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Very Impressive to be so close to the Senna, but it is mainly thanks to the Cup 2 R tyres which are much grippier than Senna’s normal Cup 2. Remember the Senna is more powerful, much lighter, and also has a lot of downforce.
GT (C190) [Official] Mercedes-AMG GT Black Series
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The Mercedes-AMG GT (C190) is the first generation 2-door sports cars produced by Mercedes-AMG. Body styles: C190 (coupé), R190 (roadster). It is succedeed by the Mercedes-AMG GT (C192) - coupé, and the Mercedes-AMG SL-Class (R232) - roadster. Production: October 2014 – September 2022; 2021–2023 (AMG GT Black Series; 2022 (AMG GT Track Series; Limited 55 units).
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You mean Senna's Pirelli Trofeo R tyres?
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Sorry, yes you are right. But normal Cup 2 and Trofeo R are similar tyres.
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Yes also the tester said in Senna test that Trofeo R are not on Cup 2 R level.
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Correct, it’s far behind the Cup 2 R. This is a really extrem tyre
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And those are not even the "normal" Cup 2 R tires, it's MB's own special tire with an even softer compound. It's more like Cup 2 RR in terms of grip. You can see that really clearly when looking at the max cornering G and the braking distances. That's all down to tire grip and downforce - and with 400kg of downforce (at 250km/h) the GT BS is not that much above rivals. GT3RS has 313kg, GT2RS 289kg, Huracan STO 360kg, 765LT 302kg and so on. So yeah, it has a bit more, but it's also a lot heavier. In this case I would say the tire is the deciding factor.
I do wonder what's gonna happen on that front as well. The tires have been getting more and more extreme but it's making less and less sense. The tire you would pick for daily driving would be the PS4S. It still has very good grip, very good handling, but also very good wet performance, doesn't wear out quickly and doesn't cost a fortune. But we are so many steps beyond that now. You can now get the Cup 2 for your track tire... But then that's not enough, so you can get the Cup 2 R. But then that's still not enough and every manufacturer is now coming out with their own special version of that, trying to squeeze out every last bit of performance they can - even though the only thing these tires are good for is setting a lap time for a magazine and are even designed to give the best performance on lap one (which is like 1s faster), with the performance dropping for the rest of the laps. It might not be long before some manufacturer demands a tire from Michelin (or anyone) that's as fast as a slick, but disintegrates after one lap. And what exactly will that lap time show? That's anyone's guess.
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Agree, this tyre evolution don’t make sense anymore. These Cup 2 R tyres are actually very dangerous to use for many. I have seen 100-0 brake distance of over 40 meters when cold and I don’t even want to think how they are when it starts to rain. The grip changes very rapidly when the conditions change and these should only be used by competent people and on non-public circuit. I don’t quite understand how these tyres can be road legal. But they are. And this is the whole point, there is a war between manufacteurs of who is fastest with road legal tyres. I like to follow this war but these R tyres are over-the-top IMO.And those are not even the "normal" Cup 2 R tires, it's MB's own special tire with an even softer compound. It's more like Cup 2 RR in terms of grip. You can see that really clearly when looking at the max cornering G and the braking distances. That's all down to tire grip and downforce - and with 400kg of downforce (at 250km/h) the GT BS is not that much above rivals. GT3RS has 313kg, GT2RS 289kg, Huracan STO 360kg, 765LT 302kg and so on. So yeah, it has a bit more, but it's also a lot heavier. In this case I would say the tire is the deciding factor.
I do wonder what's gonna happen on that front as well. The tires have been getting more and more extreme but it's making less and less sense. The tire you would pick for daily driving would be the PS4S. It still has very good grip, very good handling, but also very good wet performance, doesn't wear out quickly and doesn't cost a fortune. But we are so many steps beyond that now. You can now get the Cup 2 for your track tire... But then that's not enough, so you can get the Cup 2 R. But then that's still not enough and every manufacturer is now coming out with their own special version of that, trying to squeeze out every last bit of performance they can - even though the only thing these tires are good for is setting a lap time for a magazine and are even designed to give the best performance on lap one (which is like 1s faster), with the performance dropping for the rest of the laps. It might not be long before some manufacturer demands a tire from Michelin (or anyone) that's as fast as a slick, but disintegrates after one lap. And what exactly will that lap time show? That's anyone's guess.
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Don’t like the design, it looks like a tuner car. With the SLS Black Series they got it right.
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Will there be a lap time?
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The grip levels of this car seem insane.
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