowness as it is the on the E class here, unless you get the leather option, the door panels are not trimmed in a soft material, they are trimmed in the same plastic as used on the bottom part of the dash. Same with the coupe. The convertible has a little leather from the armrest due to the different design. IT LOOKS and FEEL CHEAP, especially when you are talking about a $55k car.

No doubt there are some compromises made on materials to keep the production costs down. There is, of course, a limit to what the market will pay for an E class convertible. Having said that, we all know that even the plastics used in a Mercedes will be carefully chosen for durability and suitability.

Precisely.

And when I speak of build and finish issues I'm not just talking about the hollow feeling of the door panels when you knock on them, I'm talking about the flex you experience when you press against the transmission tunnel with your knee, as some people do. The creaks you get when you press against the trim around the climate and radio controls. The movement that you feel on the top door trim piece when you rest your arm on the window ledge, the creak from the door handle in hot weather as you pull the door shut, the lack of material lining in the door storage pockets, the ill fitting felt lining at the base of the armrest storage etc etc.

The S obviously doesn't suffer most of these issues, but theyre pretty widespread across the range.

These lighter materials do have safety advantages in a serious car crash. The flexing panels will crumple more easily but they are designed to absorb the shock of the impact. It is the underlying structure that is designed to protect passengers and allow the doors to be opened after a serious collision. I know I'm not saying anything you don't know

The Mercedes R107 must be one of the most tank-like Mercedes ever built, but if I had to be in a serious car accident I would much rather be inside this new E class cabrio than a R107. These new vehicles are much safer over all.

 

[Merc1]

I can't link the story, E43 Convertible. Doesn't make sense really, should be E50 at this point.

2018 Mercedes-AMG E43 Cabriolet spy shots.


M

 

[Eng.ahad]

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I can't link the story, E43 Convertible. Doesn't make sense really, should be E50 at this point.

2018 Mercedes-AMG E43 Cabriolet spy shots.


M

This whole 43 line is a waste, they are not real AMGs yet MB calls them AMGs and increase the price.

if they continue that way the name of AMG will be at stake, this car deserves a 63s engine and it will be the fastest cabrio around

 

[picsoubmw]

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I can't link the story, E43 Convertible. Doesn't make sense really, should be E50 at this point.

2018 Mercedes-AMG E43 Cabriolet spy shots.


M

That's the E50, there won't be any E43 Coupe/Convertible. Likely the first car to introduce the inline-6 for North-America market.

 

[HUTSUTAo]

That engine would be a boon for the U.S. C and E300 models at facelift time, they could become the E350 in badging again while matching the hp of the old V6. Well nearly, 300 vs 302 which is to say not a real difference. E350 (300hp I4), E400 (367hp I6), E50 with 449hp and for the sedan and wagon I guess 600+hp V8 AMG.

M

I guess there will be a e300 in future using the m264 engine as well. It will likely produce 200kw or 272ps.
Strange to see that Mercedes is still hanging on to the old m274 and M276 engine. Don't see the point of keeping the e400 when the e350 is much cleaner and almost on par in performance.

 

[GTi-6]

Translated from Jesmb.de with Google Translate.

E 350 with R4: The top variant of the new M264, which is based on the previous M274, comes in the autumn in the E-Coupé and E-Cabrio. Shortly afterwards it follows also in the sedan and the T-model. Like the M256 R6 petrol engine, it also has a twin scroll turbocharger. Instead of an ISG comes an RSG (belt starter generator). It starts the engine faster than a starter (but is not as complex as an ISG) and is designed as a so-called pendulum belt drive. This reduces the load on recuperation and boosting, since it always turns to the appropriate side. The recuperation capacity is 16 hp. It can boast with a maximum of 13.6 hp or 160 nm. The engine produces 299 hp and 400 NM and consumes 5.5 liters (approximately 25% less than before) in the E-Cabrio. The water pump (maximum 550 watts) runs electrically and can be controlled finely. In contrast to the E-Klima the air-conditioning system is conventionally driven in the M256. The acceleration is indicated with 5.9 s to 100 km / h. New engine bearings should also equalize the 4-cylinder typical NVH disadvantages with a 6-cylinder.

 

[Monster]

This whole 43 line is a waste, they are not real AMGs yet MB calls them AMGs and increase the price.

if they continue that way the name of AMG will be at stake, this car deserves a 63s engine and it will be the fastest cabrio around

I was skeptical at first, but after I drove the C 43, GLC 43 and the GLE 43, I came around and think these cars can pass as AMG cars. Their performance isn't that far off from the previous gen AMG cars anyway.

 

[domleo999]

I was skeptical at first, but after I drove the C 43, GLC 43 and the GLE 43, I came around and think these cars can pass as AMG cars. Their performance isn't that far off from the previous gen AMG cars anyway.

A C43 sounds amazing for a 6 pot, I even dare to say it sounds better than an M3/M4 (doesn't drive better though )