Valkyrie [Official] Aston Martin - From AM-RB 001 to Valkyrie

[Tourbillon]

@duesy @Centurion @tristatez28lt1 @Rolf

@everyone on the planet.

LOOK at 60- 100MPH! 1/4!



"Estimated" with what? An abacus!

 

[Tourbillon]

i wonder how the Red Bull RB17 will compare

It's the little EV Mcmurtry I'm tracking. It's a little bloody rocket. I trust it makes production.

 

[TopspeedPT]

2017: "1:1 power to height ratio"

2023: 0.9 power to height ratio (1140hp and 1270kg (dry))

 

[Bridster]

2017: "1:1 power to height ratio"

2023: 0.9 power to height ratio (1140hp and 1270kg (dry))

Power to height?

Well, the electric motor actually only works up to 100mph (or maybe it was 100km/h even), so in reality it's more like 1000hp. and it's at least 1392kg curb. So more like 0.7:1, which is about the same as a Chiron. But, based on the acceleration figures it's like 0.5:1 .

 

[Bucketslash11]

It's the little EV Mcmurtry I'm tracking. It's a little bloody rocket. I trust it makes production.

screw that i want to see McMurty Sperling vs Red Bull X2010 (1500hp/ca. 600kg/fan+formula 1 aero)

 

[duesy]

I don't think it was on compromised rubber and neither was it driven by a second-rate driver. It was on Cup 2 Rs (while the standard journalist laps were on Cup 2s) and it was driven by Christian Gebhardt - a pro driver who also does Nurburgring laps and other lap timing for Sport Auto. And since the lap was done at an event hosted by AM themselves he probably had as much factory support as a factory driver would have. Maybe a factory driver who was more familiar with the car would be able to get an extra second or something, but that doesn't change the fact that the car has failed to deliver on its performance promises in a massive way!

I just said how it would definitely be faster than the AMG One, but looking at this lap, I am not so sure anymore!

There is not yet a single review (that I have read) from people in the know that doesn't confess to the driver's inability to understand and unlock the car's potential. And yet here you are, drawing conjectures without the slightest clue. The same nonsense was declared about the One's specs and splits when they first came out, and we saw how that turned out. It's unbelievable––and believable––how ready some people are to declare radical leaps a failure or short.

 

[Tourbillon]

There is not yet a single review (that I have read) from people in the know that doesn't confess to the driver's inability to understand and unlock the car's potential. And yet here you are, drawing conjectures without the slightest clue. The same nonsense was declared about the One's specs and splits when they first came out––and we saw how that turned out. It's unbelievable how ready some people are to declare radical leaps a failure or short.

You're actually 110% correct about the Mercedes AMG One. The amount of, well, "stuff" I read was unbelievable. Just wait until the times are turned in! They set 4 production records in it seems like as many weeks! It was sterling stuff.

Also I'll be watching all this stuff over the next few days. There's alot, LOL!

 

[duesy]

You're actually 110% correct about the Mercedes AMG One. The amount of, well, "stuff" I read was unbelievable. Just wait until the times are turned in! They set 4 production records in it seems like as many weeks! It was sterling stuff.

Also I'll be watching all this stuff over the next few days. There's alot, LOL!

Importantly: People who buy this car can buy a Bugatti (and 20 Lambos in tow); they probably have a couple of Chirons and Veyrons already. But some of them buy the Valkyrie to have access to what they cannot get otherwise: to get close to what it feels like to drive an F1 or LMP car. They could always buy a racing team and have an engineer or technician maintain a proper race car for them for track days. Still, they cannot drive the car––as they can with the Valkyrie––from their garage to a nearby track and gradually learn to drive it, draw insights from experience, and then drive the car harder––just as F1 drivers come to master their engines and aero with time. Lap times and all that other stuff are secondary to the potential fun that some owners can extract from this car as a track weapon. For everyone else, there are shiny toys like Pagani and Koenigsegg.

 

[Bridster]

There is not yet a single review (that I have read) from people in the know that doesn't confess to the driver's inability to understand and unlock the car's potential. And yet here you are, drawing conjectures without the slightest clue. The same nonsense was declared about the One's specs and splits when they first came out, and we saw how that turned out. It's unbelievable––and believable––how ready some people are to declare radical leaps a failure or short.

What? What conjectures? We've had a racing driver do a lap! Does that suddenly not count when it's not the result you want? The only conjecture is on your part: imagining that the driver - unlike with all the other cars he's done laps with - didn't know what he was doing.

 

[Bucketslash11]

There is not yet a single review (that I have read) from people in the know that doesn't confess to the driver's inability to understand and unlock the car's potential. And yet here you are, drawing conjectures without the slightest clue. The same nonsense was declared about the One's specs and splits when they first came out, and we saw how that turned out. It's unbelievable––and believable––how ready some people are to declare radical leaps a failure or short.

remember the 918, everyone believed it would underperform

 

[Tourbillon]

remember the 918, everyone believed it would underperform

Case and point.

