458 [Official] Ferrari 458 Italia

The Ferrari 458 Italia (Type F142) is a mid-engine sports car produced by Ferrari. Production: 2009-2015. Predecessor: Ferrari F430. Successor: Ferrari 488.
There is ignorance in every country on earth (even Sunnyville). Why give that sort of comment weight by admiring it with a thanks?

Yes, I am ignorant about a lot of things, but the difference is I try not to talk/write about it in public on those topics as if I do, or at least put minimal effort - which is usually as simple as heading over to wikipedia.com - before I do. As for respect, it is earned, not given. If you display your ignorance on a public forum, the chances are some one will ridicule you for it.
 
Yes, I am ignorant

LMAO

I have no doubt in my mind that the GT-R is a lot reliable than any Ferrari,as much as i love Italian cars they are just not as solid as their counter cars.

Probably so! I'm sure when it comes down to it, people will purchase the car that looks better. In some cases they may pick the Ferrari, just to look better at the country club. The GTR is a great buy, on the other hand who (that can afford it) can say not to a Ferrari that looks as good and is as talented as the 458?
 
Why give that sort of comment weight by admiring it with a thanks?

It deserves a thanks because it's the truth. The skyline Brand has been around since the days of a company called Prince. Originally, it was the Prince Skyline. Just because it's heritage isn't known outside of Japan doesn't mean it doesn't have a heritage.


Sunny, the Skyline was actually started in 1957 by Prince. Prince merged with Nissan later and Nissan took up the Skyline cars. ;)
 
It deserves a thanks because it's the truth. The skyline Brand has been around since the days of a company called Prince. Originally, it was the Prince Skyline. Just because it's heritage isn't known outside of Japan doesn't mean it doesn't have a heritage.


Sunny, the Skyline was actually started in 1957 by Prince. Prince merged with Nissan later and Nissan took up the Skyline cars. ;)

Well in defense of rurella, it all a matter of how you respond. Yes, you can disagree with someone, but their is no need to be disrespectful.

Not to mention there millionaire who wouldn't be caught dead in a GT-R. Not that their "ignorant" they just prefer to ride in more upscale cars. Yes, the GT-R is amazing, but to some it's just another car.

A few years ago if I even mentioned Infiniti or Nissan in a thread with BMW or Benz, the disrespectful comments would flood in. Sadly, if there were no GT-R Nissan probably would still dismissed by many in this forum. Same goes for the GT-R vs Ferrari 458 IDEA.
 
Well for me personally there is no comparision between the two cars. The Nissan was made for the numbers and it was made to trump a specific car. That doesn't buy points with me otherwise I'd drive a Lexus. Yeah it does have heritage, but it isn't nearly on the same level with Ferrari or Porsche. Not even close.

That said I'd still have one.....and a 458i. If you can afford a Ferrari you can afford several cars right and in some GT-R cases vice versa right?

Beyond the GT-R Nissan gets credit for having the balls to produce not one, but two sports cars. There is print ad here in the U.S. magazines with the new Maxima, GT-R and 370Z all together...they all look great together. While Toyota, Honda and nearly every other Japanese produces no sports cars and big yawners sedans.

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Not to mention there millionaire who wouldn't be caught dead in a GT-R. Not that their "ignorant" they just prefer to ride in more upscale cars. Yes, the GT-R is amazing, but to some it's just another car.

Before you get into this, you might want to read what Centurion wrote to start all of this. Nobody is denying what you're saying, but I think my answers and other's answers pretty much put the whole thing down. It's one thing to say you don't like a car, but it's totally another to put down a brand with such great heritage with ignorant and snobbish comments. If someone were to make a comment such as what was made about the GT-R about one of our beloved German/Italian cars, the whole F__king message board would turn into a lynch mob. But since the GT-R is Japanese, it all of a sudden doesn't have passion and soul? Brand snobbery at it's finest.

Also, I have tremendous hate for Brand Snobbery.
 
Yeah um I highly doubt that. Can you show me a Ferrari that has been as extensively tested as a German sports car? i.e. 911, M6, SLS, etc. and I would have to agree with Luw that I don't see the new Ferrari V8 being a paradigm of reliability as a Porsche flat 6 would give.

You are asking me to prove my innocense. That is just not right. This is the way it works: I say the new Ferrari models are just as reliable as any other supercar and you prove me wrong. If that happens, I will gladly tell all my friends that their cars have probably broken down and then tell this community I was erroneous.
 
Yes, I am ignorant about a lot of things, but the difference is I try not to talk/write about it in public on those topics as if I do, or at least put minimal effort - which is usually as simple as heading over to wikipedia.com - before I do. As for respect, it is earned, not given. If you display your ignorance on a public forum, the chances are some one will ridicule you for it.

Deleted my response. My patriotism kicked into overdrive before my head could catch my mouth.
 
Amazing how disrespectful people are allowed to be on this forum....*Reviews forum rules one more time". Maybe I missed something.



Lol

You are completely right, apologies. "Sunnyville" was out of line. Consider it an over-reaction to the some ignorant american comment.
 
The Nissan was made for the numbers and it was made to trump a specific car.

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Merc, I don't think numbers where the only thing they were after, if so they would have made it lighter and not give it every conceivable modern luxury as standard from seat warmers to nav to keyless entry. As for trumping a specific car, I am guessing you are referring to 911 Turbo. The reason is cause 911TT is the standard bearer for a daily usable sports car - which is what they set out to build, so why would they use something else to measure against. If just ring time is what they were after, they would as well used a GT3 or GT2 instead to compare against. Of course, since the numbers are fantastic, and it is easy to sensationalize it, reviewers tend to just concentrate on it.
 
