Official Thread [Official] Lamborghini SCV12 (track-only limited edition hypercar)

[TopspeedPT]

Lamborghini SCV12

 

[Ozy]

Finally...

 

[Rolf]

Wow this car looks and sounds sensational. They should bring out a road going version.

 

[Centurion]

The interior air vents look insane. Like airplane sharks.

 

[Rolf]

This car looks mean as shit. What a track car, amazing.

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[StartYourEngines]

Fun fact: 1200 kg of downforce at 250 km/h is a value almost literally double of that of the P1 GTR.

This, once again, proves how Ferrari and McLaren were capable to milk their hybrid hypercars by building overrated track cars that of "track" and "race" had actually nothing.
The non-Evo FXXK is a joke: it is a 1500 kg (without driver) track car with puny levels of downforce compared to what a track machine should have and also compared to its weight.
Yeah, 1036 bhp are a lot, so the owner can feel rocket-like acceleration while then having braking distances of a bus and the speed in the corners of a wheelchair.
The funny thing is that Ferrari knew perfectly well what they were building from the very beginning and they chose to do that way so that they later could charge extra millions from their customers by presenting the Evo version which, incredibly enough, has a rear wing! Woah, something never seen on a track car!
McLaren did the same with the P1 GTR: 10% more downforce than the road-legal P1? Ridicolous for a track car with a kerb weight of 1440 kg. It took Lanzante and the road-legal P1 LM to give this platform at least a little bit of justice.
They charge you millions for these machines and then some dude with a Bac Mono shows up with slicks and he is faster than you at 1/6 of the cost. I would be fuming if I were an owner of these things.
Ok, I am not a professional driver but if you are willing to offer a track program and you charge millions out of me for it, you better provide some real track machines and not some jokes on wheels (always compared to true race cars, obviously).

McLaren realized their mistake and came out with the Senna GTR, which really is on a totally different dimension in terms of performances.
Ferrari are too busy making money from their XX Program (which, in terms of organization and management of customers and cars is top-notch and the best) so they don't actually care.

Lamborghini, on the other hand, did not provide the lightest machine out there (the SCV12 should be around 1370 kg kerb according to verious info), but damn did they wanted to impress and give true race-car performances to the customers that are paying millions for it.
Lot of downforce, FIA LMP1-grade carbon chassis, race differential, brakes and suspensions, a track speed that probably not even unrestricted GT3 cars could match and which is closer to some prototypes and also DTM machines, full-service around the world much like the XX Program from Ferrari.
The SCV12 is something serious and worth to be discussed at least.

But there are many other out there: the BT62 from Brabham is a goddam monster with carbon-carbon brakes, 1600 kg of downforce at 300 km/h and a dry weight of 972 kg. It would obliterate by miles any XX Ferrari car or any track, yet basically nobody talks about it.
The Zonda Revolucion is basically a redesigned CLK-GTR race car that you could buy, but it is most of the times overlooked.
Not to mention the SCG cars, the upcoming T50 and Valkyrie AMR Pro or what Rodin Cars is offering today, which maybe is the best overall package that customers which desire a real track experience can dream of.

So, search for details and performances from all of these cars, they are fantastic and deserve much more credit.

 

[KiwiRob]

Fun fact: 1200 kg of downforce at 250 km/h is a...

You're forgetting one important thing, These cars are bought primarily as investments, many of them don't even get driven. The guys that have the money to buy these cars don't care, they are just happy they own them and will be able to flick them on when they get tired of them for a tidy profit.

 

[Rolf]

Most of these owners are not racing drivers and probably wont drive them to their full potential on race tracks. Driving at 300kmh on a race track will most likely not be the cornering speeds but straight line speed so 1600kg of downforce might be slowing it down in a straight line.

 

[A.P.]

The cool thing about it is that you get to bring it home as well if you so desire, unlike Ferrari not allowing it with their FXX program.

However, the chad move is storing it at the factory and having 24/7 view of it through an app.

 

[Bucketslash11]

Actually no.
The chassis of the SCV12 is a bespoke, LMP1-grade, FIA approved race carbon tub built completely from scratch for this car.
Moreover, the chassis is so stiff that, for the first time ever for a GT track car, the FIA approved it without the need of a roll bar.

wasn't the P1 GTR the first one ever approved without a rollbar, i can remember mclaren mentioning that about the GTR

 

[StartYourEngines]

wasn't the P1 GTR the first one ever approved without a r...

Yes, it is true: the McLaren P1 GTR did not need a roll cage because the MonoCage carbon chassis of the road-legal P1 was already strong and stiff enough to satisfy FIA's rollover tests for GT race cars.
However, here the story seems to be a little bit different because the SCV12 chassis is strong enough to meet FIA prototype targets without the need of a roll cage.
So, it appears to be a further step higher. In fact, also according to direct italian sources the chassis of the SCV12 appears to be homologated at LMP1 levels of strength without the roll cage.

Anyway, I don't want to be a PR figure for Lamborghini, but I always like to study down to the smallest details the machines that impress me and then to share these details with people who love cars.
So, here I am again with some info on the SCV12.

Here's below is a picture of the steering wheel with an analysis of all of its functions directly from Lamborghini Squadra Corse website:

It's not that you can understand the performances of a car by just looking at its steering wheel, but surely some details can provide a hint of the "real race and track focus" of a vehicle.