 

[tristatez28lt1]

I got 4.8s and 4.6s for 100-200km/h. 200-300km/h wasn't shown so how did you time it? Or are you not talking about the Sport Auto video?

Either way, kinda bad. Shockingly bad, actually, and slower than SF90 or 765LT... somehow. Was the engine overheating again or something (even though it was done at night)? Who knows! It's an AM mystery!

As for the lap time, it's very, very far away from F1, LMP1 or LMP2 pace. In fact, it's even slower than GT3.

2:01.01 - Valkyrie

1:59.107 - GT3
1:45.357 - LMP2
1:39.207 - LMP1
1:27.26 - F1

Also lets not forget it only has 50L tank, which is good for like 5 laps. So what is this car good at again?

Great points and references - yes, Sport Auto video!

 

[duesy]

What? What conjectures? We've had a racing driver do a lap! Does that suddenly not count when it's not the result you want? The only conjecture is on your part: imagining that the driver - unlike with all the other cars he's done laps with - didn't know what he was doing.

Dude, you are screen-shotting lap times and drawing wild conclusions about the car's performance based on that––all without knowing or getting why such a car exists. Watch a couple of reviews, at least, to see what people who could drive this car have to say about it. And just because some guy drove four races around the Ring and posted a clip about it, it doesn't mean he is the right driver for this car or that his stats amount to some judgment about this car as a whole. The obsession with speed and split stats is utterly silly, anyway. Driving a track weapon is about much more than sheer straight-line speed and acceleration––track weapons are not drag-racers. This is basic stuff you're ignoring here.

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

I don't think it was on compromised rubber and neither was it driven by a second-rate driver. It was on Cup 2 Rs (while the standard journalist laps were on Cup 2s) and it was driven by Christian Gebhardt - a pro driver who also does Nurburgring laps and other lap timing for Sport Auto. And since the lap was done at an event hosted by AM themselves he probably had as much factory support as a factory driver would have. Maybe a factory driver who was more familiar with the car would be able to get an extra second or something, but that doesn't change the fact that the car has failed to deliver on its performance promises in a massive way!

I just said how it would definitely be faster than the AMG One, but looking at this lap, I am not so sure anymore!

Christian Gebhardt has got the German racing licence but he is racing in the amateur class and is not a pro racer

 

[TopspeedPT]

Power to height?

Well, the electric motor actually only works up to 100mph (or maybe it was 100km/h even), so in reality it's more like 1000hp. and it's at least 1392kg curb. So more like 0.7:1, which is about the same as a Chiron. But, based on the acceleration figures it's like 0.5:1 .

Ops. Weight obviously.

 

[A.P.]

I got 4.8s and 4.6s for 100-200km/h. 200-300km/h wasn't shown so how did you time it? Or are you not talking about the Sport Auto video?

Either way, kinda bad. Shockingly bad, actually, and slower than SF90 or 765LT... somehow. Was the engine overheating again or something (even though it was done at night)? Who knows! It's an AM mystery!

As for the lap time, it's very, very far away from F1, LMP1 or LMP2 pace. In fact, it's even slower than GT3.

2:01.01 - Valkyrie

1:59.107 - GT3
1:45.357 - LMP2
1:39.207 - LMP1
1:27.26 - F1

Also lets not forget it only has 50L tank, which is good for like 5 laps. So what is this car good at again?

Also let's not forget it was on regular Cup2s. Put it on Cup2 Rs and see it come closer to LMP2. (which is, by far faster than anything on the road today outside of extremely modified street cars.)

As for the acceleration, it totally anahilated SF90 and 765LT. At least on the speedo climb. It's more Chiron level. (Acceleration provided in the videos vs best videos from SF90 and 765LT I could find.)


This car performed at least 10 times better and more reliably than whatever AMG One did at it's press launch.

In my eyes, truly the "McLaren F1" of our generation. Just the fact it exsists and works quite decently now is fantastic. Along with Huyara R, it's one of best sounding production cars ever.

 

[Bridster]

Dude, you are screen-shotting lap times and drawing wild conclusions about the car's performance based on that––all without knowing or getting why such a car exists. Watch a couple of reviews, at least, to see what people who could drive this car have to say about it. And just because some guy drove four races around the Ring and posted a clip about it, it doesn't mean he is the right driver for this car or that his stats amount to some judgment about this car as a whole. The obsession with speed and split stats is utterly silly, anyway. Driving a track weapon is about much more than sheer straight-line speed and acceleration––track weapons are not drag-racers. This is basic stuff you're ignoring here.

