458 [Official] Ferrari 458 Italia

[rollo]

After looking over and over at the pics,seriously the Italians are the masters of design.This car and many other Italian ones has curves and lines beyond anything else on the road.Kudos..

Absolutely agree. Phenomenal looking car. Can't think of a current automobile that can hold a candle to this design.

 

[bmer]

I'd rather have my left testicle ripped out by a 3m Komodo Dragon with septic saliva than choose that half-cocked Ascari over a thoroughly complete 458 Italia.

Yet the remains of that generative gland after it has gone through the digestive system of the Komodo dragon are at least visually equially formidable as the 458 Italia but still they don't generate similar enchantment among our fellow forum members.

 

[andyvalencia]

Hey.
First of all we need to give credit to the boys at maranello for producing such a nice car. That being said, I also had my take on the spyder version. Enjoy:
http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2618038490104674737AiGUCv
http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2342163370104674737jvAwrI

 

[HighestOfHigh]

I wonder if we will see a GT-R vs 458 comparison soon...hmmm

 

[NarutoRamen]

I wonder if we will see a GT-R vs 458 comparison soon...hmmm

We might have to wait for the GT-R V-Spec or the V-Spec II for the comparos to be actually comparable.

 

[Centurion]

I wonder if we will see a GT-R vs 458 comparison soon...hmmm

The GT-R is irrelevant. GT-R owners cannot afford a Ferrari and the Ferrari clientèle are not interested in the Nissan. Two worlds that don't mix.

 

[NarutoRamen]

The GT-R is irrelevant. GT-R owners cannot afford a Ferrari and the Ferrari clientèle are not interested in the Nissan. Two worlds that don't mix.

No offense, but that is one of the most ignorant and stupid statements that has ever appeared on this site. There are more than enough millionaires who are buying the GT-R. Anyone who appreciates fine and sporty automobiles is going to want a GT-R. The main difference here is that the a GT-R can be had by people who aren't wealthy while the Ferrari can only be had by millionaires.

What you mean to say is brand snobs are not going to buy the GT-R.

 

[Centurion]

No offense, but that is one of the most ignorant and stupid statements that has ever appeared on this site. There are more than enough millionaires who are buying the GT-R. Anyone who appreciates fine and sporty automobiles is going to want a GT-R. The main difference here is that the a GT-R can be had by people who aren't wealthy while the Ferrari can only be had by millionaires.

What you mean to say is brand snobs are not going to buy the GT-R.

The GT-R performs astonishingly well but lacks the emotional and visual attributes of a Ferrari. It's a pure technical product with a purpose of producing greater numbers than a certain group of car, for less money. An exotic car developed in an Italian city produce both the numbers and possess the character that and attributes that truly makes you fall in love.

From what I've ready about the GT-R the vast majority of discussion evolve around the performance with close to zero compliments about the design, how the car makes the driver feel or anything else that does involve nurburgring lap times. It's a typical "value" Japanese product that only has appeal in offering more for less. But in the world of cars, performance alone is not what makes a car lovable.

I have absolutely nothing against the car as it fills the empty bucket of affordable "sports car" but I do find it tragic when all good that people can say about it is that it's faster around the ring than this and that car.

 

[Potential]

No offense, but that is one of the most ignorant and stupid statements that has ever appeared on this site. There are more than enough millionaires who are buying the GT-R. Anyone who appreciates fine and sporty automobiles is going to want a GT-R. The main difference here is that the a GT-R can be had by people who aren't wealthy while the Ferrari can only be had by millionaires.

What you mean to say is brand snobs are not going to buy the GT-R.

This is true, I know of a man who replaced his yellow F430 with a GT-R and he couldn't be happier. Not everyone is after the cache of a brand, some just want the car for its technical attributes and the GT-R delivers. Obviously it has been completely blown away on paper by this new 458. I can see both the GT-R and the 458 taking away respective clientele from both brands, especially seen as though even the rich have tightened their belt buckles in the current economic condition.

 

[Sunny]

The GT-R is irrelevant. GT-R owners cannot afford a Ferrari and the Ferrari clientèle are not interested in the Nissan. Two worlds that don't mix.

Go to NAGTROC.com - The North American GTR registry. There are guys with a zillion other exotics there. There is even a guy with Gumpert Apollo (I think he sold it now though cause it wasn't much better than his modded GTR). If you don't know something, either go research about it or keep quite about it.

 

[NarutoRamen]

The GT-R performs astonishingly well but lacks the emotional and visual attributes of a Ferrari. It's a pure technical product with a purpose of producing greater numbers than a certain group of car, for less money. An exotic car developed in an Italian city produce both the numbers and possess the character that and attributes that truly makes you fall in love.

Once again Luw, you're speaking about sh!t that is VERY VERY subjective. I, and MANY others, love the GT-R's design and feel the soul that many brand snobs don't. Just because you don't, doesn't make it a fact. And the reason why everyone talks about the numbers is because that is what shuts brand snobs up.

Luw, no offense, but you need to stop putting your opinion in such a way that it makes you seem like a person with a "My opinion is fact" and "Holier than thou" attitude.

Since you haven't read about "Soul" yet, here is a perfect article for someone like you. Does Godzilla Have a Soul? Also, if you find the time, read a few of the comments, you'll see that many agree with me.

 

[Sunny]

The GT-R performs astonishingly well but lacks the emotional and visual attributes of a Ferrari. It's a pure technical product with a purpose of producing greater numbers than a certain group of car, for less money. An exotic car developed in an Italian city produce both the numbers and possess the character that and attributes that truly makes you fall in love.