You can in fact see that the SCV12 steering wheel is very close to that of a LMP prototype: you have dials for clutch adjustment, engine maps, TC settings, differential adjustment, ABS setup and so on... Also, from the previous pictures which were posted about the whole cockpit you can see that there are many other switches and functions available to the driver on the right.
This degree of freedom in terms of available setup combinations is something which is usually offered by real race cars machines/prototypes and not gentlemen track toys.

In fact, it somehow recalls many of the functions available from the steering wheel of something like a 919 LMP1 prototype:

In contrast, if you look at the steering wheel of say, a P1 GTR (here below), you can see that there are many less functions and possibilities of setup available to the driver, who in fact can work on the hybrid part, on the overtake boost and on the aero (mainly DRS and if yes/no automatic) department.
It thus looks like something related more to a very high-perfomance, road-derived, track-only hypercar (which the P1 GTR actually is) rather than a pure race car.

The same argument can be done for the FXXK Evo (picture here below):

while the "regular" FXXK is even closer to its road-legal base (LaFerrari):

Finally, I put an image of a 650s GT3 race car wheel as a final comparison:

So, all in all, the more I study and look at the SCV12, the more I appreciate the fact that it basically is a disguised true racing prototype which can be bought by gentleman driver customers, who are then supported by Lamborghini with what appears to be almost the same attention and service quality of the XX Ferrari Program. Basically, something that combines the best of both worlds (i.e. true race car-like machine and full gentleman driver service).

I really like it.

 

[A.P.]

"1200 kg of downforce at 250 km/h."

2:03 and onwards in the video.

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[StartYourEngines]

The Huracan Super Trofeo Evo (picture here below), in the hands of Pros, can run Vallelunga in 1'30''-1'31'' and Imola in 1'40''.

For some context, at the 2011 6h of Imola the fastest LMP2 prototype run a qualifying time of 1'37.2''...
These are ungodly fast lap times for a car that is the entry level of the Lamborghini Squadra Corse lineup and aimed also to amateurs: 1270 kg of weight, 630 PS, 700 kg of downforce (supposedly at 250 km/h ?), race electronics and race slicks, but also a chassis and suspensions setup very close to that of the road-legal Performante.

Now, imagine what the SCV12 can do with its downforce, its power, its carbon FIA-LMP grade chassis and its LMP-like racing suspensions...
Considering that it is stated by Squadra Corse to be many seconds per lap faster on any circuit than their latest Huracan GT3 Evo racecar (which, according to few sources, generates enough downforce to take easy-flat the Eau Rouge-Raidillon...), well it appears clear that this car could pack high-LMP prototype levels of performance under its aggressive Lambo dress.

 

[mihc]

Lamborghini is apparently joining the Speedster club...

 

[Bridster]

Lamborghini is apparently joining the Speedster club...

If they do, it's not even gonna be the first speedster based on the Aventador. They already did the Aventador J:

They really need to stop milking the 10 year old platform and come up with the Aventador replacement. IMHO .

 

[SNB]

If they do, it's not even gonna be the first speedster based on the Aventador. They already did the Aventador J:

They really need to stop milking the 10 year old platform and come up with the Aventador replacement. IMHO .

Rumor is they are either gonna be sold off entirely or IPOd. So I’m guessing VAG doesn’t want to spend the R&D on a new platform.

 

[hoffmeister_fan]

If they do, it's not even gonna be the first speedster based on the Aventador. They already did the Aventador J:

They really need to stop milking the 10 year old platform and come up with the Aventador replacement. IMHO .

I am curious to see if they will come up with a new platform the Aventador replacement.

If I was a betting man, I doubt there will be a new platform, rather a heavily updated one because...
1) The Aventador's platform (and engine) were new when introduced. If I recall correctly, the Murcie was based on a heavily modified Diablo chassis and V12 dating as far back to at least the Countach if not before that.
2) With continuing effects of Dieselgate and the oft rumors of spinning off Lambo (among other higher end marques), I doubt the VAG folks would sign a check for a new one..... unless, it's an all BEV affair they've decided on.
3) If they are sticking with an NA V12 + supercapacitor set-up I think the platform is adaptable towards that.

EDIT:

Rumor is they are either gonna be sold off entirely or IPOd. So I’m guessing VAG doesn’t want to spend the R&D on a new platform.

Wasn't aware of a possible IPO. Don't know how successful that would be. While Lambo has brand recognition and has only gotten better over the years, I don't think it's on the level of Ferrari.

 

[A.P.]

Latest news on the replacement is 2022. N/A V12 power combined with 3 batteries.
Apperantly supercapacitator was too expensive to mass produce.

And then you have the uncertainty of Lamborghini being sold off. But regardless, a replacement will come no matter who owns Lamborghini.

This is what I got from around different forums who have trustworthy people with ties to the factory.

 

[hoffmeister_fan]

Latest news on the replacement is 2022. N/A V12 power combined with 3 batteries.
Apperantly supercapacitator was too expensive to mass produce.

And then you have the uncertainty of Lamborghini being sold off. But regardless, a replacement will come no matter who owns Lamborghini.

This is what I got from around different forums who have trustworthy people with ties to the factory.

Is the set-up similar to, say, a LaFer where the hybrid-ness is less obvious or more SF90-like where it's more pronounced, i.e. an all-EV range, etc.? Or is too early to determine?

 

[A.P.]

Is the set-up similar to, say, a LaFer where the hybrid-ness is less obvious or more SF90-like where it's more pronounced, i.e. an all-EV range, etc.? Or is too early to determine?

Rumor was 50 km on pure EV range. It will be SF90 Stradale compettitor. When you think about it, it makes sense since Aventador costs nearly as much.