One:1 [Official] Koenigsegg One:1

[Zonda]

Koenigsegg is basically a tuner with a custom chassis. It's hard to regard them as highly as a bespoke manufacturer.

 

[LaArtist]

^Thnx

I feel its insulting that they want like 20million plus kr for this damn thing.. its nearly offensive!

 

[Top Secret]

How can one 'tune' a bespoke chassis? The very definition of tuning is the modification of an already existing product.

I find it's all a bit rich for Pagani enthusiasts to be on their high horse about Koenigsegg. They're very similar car manufacturers. Unique in their own interpretations of what defines a supercar, but philosophically very, very similar.

 

[LaArtist]

^can you be so kind to break down the philosophy of both brands so we can see whats what?

 

[lambornima]

Koenigsegg is basically a tuner with a custom chassis. It's hard to regard them as highly as a bespoke manufacturer.

There is a Zonda and Agera owner over on Lambo Power (I think he is active on other forums too but I'm not sure) and he says that though Koenigsegg's style is different, its attention to detail and "bespokeness" is right up there with Pagani.

Each mark has its own flavor. Plus, if Koenigsegg is a "tuner" because their engine isn't theirs, then so is Pagani.

Edit: Here is a quote from him:

"Build quality and attention to detail is equal. Koenigsegg is as obsessive as Pagani about all the little things. The craftsmanship is equal.

Still very different cars. The Zonda has the best exhaust and naturally aspirated engine on any road car, imo. The Koenigsegg is turbo'ed, so doesn't sound as great, but still an awesome note. It's more of a brute, and of course the acceleration is on another level. I prefer the steering weight of the Zonda.

As it goes to design, I prefer the front of the Zonda and the side profile, but the Koenigsegg imo has the better ass (except for the iconic Pagani exhaust)."

 

[Cashmere]

I don't understand all the hate behind K'egg. It's a hyper car - they're supposed to look outrageous and aggressive.

Regardless of of whether you prefer Pagani or not, Christian's story of success is also quite remarkable - you have to remember that this isn't some giant corporation that's been around for a century but a small company that's blossomed into what they are today, purely because of passion and dedication.

 

[slicknick]

I don't understand all the hate behind K'egg. It's a hyper car - they're supposed to look outrageous and aggressive.

Regardless of of whether you prefer Pagani or not, Christian's story of success is also quite remarkable - you have to remember that this isn't some giant corporation that's been around for a century but a small company that's blossomed into what they are today, purely because of passion and dedication.

THIS...As much as I understand people having different tastes, I never understood why some people simply hated Koenigsegg's.
One has to consider, Koenigsegg doing certain things right/well doesn't take anything off of Pagani's bespoke nature&expertise in craftsmanship.

Providing that I'd have enough money, I'd buy one of each, simples.. (As well as a LaFerrari and a Porsche 918 Spyder)

Though I fully agree w/ the comments that the Agera interior is plain outdated, that's certainly my least favorite part about the car

 

[DjordjeC63]

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[diablo]

I agree with the perfection of the construction of agera like as Zonda. Maybe a bit less than huayra but agera is a real hypercar. I dont know if it is at the same level of LaF, P1 and 918. It is faster than huayra with a perfect use of carbon fibre. Koeniggsegg sold more than 100 cars...and this is amazing. Pagani sold not so much more cars...and bugatti with veyron?? So compliments to koenigsegg and waiting the new model (agera has the same design of cc8s...)!!!

 

[DjordjeC63]

CC8S and Agera.

 

[LaArtist]

I agree with the perfection of the construction of agera like as Zonda. Maybe a bit less than huayra but agera is a real hypercar. I dont know if it is at the same level of LaF, P1 and 918. It is faster than huayra with a perfect use of carbon fibre. Koeniggsegg sold more than 100 cars...and this is amazing. Pagani sold not so much more cars...and bugatti with veyron?? So compliments to koenigsegg and waiting the new model (agera has the same design of cc8s...)!!!

What? Pagani didn't sell that many cars? all 100 huayras are sold.. all paganis get sold out
and no its not even as well made as the Zonda..

 

[RS2000 4X4]

Who cares if its as good as a Pagani or not, who cares if it can reach 400 in 20 seconds, I like this car just for being here (just as Pagaini).

We should be glad there are still people doing these kind of cars with a low budget and dreams (by low budget I mean not as big as mainstream manufactures), if that comes with +1300bhp and a decent exterior and interior, I can only applaud kindly.

