AMG ONE [Official] Mercedes-AMG Project ONE

[klier]

How so?

I will have to look up the link, but I read it in a financial report. BMW's profit margins rose even steeper than MB's in fact, but both did (are doing) really well.
It's a combination of Covid, less inventory, more exclusivity and whatever else they said.

 

[LaArtist]

There is plenty to a car besides the engine that can trickle down to the normal cars as in the case of the carrera gt. Not to mention the knowledge gathered putting such a project on the road can’t be measured.

so I say enjoy it and don’t hate

 

[hoffmeister_fan]

I will have to look up the link, but I read it in a financial report. BMW's profit margins rose even steeper than MB's in fact, but both did (are doing) really well.
It's a combination of Covid, less inventory, more exclusivity and whatever else they said.

Ok, I thought you were referring to the One's per-unit margins not the brand as a whole.

There is plenty to a car besides the engine that can trickle down to the normal cars as in the case of the carrera gt. Not to mention the knowledge gathered putting such a project on the road can’t be measured.

so I say enjoy it and don’t hate

Yeah, I am looking forward to the One and I agree a car is more than its engine.

However, regardless of what badge it wears, if I have some misgivings about a car or an aspect of it, I am not a hating. And the One's major selling point is an F1-derived 1.6L turbo V6. So it's AMG themselves that are emphasizing their powertrain.

While I am curious to see how this turns out, I have some misgivings about it. Seeing it in motions in videos have allayed some concern, but this is an approach that is still fairly risky and can result in car that either spectacular or spectacularly bad. While I wouldn't bet against those in Stuttgart or Affelterbach, they aren't infallible.

 

[klier]

Ok, I thought you were referring to the One's per-unit margins not the brand as a whole.

Speaking of that, I read the Monza Sp1/2 makes around 650 million in profits for 499 (?) units. Astounding.

 

[Centurion]

Speaking of that, I read the Monza Sp1/2 makes around 650 million in profits for 499 (?) units. Astounding.

The SP1/2 isn't a fair comparison because it's a re-skinned 812 Superfast with low incremental costs but astronomically high profits. Ferrari charge arm and leg for a stripe of paint or CF in place of cheap glossy plastic on the exterior.

 

[KiwiRob]

Its like its a f#cking novel idea to bring a senseless hyper car to the market. Some of you are acting like this is the first time in automotive history this is happening , get the f outta here.

I can list 400 damn cars from the last 100 years that made no sense what so ever and
Still people love them and they are what dreams are made off.
But nooooo let’s act like this is the first one ever and start debating the philosophy and greater f#cking meaning of it all ...

Long damn posts where you question the sensibility of a hyper car as if any sports car makes a sense...

It’s like debating the necessity and size of silicone tits and turn your nose and scuff when it’s above 400g per titty of silicone but anything below hey ho rejoice!

the amount of bullshit is astounding sometimes I wonder if some of you believe it yourself? Jesus

Or it can just be like I said all along,
It f#cks with your fanboy egos that your fav
brands remain pathetic in the world of hyper cars and you can’t swallow it so you come
Up with shit like this to help you sleep, and your wettest dream is that a car like this fails and the project burns to the ground.

whatever it is , it’s f#cked up!

How about applauding an endeavor like this ? How about being excited to see if something like this is even feasible, how about rooting for the ones that dare put them self in a situation like this ? Instead of bitching and moaning telling us that they could have finished the project with a normal engine and it would be fast enough ?
And they call themselves car enthusiasts, petrol heads and what not.. bitch please!

PS
If this post makes you feel violated, then yes it’s you I’m taking to

can you post the list, I’d like to see all 400.

 

[LaArtist]

can you post the list, I’d like to see all 400.

Has bmw made 400 models in their history to date ? If so put them on your list , and they are not even super cars but still f#ckin useless.

 

[DjordjeC63]

Porsche's 919 Hybrid Evo - emphatically closer in concept to the AMG One than a Formula 1 car - is a blisteringly fast circuit car that wasn't ever remotely considered for road car adaptation. Why not? Surely this would be a prime opportunity for Porsche to deliver a supremely fast road car - even if it was considerably modified for road-use - that would lay claim to all kinds of superlatives? They didn't because it just doesn't make sense.

