AMG ONE [Official] Mercedes-AMG Project ONE

[Bridster]

I wonder if the project one can match the GT3 race cars on the track?

Maybe. We still don't know what the final stats are and it's hard to say without knowing either power or weight. What we know is the claimed downforce - 675kg at 250km/h. Which is a lot for a road car, but for example less than what Mclaren is claiming for the Senna (800kg). GT3 cars have 1000-1200kg of downforce. With slicks, that translates to 2.17-2.36G cornering, while the AMG One on street tires would be at 1.43G, and at 1.79G with slicks. However, GT3 cars have relatively poor power to weight (370PS/t with driver and fuel), while the AMG One will probably have around 750-800PS/t. So much faster on straights, much slower in corners.

To be as fast as GT3 cars, the AMG One would have to be 7s faster around a 2min track than the Senna. Which I guess is possible, but far from guaranteed. If it does end up being than GT3 cars then I definitely wouldn't expect it to be much faster. My personal guess is that on street tires, on the majority of tracks, it's gonna be a bit slower. But with slicks - ie. equal tires - it would actually be a bit faster.

 

[Bridster]

The AMG GT Black Nordschleife time was about 5-10 secs off a GT3 car in race trim, and that was on road legal tyres. I'd imagine the One should be able to make up the difference.

I wouldn't bring manufacturer conducted Nordschleife laps into it. They run the cars in a non-road legal setup, with absurd camber angles, tire heaters and who knows what else. Very little to do with customer spec cars as they are gonna be driven around.

 

[Matski]

I wouldn't bring manufacturer conducted Nordschleife laps into it. They run the cars in a non-road legal setup, with absurd camber angles, tire heaters and who knows what else. Very little to do with customer spec cars as they are gonna be driven around.

Any comparable GT3 lap time is going to have been run with a track specific set-up, I don't think it would be unfair to allow a street car the same opportunity for any hypothetical comparison provided adjustments made are to component that are sold as adjustable. If we make the comparison too 'real world' it becomes irrelevant... the customers getting the customer spec cars are unlikely to be able to hustle anything like as quickly as Pro GT drivers such as Maro Engel or Romain Dumas anyway.

I agree with your conclusion though. It's likely to be circuit dependent, rather than out right quicker...

... which would be yet another example of why I dislike this class of car. If you're a Mercedes fan, and want to go fast around a track, buy and AMG GT3 for an eighth of the price, and do it properly.

 

[Dilusha]

Maybe. We still don't know what the final stats are and it's hard to say without knowing either power or weight. What we know is the claimed downforce - 675kg at 250km/h. Which is a lot for a road car, but for example less than what Mclaren is claiming for the Senna (800kg). GT3 cars have 1000-1200kg of downforce. With slicks, that translates to 2.17-2.36G cornering, while the AMG One on street tires would be at 1.43G, and at 1.79G with slicks. However, GT3 cars have relatively poor power to weight (370PS/t with driver and fuel), while the AMG One will probably have around 750-800PS/t. So much faster on straights, much slower in corners.

To be as fast as GT3 cars, the AMG One would have to be 7s faster around a 2min track than the Senna. Which I guess is possible, but far from guaranteed. If it does end up being than GT3 cars then I definitely wouldn't expect it to be much faster. My personal guess is that on street tires, on the majority of tracks, it's gonna be a bit slower. But with slicks - ie. equal tires - it would actually be a bit faster.

Well Moers said it's much faster than a GT3 race car. And downforce isn't everything either. Nio EP9 has 2.5 tons of those at 240kmph. But it's slower than a Senna. And Project One is AWD. But the Senna and GT3 cars are only RWD. So I think an AWD 1200HP car that weighs around 1300KG is more than enough to go under 6:30 at the ring. And eventually they'll try to beat Bellof's 6:11, which I think is possible.

 

[Bridster]

Any comparable GT3 lap time is going to have been run with a track specific set-up, I don't think it would be unfair to allow a street car the same opportunity for any hypothetical comparison provided adjustments made are to component that are sold as adjustable. If we make the comparison too 'real world' it becomes irrelevant... the customers getting the customer spec cars are unlikely to be able to hustle anything like as quickly as Pro GT drivers such as Maro Engel or Romain Dumas anyway.

I agree with your conclusion though. It's likely to be circuit dependent, rather than out right quicker...

... which would be yet another example of why I dislike this class of car. If you're a Mercedes fan, and want to go fast around a track, buy and AMG GT3 for an eighth of the price, and do it properly.

Well, if the question was whether the Mercedes conducted Nordschleife lap of the AMG One is gonna be faster than what a GT3 car could manage around there, then I would definitely say yes. I don't think that's gonna necessarily translate to other circuits with independently conducted laps, though.

Well Moers said it's much faster than a GT3 race car. And downforce isn't everything either. Nio EP9 has 2.5 tons of those at 240kmph. But it's slower than a Senna. And Project One is AWD. But the Senna and GT3 cars are only RWD. So I think an AWD 1200HP car that weighs around 1300KG is more than enough to go under 6:30 at the ring. And eventually they'll try to beat Bellof's 6:11, which I think is possible.

What I think he said was, that it's "like a GT3 car on fast forward," or something along those lines. Which wouldn't necessarily mean all round lap time, but could just mean straight line speed. You really need to read carefully around the marketing statements.

Yes, downforce is not everything, that's why I provide the G figures. The Nio EP9 is very heavy, so with driver on board, it "only" gets to 2.46G on street tires and about 3G on slicks. Well, it would if the downforce claim was credible at all. Based on how the car looks and based on the lap times it posted, the downforce claim is almost certainly an outrageous exaggeration.