From what I've ready about the GT-R the vast majority of discussion evolve around the performance with close to zero compliments about the design, how the car makes the driver feel or anything else that does involve nurburgring lap times. It's a typical "value" Japanese product that only has appeal in offering more for less. But in the world of cars, performance alone is not what makes a car lovable.

I have absolutely nothing against the car as it fills the empty bucket of affordable "sports car" but I do find it tragic when all good that people can say about it is that it's faster around the ring than this and that car.

And almost every other track it has been tested on. While being a better daily car than most other sports cars. If you don't like it's design that is fine, that is subjective but do you really have to spew the rest of ignorant stuff?

 

[Monster]

The GT-R is irrelevant. GT-R owners cannot afford a Ferrari and the Ferrari clientèle are not interested in the Nissan. Two worlds that don't mix.

Well let me think, David Yu from EVO did exactly that. Sold his F430 and got a GTR instead and he is loving it.

 

[Sunny]

And if all you know about the GTR is how fast it is around the ring then it is because you are ignorant. Most reputed magazines from Evo to DR have commented about how good it to drive too. Here is a recent snippet from the Evo in their comparison between Evora and GTR.

Today the GT-R is making mincemeat of the three cars in our main group test. Driving it you feel like a cat toying with a bunch of mice – you can let them run off a bit and then reel them back in at your leisure. Speed isn’t everything, though, and this stunning ability has led to accusations that the Nissan is devastatingly effective rather than deeply involving. Wrong – it’s both.

 

[BMW_MSTILO]

430 scuderia vs 458 italia

Just wanna say that a read some people thought that there was no or anny scuderia development/techniques, ore whatever you may call it, in the new 458 italia. Here is the article adress:

Autocar - Ferrari 458 Italia revealed

important part :

Aluminium chassis


Ferrari has used its experience from designing the 430 Scuderia’s suspension to create the 458 Italia’s double wishbone front set-up and multi-link rear end, all bolted directly to the aluminium chassis. It’s been developed with the help of Michael Schumacher, who was spotted testing the car.
Ferrari has close ties to aluminium specialist Alcoa, which has built a factory near Modena to produce chassis for the firm. The 458 Italia’s frame uses ideas from both the 430 Scuderia and the Mille Chili concept car.
It uses more advanced bonding techniques than the 430 did, along with manufacturing processes more in line with the aero industry

so yes there was some kind of 430 scuderia development used in the 458 italia..(logical)

ps; i knew the 458 is a completely new car in my point of view ferrari don't come up whit a facelift ore other kind of updates. Only new models will be introced otherwise it is called by the same name .................(logical)

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[Deutsch]

I can't tell you how many times I've read people parading around how few minutes it took their favorite sports car to lap the "Ring". While it may not seem like much more than a number it's a testament to the attributes from an engineering and technological perspective that enable a car to maneuver around the rigors the "Ring" has become infamous for, because let's be honest here, there are many cars that couldn't travel beyond a mile on the Nurbrigring without succumbing ill to some sort of major mechanical failure. Anyways I digress...

As far as the GTR not being an emotionally engaging car...[http://www.jaylenosgarage.com/video/video_player.shtml?vid=244892 - take it from someone who actually knows what they're talking about. Aside from that one of the best things about the GTR's design if nothing else is chiefly that unlike many other car I can name (a good portion German) it's designed for function and less so for aesthetics. If you do enough research you'll learn most of every part of the GTR's design revolves around some sort of functional purpose. Aside from that it's a design that's purely Japanese, and not in the traditional sense that it is design to compliment the work of another in the form of flattery through imitation.

 

[Wunderkind]

I can't tell you how many times I've read people parading around how few minutes it took their favorite sports car to lap the "Ring". While it may not seem like much more than a number it's a testament to the attributes from an engineering and technological perspective that enable a car to maneuver around the rigors the "Ring" has become infamous for, because let's be honest here, there are many cars that couldn't travel beyond a mile on the Nurbrigring without succumbing ill to some sort of major mechanical failure. Anyways I digress...

Regarding the Nurburgring. Yes, some earlier Italian supercars did dropped their guts after one hard lap around the 'Ring (the engine overheated, the cooling system gave up, the brakes were fried, etc). Going around the 'Ring quickly is one thing. But the manner which the car does it is another. On some videos you see on youtube, cars were squealing, understeering and oversteering all over the place and you can tell these cars are probably good for a single flying lap only.

After seeing the video of the Mercedes-AMG SLS lapping the 'Ring. I am left feeling astonished by how easy it all looked. I am extremely impressed by the ease and composure at which the SLS seemed to be able to go around the different corners. The car never seemed unsettled by the undulations and rarely misbehaved. The lap almost looked boring.

I think the SLS maybe capable of a time of 7:35 around the 'Ring in the hands of Bernd Schneider or Klaus Ludwig.

 

[Mr Robert]

The time it takes for a car to round the Ring is always second to how much fun the driver had making that lap.

 

[klier]

Just wanna say that a read some people thought that there was no or anny scuderia development/techniques, ore whatever you may call it, in the new 458 italia.

Thanks for the article!
But I think no one ever said that wouldn't be the case?
Anyways, the car is going to be the new benchmark for the coming years. The first real competion will be the all-new 998 991...

 

[Dante_JoseCuervo]

Man, I can't wait to see this car on Top Gear