However Dauer did something like that with 962

And Koenig

 

[WBarnes]

However Dauer did something like that with 962

And Koenig

I had a copy of World Sportscar with the C62 in - 800hp, 1100kg.

 

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[Centurion]

^^
The aero and noise. Wow

The car will be 100% worth the wait.

 

[Merc1]

Mercedes-Benz service departments are going to love/hate it lol.

M

 

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The world's most expensive lowrider.

 

[Bridster]

New Mercedes-AMG One hypercar production to begin in 2022

Still in September Mercedes said that they "were fighting for production start in 2021". As we know, they've lost that fight and the car was delayed to 2022. But if you thought that meant start of production in January or something like that, wrong again! The new date is "around the middle of [2022]." Basically almost another year added to the development time. To do what exactly? Catch all the software gremlins? Who knows. Either way, this means there is now a realistic chance that the T.50 (unveiled in 2020) will come out before this car (unveiled in 2017).

 

[manuelf]

In the end ... who cares? The very few future owners have enough other toys to play with ... from an investment perspective it is also neglectable ... if the are going to sell it in some years, who cares about the initial delay?
It is most likely only relevant to "fans", who can't afford one anyhow?

 

[Bridster]

In the end ... who cares? The very few future owners have enough other toys to play with ... from an investment perspective it is also neglectable ... if the are going to sell it in some years, who cares about the initial delay?
It is most likely only relevant to "fans", who can't afford one anyhow?

Does the delay matter? I think it does.

If you are someone who ordered one and paid $500k deposit, you'd want the money back sooner rather than later. Much less 3 years later. If the people who ordered the AMG One weren't supremely annoyed at all the delays now, I would be very surprised. And this is gonna carry to any future Mercedes purchases they might - or now might not - make.

Even to a casual observer, MB's inability to bring the project to completion after 6 years of development (as complicated and unusual as it might be), puts into question their engineering competence. Maybe that's unfair because with a car this complicated it might have been the best anyone could have done, but that's something we can't really know. So the doubt remains.

This might be the first time in years that MB are not gonna win the F1 driver's or constructor's championship. Releasing a road car that exists specifically to connect their F1 success to the road right after they fail, would be a pretty unfortunate timing.

Lastly and most importantly, the automotive world doesn't stand still. If released in 2019 as originally planned, this would have blown absolutely everything out of the water and be the top dog for many years to come. However, released in 2022, this will be much less so. Already now the acceleration of the car has been beaten by the Rimac Nevera and if it manages to do 0-200km/h in 6s it's gonna be only a bit faster than the Model S Plaid. The Lotus Evija is gonna be faster as well. If the new generation of Porsche/Ferrari/Mclaren hypercars comes, as expected, roughly 10 years after the previous one, from 2022 it's gonna be only 1-2 years before new cars appear that will likely beat it in everything. And with hybrid Lamborghinis (and likely other brands as well) coming in 2023, we might soon have cars that are perhaps not quite as fast, but close enough and with much lower price and much better usability. That's what the delay has done.

 

[Centurion]

Does the delay matter? I think it does.

If you are someone who ordered one and paid $500k deposit, you'd want the money back sooner rather than later. Much less 3 years later. If the people who ordered the AMG One weren't supremely annoyed at all the delays now, I would be very surprised. And this is gonna carry to any future Mercedes purchases they might - or now might not - make.

Even to a casual observer, MB's inability to bring the project to completion after 6 years of development (as complicated and unusual as it might be), puts into question their engineering competence. Maybe that's unfair because with a car this complicated it might have been the best anyone could have done, but that's something we can't really know. So the doubt remains.

This might be the first time in years that MB are not gonna win the F1 driver's or constructor's championship. Releasing a road car that exists specifically to connect their F1 success to the road right after they fail, would be a pretty unfortunate timing.