I do think that 6:30 for a full lap is possible for the AMG One, maybe 6:20 even - provided it's Mercedes conducted lap, of course. 6:11 is out of the question.

 

[Dilusha]

Well, if the question was whether the Mercedes conducted Nordschleife lap of the AMG One is gonna be faster than what a GT3 car could manage around there, then I would definitely say yes. I don't think that's gonna necessarily translate to other circuits with independently conducted laps, though.

What I think he said was, that it's "like a GT3 car on fast forward," or something along those lines. Which wouldn't necessarily mean all round lap time, but could just mean straight line speed. You really need to read carefully around the marketing statements.

Yes, downforce is not everything, that's why I provide the G figures. The Nio EP9 is very heavy, so with driver on board, it "only" gets to 2.46G on street tires and about 3G on slicks. Well, it would if the downforce claim was credible at all. Based on how the car looks and based on the lap times it posted, the downforce claim is almost certainly an outrageous exaggeration.

I do think that 6:30 for a full lap is possible for the AMG One, maybe 6:20 even - provided it's Mercedes conducted lap, of course. 6:11 is out of the question.

Why is 6:11 out of the question?

 

[Bridster]

Why is 6:11 out of the question?

Well, ok, let me rephrase that then: I think it's a very low chance. We are talking full, 20.832 km laps. The AMG GT Black Series has done 6:48, which is 37s slower. I don't think the AMG One is gonna be 37s faster, although you are right, I guess it's not "out of the question." Especially since we still don't know the full specs. The problem on the Nordschleife for the AMG One is gonna be the same as for the other hybrids, though - the battery is not gonna last a full lap, or it's not gonna provide full power for the whole lap. And since the engine in the AMG One is only supposed to provide 680PS out of the expected ~1250PS, it's gonna rely on that electric power a great deal more than the 918 did. As a result you can't regard it as a full on 1250PS car as you could for shorter circuits. So I don't think that 6:11 is on the cards.

 

[WBarnes]

6:11 takes driver commitment of the kind few are willing to give outside the confines of Gran Turismo. Stefan Bellof did 6:11 at the 'ring, he also crashed and died there.

 

[Dilusha]

Well, ok, let me rephrase that then: I think it's a very low chance. We are talking full, 20.832 km laps. The AMG GT Black Series has done 6:48, which is 37s slower. I don't think the AMG One is gonna be 37s faster, although you are right, I guess it's not "out of the question." Especially since we still don't know the full specs. The problem on the Nordschleife for the AMG One is gonna be the same as for the other hybrids, though - the battery is not gonna last a full lap, or it's not gonna provide full power for the whole lap. And since the engine in the AMG One is only supposed to provide 680PS out of the expected ~1250PS, it's gonna rely on that electric power a great deal more than the 918 did. As a result you can't regard it as a full on 1250PS car as you could for shorter circuits. So I don't think that 6:11 is on the cards.

We only have some really old information to talk about. And unfortunately none of us are owners or engineers of Project One. But we don't have to wait a lot longer. Just a couple of months. So fingers crossed!

 

[StartYourEngines]

6:11 takes driver commitment of the kind few are willing to give outside the confines of Gran Turismo. Stefan Bellof did 6:11 at the 'ring, he also crashed and died there.

Actually, the great and legendary driver Stefan Bellof sadly died at Spa.

 

[hostboy]

The new name is Mercedes-AMG ONE and I heard it will make around 1250 hp. Buh bye Aston Martin Valkyrie!

 

[WBarnes]

Actually, the great and legendary driver Stefan Bellof sadly died at Spa.

So he did, it still speaks to his commitment though. Seul les braves.

 

[Bridster]

Not gonna lie, this is pretty cringe. How about they reveal the final specs already? The car is supposed to start production in the next quarter and we still have basically no technical details. But no, let's just have more scripted nonsense .

 

[bmwz4coupe]

I am also getting tired of watching videos of Lewis sitting on the car, like if he is supposed to be so involved in the project... If he is the man behind this car, well then send him out in a timed lap around the ring, Mercedes...! Come on, be a little brave!

 

[fortuner]

I am also getting tired of watching videos of Lewis sitting on the car, like if he is supposed to be so involved in the project... If he is the man behind this car, well then send him out in a timed lap around the ring, Mercedes...! Come on, be a little brave!

I don't see the issue if Hamilton in the clips..

Its called marketing

You have the 7 time World champion 2021 may make him most successful in history of f1 ...he already has most wins and so on..

The car is based on f1 why not use your World champion and market him work the car..

I don't know why Lewis gets so much hate in general

In my view its how you market a car like this .

I even remember Mercedes use Schumacher do a video on the SLS

 

[Centurion]

Not gonna lie, this is pretty cringe. How about they reveal the final specs already? The car is supposed to start production in the next quarter and we still have basically no technical details. But no, let's just have more scripted nonsense .

This dragged on release reminds me of the NSX and LF-A.

Zzzzzzzzzzz

 

[bmwz4coupe]

I don't see the issue if Hamilton in the clips..

Its called marketing

You have the 7 time World champion 2021 may make him most successful in history of f1 ...he already has most wins and so on..

The car is based on f1 why not use your World champion and market him work the car..

I don't know why Lewis gets so much hate in general

In my view its how you market a car like this .

I even remember Mercedes use Schumacher do a video on the SLS

Of course this is good old marketing bullshit. They also used Schumacher on the Ferrari Enzo. I am just so annoyed by these easy basic marketing methods.
And of course they would never risk letting Hamilton do a timed lap on the ring. He would also for sure be slower than the Mercedes test drivers since they know the ring and are used to lap road cars.
....and this is a critic against Mercedes not Hamilton, he is just doing what he is contractual obliged to do.

 

[leylandi]

nurburgring

 

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