You are completely right, apologies. "Sunnyville" was out of line. Consider it an over-reaction to the some ignorant american comment.

lol, no need, I was't offended least bit and I am pretty sure HoH was referring to me being disrespectful to Luw, not you. And I didn't mean to insult Americans either, I was just using a convenient example from the automotive world. Like you so well put it, you can find ignorance every where (don't even get me started about the French and their wine).

I need not go to wikipedia to verify that the President of these United States of America made a mistaken reference as you so righteously point out.

My response was directed at a fellow amercian who gave your ignorance statement credence. Having travelled most of this planet, your babble is not unfamiliar to me.
I wasn't referring to you going to wiki to check Obama making a mistake, but Luw checking upon GTR's history before claiming it doesn't t have one. I am am American too (but in San Francisco, so it probably doesn't count if you go by Fox news) but I am not sure what that has anything to do with me mentioning some Americans think Ford invented the motorcar.
 
Do we know that the GTR is not as "daily driveable" as the 911 turbo. Super car performance at that price has peeked my interest.:eusa_thin
 
Some nice OT right there... Haven't seen the word Ferrari in 2 pages...

Like you so well put it, you can find ignorance every where (don't even get me started about the French and their wine).

Uh, excuse me? :D Are you one of those "Freedom fries" type of guy? :D
 
I would never buy a GTR over a Ferrari 458, no matter how good the Skyline is, with that said lets go back to what this thread really is about - Ferrari 458.

GTR discussions can be discussed somewhere else. Thank you.
 
Some nice OT right there... Haven't seen the word Ferrari in 2 pages...



Uh, excuse me? :D Are you one of those "Freedom fries" type of guy? :D


Haha, forgot we had a French in here. :D And no, I am not "freedom fries" type of guys. I doubt we have many of those here in San Francisco (to our non American friends, SF is a very liberal city and the right wing - to put it mildly- doesn't like us). But I guess that is enough of American politics. Back to Italia.
 
ONE tiny thing:

Some people here think that rich people aren't going to buy GTR because it's a Nissan.
Think again! I've seen the care plenty of times in Monte Carlo, Monaco. They think it's kick-ass, and it sure is 10 times more unique and special than an F430 is over there.
 
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Monster used a prime example in another thread. David Yu, well-known contributor to EVO, entrepreneur and car enthusiast has owned Ferraris, will probably own another Ferrari (maybe even a 458) but currently owns and loves his GTR.

The GTR transcends classes where the predominant buyer mentality is driven by passion for automotive performance. In instances where tastes become more specific, discerning or snobbish even then only a primo badge will cut the mustard with high society. The GTR is exceptionally good value for money and for many a businessman this is as attractive a proposition as the less tangible badge snobbery that comes at a much higher price.

I am a badge snob [LOL - don't you all laugh now] actually. If I could afford a GTR - and, I'd probably have one given the means - I would certainly be lusting after Ferrari 458. Or even a 16M. It's the same reason why I won't buy a BMW until I can afford an M car. Until then, I'll make do with cars that are fit for purpose without breaking the bank. Same goes for the GTR - fit for purpose largely but by no means lacking in admirable attributes on the heritage, engineering, achievement and presence stakes.

After all, it's the person in the GTR that counts, not the GTR in the person. Stereotypes be damned.

As for the issue around Ferrari reliability. Again, fit for purpose.
But, having said that, car reliability on track days is far more a factor of mechanical sympathy than it is of the friction material compound and thickness in a clutch plate. Anecdotally, I religiously attend the local Ferrari Day at Kyalami Race Circuit year on year. Standing on the pit wall I've watched hundreds of Ferraris come past lap after lap and, interestingly, I've never witnessed a smokey clutch or brakes that are on fire, let alone an engine failure. A Ferrari Italia, treated with respect will be more reliable than a GTR that isn't. Witness the countless examples of destroyed transmissions that were used deliberately and excessively in launch control mode.

One of the key considerations in extending the longevity of wear-and-tear items during a track day is the use of regular and frequent cool down laps and pit lane stops to give brakes, tyres, clutches etc time to avoid overheating - which, simply destroys the serviceable lifespan. Don't ask me, ask PCValkyrie and other long-time track freaks* on this very board. *Said with endearment.

What's really cool about modern, track ready machinery such as the M3 DCT, GTR and 458 is that the transmissions no longer rely on human co-ord to actuate the clutch. Nowadays these high-tech dual clutch systems, tightly integrated with the engine management software, shift with an electro-mechanical precision that no human can match. This dramatically enhances the life of these systems compared with those that are operated by folks less than gifted in the motor-skills department.

The Ferrari 458 with its fantastic composite brakes, ultra high-revving engine (a real boon on a track), low weight and sophisticated transmission is as good a track tool as can be expected from a supercar such as this. Let's try to not mix the concepts of precision with delicacy. Flowers are delicate. Lace panties are delicate.
 

Ferrari

Ferrari S.p.A. is an Italian luxury sports car manufacturer based in Maranello, Italy. Founded in 1939 by Enzo Ferrari (1898-1988), the company built its first car in 1940, adopted its current name in 1945, and began to produce its current line of road cars in 1947. Ferrari became a public company in 1960, and from 1963 to 2014 it was a subsidiary of Fiat S.p.A. It was spun off from Fiat's successor entity, Fiat Chrysler Automobiles, in 2016.
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