Lastly and most importantly, the automotive world doesn't stand still. If released in 2019 as originally planned, this would have blown absolutely everything out of the water and be the top dog for many years to come. However, released in 2022, this will be much less so. Already now the acceleration of the car has been beaten by the Rimac Nevera and if it manages to do 0-200km/h in 6s it's gonna be only a bit faster than the Model S Plaid. The Lotus Evija is gonna be faster as well. If the new generation of Porsche/Ferrari/Mclaren hypercars comes, as expected, roughly 10 years after the previous one, from 2022 it's gonna be only 1-2 years before new cars appear that will likely beat it in everything. And with hybrid Lamborghinis (and likely other brands as well) coming in 2023, we might soon have cars that are perhaps not quite as fast, but close enough and with much lower price and much better usability. That's what the delay has done.

What do you think will be the car's strenght? Down force, design, driver enjoyment, acceleration, top speed, lap time or hyper GT capabilities?

 

[Bridster]

What do you think will be the car's strenght? Down force, design, driver enjoyment, acceleration, top speed, lap time or hyper GT capabilities?

Well, definitely not hyper GT capabilities. The car is loud enough inside that test drivers have been spotted wearing earplugs and there doesn't appear to be any luggage space whatsoever. At the back there is the engine, the wing and the top NACA ducts, and at the front there is the large S-duct and electric motors.

Design wise it's not the greatest looking car in the world. I used to think that the design wasn't half bad - harking back to the CLK GTR, but after seeing it for a few years, in the real world it looks rather misshapen and unsexy. It's not a complete disaster, but not a strength, that's for sure. The interior is also kinda disappointing with way too many off the shelf MB parts and switches.

As far as driver enjoyment and handling go, I think it should be pretty good. That said, what does that really mean in that segment and at that price? It's gonna have a very precise steering, quick turn in and a lot of grip everywhere, there is no doubt about that. However, it's probably gonna be way too overtired for road driving and mostly set up for the track, so I wouldn't expect this to be that much fun on your favorite road. Impressive, competent and blisteringly fast? Sure. Built for driver enjoyment? Probably not so much, at least not to the point of other cars like the T.50. What this car is, really, is a technology demonstrator and a flagship product above everything else. That's gonna dictate where the focus is gonna be. It's not being built to showcase that Mercedes can make the most lightweight, tactile, joyous, small little drift craft. It's being built to showcase MB's superiority - which is best done through objective things like acceleration and lap times. Speaking of which...

The acceleration, depending on how the spec looks now (the fact that they still haven't revealed them doesn't exactly inspire confidence), should be pretty good and definitely one of the strong points of the car. But, as I said, not as strong as it would be several years back. If they can go under 6s to 200km/h it should safely be the second fastest production car in the world (unless the Evija comes out first), but, if the specs got diluted and it takes over 6s, then that's getting dangerously close to the Plaid, the Chiron, the SF90, the 918 and possibly a slew of upcoming cars. With a car this expensive (about 3x as expensive as the hypercars from 2014) and this focused on performance, there should be a clear gap between it and the rabble below.

That leaves us with the lap time. I already commented that I expect the N-time to be around 6:20-6:40 (for a full lap). It should be the current fastest production car, with the exception of the Valkyrie. That's quite the exception for sure, but that car is gonna be even less usable and drivable than this so maybe it's not such a problem. The main question, as with the acceleration, is: is it gonna be faster enough to justify the loudness and harshness and the price? If it's only 2-3s faster than the Senna (which came out in 2018) round a 1:30 track, is it really worth it then? Probably not. If, however, it is 5s+ faster, then you could certainly make a case.

The performance really remains to be seen, because - as you would expect with cars that chase it over everything else - I don't see much else that this car offers. Yes, the bragging rights that you have an F1 engine in your car, but from a technical point of view, the engine is a huge weakness (I think I already commented on that more than once). Returning back to the delay, it really has hurt this car. If it comes out and the performance, whether in straight line or on track, is only marginally better than the SF90 which undercuts this car massively on price and is not even limited, then the reputation of the car is doomed. We have now waited for so long that the final product needs to be pretty spectacular and way above anything else in the sector. If the car came out in 2019 as planned and was marginally better, then maybe we could have simply been happy that we have another great, unique car to discuss and marvel at, but now I feel like it's gonna have to pull a couple of aces out of its sleeve to satisfy everyone's expectations.