Honestly, have you missed the Sport Auto video? I am not "screen-shotting" anything! It's right there, a lap driven by a racing driver, with a GPS measured time and speed!

Christian Gebhardt is not "some guy", he's a racing driver who's done thousands of laps around all sorts of tracks and does it for a living! His laps that he is doing for Sport Auto are being posted here all the time and have been accepted as being representative for years. That he is not up to scrap is something you just invented 5 minutes ago.

As for being figure obsessed, it's what the whole car is about, isn't it? Figures! Performance! From the second it got first revealed we got bombarded by talk about how it's gonna be faster than F1 or LMP1. That was literally the selling point of the car, what the whole hype was about. And we also got told at every opportunity - and even now in all the reviews - how Newey wouldn't compromise even 1mm so it wouldn't ruin his aero or his packaging and how every component is designed to be as light as possible, etc, etc. What was that for if not to make the car as fast as possible? So yeah, when it then turns out the car is miles behind where it was supposed to be, I think it's quite fair to point that out and do it forcefully.

 

[Bridster]

Also let's not forget it was on regular Cup2s. Put it on Cup2 Rs and see it come closer to LMP2. (which is, by far faster than anything on the road today outside of extremely modified street cars.)

As for the acceleration, it totally anahilated SF90 and 765LT. At least on the speedo climb. It's more Chiron level. (Acceleration provided in the videos vs best videos from SF90 and 765LT I could find.)


This car performed at least 10 times better and more reliably than whatever AMG One did at it's press launch.

In my eyes, truly the "McLaren F1" of our generation. Just the fact it exsists and works quite decently now is fantastic. Along with Huyara R, it's one of best sounding production cars ever.

Ok, it's starting to feel like I am living in some sort of magical wonder land.

1. The car WAS on Cup 2 Rs. They mention it in the video! Even if it was on Cup 2s, putting on Cup 2 Rs wouldn't get it anywhere near LMP2 times! Please look at what the LMP2 time is - do you think that Cup 2 Rs are 16s a lap faster than Cup 2s?
2. I literally wrote what the acceleration times were - and they are SLOWER than those of the SF90 (4.5s by Drag Times) and the 765LT (4.3s also by Drag Times). So how did it "annihilate" those cars?

 

[A.P.]

Honestly, have you missed the Sport Auto video? I am not "screen-shotting" anything! It's right there, a lap driven by a racing driver, with a GPS measured time and speed!

Christian Gebhardt is not "some guy", he's a racing driver who's done thousands of laps around all sorts of tracks and does it for a living! His laps that he is doing for Sport Auto are being posted here all the time and have been accepted as being representative for years. That he is not up to scrap is something you just invented 5 minutes ago.

As for being figure obsessed, it's what the whole car is about, isn't it? Figures! Performance! From the second it got first revealed we got bombarded by talk about how it's gonna be faster than F1 or LMP1. That was literally the selling point of the car, what the whole hype was about. And we also got told at every opportunity - and even now in all the reviews - how Newey wouldn't compromise even 1mm so it wouldn't ruin his aero or his packaging and how every component is designed to be as light as possible, etc, etc. What was that for if not to make the car as fast as possible? So yeah, when it then turns out the car is miles behind where it was supposed to be, I think it's quite fair to point that out and do it forcefully.

Yes, it didn't live up to Aston Martin's bold claims. Nobody, I think, is forgetting that. Point is, the original essence of Valkyrie was to be the ultimate road legal car for track. So far I see nothing else getting close to those lap times apart from dedicated race cars today.

Lap times are the numbers everyone are excited about for this car, not straight line speed that matches Chiron SS or Koenigseggs or even Rimac Neveras or even Aventador replacement. It was never designed for that. Nor was it ever going to live up to the original acceleration numbers. When you create a car like this, it's either straight line or track use. Nothing in-between.

 

[A.P.]

Ok, it's starting to feel like I am living in some sort of magical wonder land.

1. The car WAS on Cup 2 Rs. They mention it in the video! Even if it was on Cup 2s, putting on Cup 2 Rs wouldn't get it anywhere near LMP2 times! Please look at what the LMP2 time is - do you think that Cup 2 Rs are 16s a lap faster than Cup 2s?
2. I literally wrote what the acceleration times were - and they are SLOWER than those of the SF90 (4.5s by Drag Times) and the 765LT (4.3s also by Drag Times). So how did it "annihilate" those cars?

If you read my post, you would have noticed I said closer and not on par. F1 / LMP claims were vaporwave from the start, everyone acknowledged that. Point is, it's still the closest road legal car to those race cars.

I see you're using Brooks/Dragtimes times which were done on prepped drag surface. Bahrain isn't a drag strip you know. All my other points stand too.