On topic: this car is really something

 

[Deckhook]

Two different company taking entirely different approaches to achieve a similar end result.... totally outlandish hypercars. Its hard to credit that the supercar market is so healthy to allow small independents to be so successful.

Any car which can accelerate as hard as the Koenigsegg deserved praise in my book.

 

[diablo]

What? Pagani didn't sell that many cars? all 100 huayras are sold.. all paganis get sold out
and no its not even as well made as the Zonda..

Pagani sell so many cars! And Pagani is a myth in the car maker, with an incredible build-perfection.
It means that also Koenigsegg is a reallyname in the world of supercars/hypercars if he sold the same number of cars as Pagani Zonda. koenigsegg is not a Mosler, not a Noble with much more hp....

 

[Rolf]

If you look at this video at 7min 06sec and pause it he shows the different track laps on his phone and he opens the Nurburgring and it shows some powerlaps, if you look at Lap 9 the time is shown as 6:14.78 and lap 10 as 6:35.62, I wonder if these are real lap times achieved by this car maybe during testing. Both times will be the fastest in a road car and considerably faster than the 6:57 achieved by the Porsche 918!!!

He also mentions the torsional rigidity as been 65,000nm/deg, that is incredible!! Just think about it that is 25000nm/deg (62.5%) more than the new S-Class (40000nm/deg) and double that of the E-Class (29700nm/deg)!! Amazing stuff!!

I like the way he talks about how they saved weight in different areas of the car using a new type of carbon fibre and the seat foam is the same used by NASA in the seats of space crafts that adjust to the movements of excessive G-force.

The meticulous detail in the engineering is fantastic, just like the Pagani, this bespoke car is made to look more exclusive and in a another world to Ferrari, Porsche and Mclaren.

 

[tristatez28lt1]

If you look at this video at 7min 06sec and pause it he shows the different track laps on his phone and he opens the Nurburgring and it shows some powerlaps, if you look at Lap 9 the time is shown as 6:14.78 and lap 10 as 6:35.62, I wonder if these are real lap times achieved by this car maybe during testing. Both times will be the fastest in a road car and considerably faster than the 6:57 achieved by the Porsche 918!!!

He also mentions the torsional rigidity as been 65,000nm/deg, that is incredible!! Just think about it that is 25000nm/deg (62.5%) more than the new S-Class (40000nm/deg) and double that of the E-Class (29700nm/deg)!! Amazing stuff!!

A 6:14 lap at the Ring is not feasible. But before we start speculating, I'll believe it when I see a lap like the one Porsche published. Everything else is just speculation and proof-less to me.
And the torsional rigidity I also want to see tested. You can talk whatever you want but unless there is evidence I don't believe it.

 

[Zonda]

Koenigsegg is a good salesman. I remember one of their old websites where they declared in detail how their outsourced t-shirts were made from the latest and bestest materials.
Making things sound good is in their nature.

 

[DjordjeC63]

@Zonda

And Pagani is not good salesman?

 

[Zonda]

A very different one. The image of Pagani is what sells. An image he sculpted and still polishes. A very different approach to the same goal.

I wasn't comparing the two manufacturers. I was just stating that I find K'egg's marketing really silly some times and I'm surprised people buy into it the way they do.
It's like a teenage girl with confidence issues. "Fake it 'til you make it" seems to be their marketing slogan some times.

 

[Rolf]

A 6:14 lap at the Ring is not feasible. But before we start speculating, I'll believe it when I see a lap like the one Porsche published. Everything else is just speculation and proof-less to me.
And the torsional rigidity I also want to see tested. You can talk whatever you want but unless there is evidence I don't believe it.

Yep 6:14 will be difficult to achieve due to the layout of the different straights and corners of the track. This car would have to have extraordinary speed (more than 317km/h on the Dottinger Hohe straight and more than 294km/h on the first Schwedenkreuz straight as recorded by Sport Auto for the 918) on the straights and really outstanding braking (at least 13.3ms2) to match or to be able to beat the 918 by that much. And then it would need to corner at least as well as the 918 and to achieve or match the 918 figure of 1.65g will take some doing indeed. Koenigsegg did mention his car can corner at 2g's but I don't honestly believe that and I don't think that car will match the Porsche for braking. I think it will be a difficult task to achieve, but only area I can see it beating the 918 is straight line speed but that still needs to be verified to be true by any magazine or testing facility.