 

[bmwz4coupe]

Well, definitely not hyper GT capabilities. The car is loud enough inside that test drivers have been spotted wearing earplugs and there doesn't appear to be any luggage space whatsoever. At the back there is the engine, the wing and the top NACA ducts, and at the front there is the large S-duct and electric motors.

Design wise it's not the greatest looking car in the world. I used to think that the design wasn't half bad - harking back to the CLK GTR, but after seeing it for a few years, in the real world it looks rather misshapen and unsexy. It's not a complete disaster, but not a strength, that's for sure. The interior is also kinda disappointing with way too many off the shelf MB parts and switches.

As far as driver enjoyment and handling go, I think it should be pretty good. That said, what does that really mean in that segment and at that price? It's gonna have a very precise steering, quick turn in and a lot of grip everywhere, there is no doubt about that. However, it's probably gonna be way too overtired for road driving and mostly set up for the track, so I wouldn't expect this to be that much fun on your favorite road. Impressive, competent and blisteringly fast? Sure. Built for driver enjoyment? Probably not so much, at least not to the point of other cars like the T.50. What this car is, really, is a technology demonstrator and a flagship product above everything else. That's gonna dictate where the focus is gonna be. It's not being built to showcase that Mercedes can make the most lightweight, tactile, joyous, small little drift craft. It's being built to showcase MB's superiority - which is best done through objective things like acceleration and lap times. Speaking of which...

The acceleration, depending on how the spec looks now (the fact that they still haven't revealed them doesn't exactly inspire confidence), should be pretty good and definitely one of the strong points of the car. But, as I said, not as strong as it would be several years back. If they can go under 6s to 200km/h it should safely be the second fastest production car in the world (unless the Evija comes out first), but, if the specs got diluted and it takes over 6s, then that's getting dangerously close to the Plaid, the Chiron, the SF90, the 918 and possibly a slew of upcoming cars. With a car this expensive (about 3x as expensive as the hypercars from 2014) and this focused on performance, there should be a clear gap between it and the rabble below.

That leaves us with the lap time. I already commented that I expect the N-time to be around 6:20-6:40 (for a full lap). It should be the current fastest production car, with the exception of the Valkyrie. That's quite the exception for sure, but that car is gonna be even less usable and drivable than this so maybe it's not such a problem. The main question, as with the acceleration, is: is it gonna be faster enough to justify the loudness and harshness and the price? If it's only 2-3s faster than the Senna (which came out in 2018) round a 1:30 track, is it really worth it then? Probably not. If, however, it is 5s+ faster, then you could certainly make a case.

The performance really remains to be seen, because - as you would expect with cars that chase it over everything else - I don't see much else that this car offers. Yes, the bragging rights that you have an F1 engine in your car, but from a technical point of view, the engine is a huge weakness (I think I already commented on that more than once). Returning back to the delay, it really has hurt this car. If it comes out and the performance, whether in straight line or on track, is only marginally better than the SF90 which undercuts this car massively on price and is not even limited, then the reputation of the car is doomed. We have now waited for so long that the final product needs to be pretty spectacular and way above anything else in the sector. If the car came out in 2019 as planned and was marginally better, then maybe we could have simply been happy that we have another great, unique car to discuss and marvel at, but now I feel like it's gonna have to pull a couple of aces out of its sleeve to satisfy everyone's expectations.

This was not exactly only positive remarks on this car from your side, so just for you to know; you are now on the Mercedes-boys «hate»-list (if you where not there already). Welcome to the club!
We have reached a stage where the most interesting thing about this car now is the question if it will be further delayed? Will it really come in mid-2022 or will it be even more delayed?
I am sure Mercedes are very aware of the damage the delay is causing to this car as you pointed out and I am sure they are working as hell now to get it ready. I am wondering if they now try to improve the performance to compensate for the delay? But then it will be further delayed I guess…

 

[Centurion]

Well, definitely not hyper GT capabilities. The car is loud enough inside that test drivers have been spotted wearing earplugs and there doesn't appear to be any luggage space whatsoever. At the back there is the engine, the wing and the top NACA ducts, and at the front there is the large S-duct and electric motors.

Design wise it's not the greatest looking car in the world. I used to think that the design wasn't half bad - harking back to the CLK GTR, but after seeing it for a few years, in the real world it looks rather misshapen and unsexy. It's not a complete disaster, but not a strength, that's for sure. The interior is also kinda disappointing with way too many off the shelf MB parts and switches.

As far as driver enjoyment and handling go, I think it should be pretty good. That said, what does that really mean in that segment and at that price? It's gonna have a very precise steering, quick turn in and a lot of grip everywhere, there is no doubt about that. However, it's probably gonna be way too overtired for road driving and mostly set up for the track, so I wouldn't expect this to be that much fun on your favorite road. Impressive, competent and blisteringly fast? Sure. Built for driver enjoyment? Probably not so much, at least not to the point of other cars like the T.50. What this car is, really, is a technology demonstrator and a flagship product above everything else. That's gonna dictate where the focus is gonna be. It's not being built to showcase that Mercedes can make the most lightweight, tactile, joyous, small little drift craft. It's being built to showcase MB's superiority - which is best done through objective things like acceleration and lap times. Speaking of which...

The acceleration, depending on how the spec looks now (the fact that they still haven't revealed them doesn't exactly inspire confidence), should be pretty good and definitely one of the strong points of the car. But, as I said, not as strong as it would be several years back. If they can go under 6s to 200km/h it should safely be the second fastest production car in the world (unless the Evija comes out first), but, if the specs got diluted and it takes over 6s, then that's getting dangerously close to the Plaid, the Chiron, the SF90, the 918 and possibly a slew of upcoming cars. With a car this expensive (about 3x as expensive as the hypercars from 2014) and this focused on performance, there should be a clear gap between it and the rabble below.

That leaves us with the lap time. I already commented that I expect the N-time to be around 6:20-6:40 (for a full lap). It should be the current fastest production car, with the exception of the Valkyrie. That's quite the exception for sure, but that car is gonna be even less usable and drivable than this so maybe it's not such a problem. The main question, as with the acceleration, is: is it gonna be faster enough to justify the loudness and harshness and the price? If it's only 2-3s faster than the Senna (which came out in 2018) round a 1:30 track, is it really worth it then? Probably not. If, however, it is 5s+ faster, then you could certainly make a case.

The performance really remains to be seen, because - as you would expect with cars that chase it over everything else - I don't see much else that this car offers. Yes, the bragging rights that you have an F1 engine in your car, but from a technical point of view, the engine is a huge weakness (I think I already commented on that more than once). Returning back to the delay, it really has hurt this car. If it comes out and the performance, whether in straight line or on track, is only marginally better than the SF90 which undercuts this car massively on price and is not even limited, then the reputation of the car is doomed. We have now waited for so long that the final product needs to be pretty spectacular and way above anything else in the sector. If the car came out in 2019 as planned and was marginally better, then maybe we could have simply been happy that we have another great, unique car to discuss and marvel at, but now I feel like it's gonna have to pull a couple of aces out of its sleeve to satisfy everyone's expectations.

Details and fair assessment. The LFA and hybrid NSX spring to mind. Their development was so drawn out that when the cars launched their performance was average and nowhere near the top end of their segments.

Then we have the E60 M5 with an SMG and V10. Sexy F1 tech but it's rarely mentioned in the context of the greatest cars to drive.......or live with. The engine drivetrain was extremely short lived.

If the Senna is considered a car with high NHV, the I expect the AMG One to edge towards unbearable if the primary objective is to set laptime records. The lack of performance stats is to be expected if Mercedes are still optiming the car for performance against reliability and repeatability.

However $2-3m is not bad value for a car that comes with "money can't buy perks" perks and is limited to less than 300 cars.

I am sick and tired of seeing the car in silver but love the way it looks in burgundy. Looking forward to driving it in Forza Horizon 5.