Valkyrie [Official] Aston Martin - From AM-RB 001 to Valkyrie

[duesy]

A comparison with the AMG one is welcome, but the One is not the Valkyrie's real rival. GMA T.50 is the arch nemesis. A three-way comparison would, of course, be dreamlike. But the One is ultimately—as crazy as it sounds to say this—too compromised to be mentioned in the same breath as the other two. The One is more of a rival to the Chirons and Koenigseggs of the world. The Valkyrie and T.50 stage a battle between two of the most brilliant and uncompromising figures in automotive history.

 

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[Bridster]

A comparison with the AMG one is welcome, but the One is not the Valkyrie's real rival. GMA T.50 is the arch nemesis. A three-way comparison would, of course, be dreamlike. But the One is ultimately—as crazy as it sounds to say this—too compromised to be mentioned in the same breath as the other two. The One is more of a rival to the Chirons and Koenigseggs of the world. The Valkyrie and T.50 stage a battle between two of the most brilliant and uncompromising figures in automotive history.

I don't really see that. Yes, both are from the mind of a famous F1 engineer - and both have a high revving Cosworth V12 - but otherwise the two cars couldn't be more different. What exactly do you compare? Whether it's lap times or comfort and usability, it's obvious which car would prevail because they have completely different uses in mind.

If anything I would say that the Valkyrie has been massively compromised by AM and it's not even really comparable to the T.50 in that sense, since the T.50 is exactly what Murray wanted, while the Valkyrie has been a compromise between Newey and Aston. The AMG One vs Valkyrie comparison at least makes sense since they are both heavily track focused. Sure, throw the T.50 into the mix for a three-way test, I wouldn't mind, but I think it would more to contrast its approach with the other two rather than anything meaningful.

I guess maybe you could compare the quality of the engineering, but that's kinda hard to do without actually understanding it on a pretty good level. I don't know of any people who could really do that well. Just from a layman's point of view, though, the Valkyrie is quite far from where it should have been. 1400kg? Using Porsche tires instead of bespoke to the car? Can't be made to work inside of 9 years? The electric assistance only works to 100mph (or whatever it was - so it's virtually useless except for setting off)? Car melts its license plates on track? Doesn't work if the temperature is 0C or less? 5000km servicing? And so on. Not brilliant, to be honest.

 

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Can someone starts extracting performance numbers from this video please? 1155 hp. I timed 4 sec 100-200 and 200-300 in 7 sec.

 

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So many clips! I'll have to take the rest of the day off to watch them all. Keep 'em coming, please. The way it sped past 300+ with ease in the first video...

 

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Look who got the bloody Aston Martin Valkyrie AMR Pro!

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[Centurion]

I hope these recent videos makes everyone appreciate why the Chiron and Aventador exist. The Valkyrie is gorgeous and an aero marvel. However, it's not an exotic hypercar. It's a Grand Prix Circuit racing car with a licence plate.

I heard it at Goodwood and it's ear-piercingly loud. Not a car that you would casually jump into and drive without thinking whether you or your passenger want to torture your eardrums.

 

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That's what I want to hear from a few journalists: I am not a driver whose racing prowess matches Newey's brilliance.

I'm not sure how many actual owners of the Valkyrie can really drive and enjoy this car––and I think very few will actually drive it hard or at all. Then again, this is the whole point of the car: it is uncompromising and only for the automotive radicals and extremists. You can't parade this car on Ocean Drive; you will, however, impress anyone with a good head on their shoulders.

 

[Tourbillon]

Aston Martin Valkyrie review | Autocar

1140bhp, £2.5m, eight years in the making. We finally take the wheel of Adrian Newey's masterpiece

www.autocar.co.uk

The Autocar article. Pictures are very obviously different. Can't say for the text. I'll have a look tomorrow.

Aston Martin Valkyrie 2025 review – 700 miles in the world's most extreme hypercar | Evo

Aston’s Newey-designed hypercar astonishes on road and track, but is it the best thing ever to wear number plates, or too uncompromising for its own good?

www.evo.co.uk

Aston Martin Valkyrie Review 2023 | Top Gear

The most single-minded hypercar ever to turn a wheel. Vast complication and compromise hand-in-hand with divine beauty and outlandish speed

www.topgear.com

Aston Martin Valkyrie: Rekordverdächtig auf F1-Kurs

Tracktest mit V12-Saugmotor, Hinterradantrieb, Formel-1-Aero und insgesamt 1.155 System-PS. Krass, dass so ein Auto eine Straßenzulassung erhält und krass, dass wir ganz nebenbei den Streckenrekord auf dem F1-GP-Circuit in Bahrain geknackt haben – nicht offiziell mit Notar, aber mit Lap-Timer...

www.auto-motor-und-sport.de

2022 Aston Martin Valkyrie May Be the Ultimate Wild Ride

Co-developed with Red Bull Racing, the screaming, 1139-hp Valkyrie is real at last.

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[Bridster]

Can someone starts extracting performance numbers from this video please? 1155 hp. I timed 4 sec 100-200 and 200-300 in 7 sec.

I got 4.8s and 4.6s for 100-200km/h. 200-300km/h wasn't shown so how did you time it? Or are you not talking about the Sport Auto video?

Either way, kinda bad. Shockingly bad, actually, and slower than SF90 or 765LT... somehow. Was the engine overheating again or something (even though it was done at night)? Who knows! It's an AM mystery!

As for the lap time, it's very, very far away from F1, LMP1 or LMP2 pace. In fact, it's even slower than GT3.

2:01.01 - Valkyrie

1:59.107 - GT3
1:45.357 - LMP2
1:39.207 - LMP1
1:27.26 - F1

Also lets not forget it only has 50L tank, which is good for like 5 laps. So what is this car good at again?

 

[duesy]

I don't really see that. Yes, both are from the mind of a famous F1 engineer - and both have a high revving Cosworth V12 - but otherwise the two cars couldn't be more different. What exactly do you compare? Whether it's lap times or comfort and usability, it's obvious which car would prevail because they have completely different uses in mind.

If anything I would say that the Valkyrie has been massively compromised by AM and it's not even really comparable to the T.50 in that sense, since the T.50 is exactly what Murray wanted, while the Valkyrie has been a compromise between Newey and Aston. The AMG One vs Valkyrie comparison at least makes sense since they are both heavily track focused. Sure, throw the T.50 into the mix for a three-way test, I wouldn't mind, but I think it would more to contrast its approach with the other two rather than anything meaningful.

I guess maybe you could compare the quality of the engineering, but that's kinda hard to do without actually understanding it on a pretty good level. I don't know of any people who could really do that well. Just from a layman's point of view, though, the Valkyrie is quite far from where it should have been. 1400kg? Using Porsche tires instead of bespoke to the car? Can't be made to work inside of 9 years? The electric assistance only works to 100mph (or whatever it was - so it's virtually useless except for setting off)? Car melts its license plates on track? Doesn't work if the temperature is 0C or less? 5000km servicing? And so on. Not brilliant, to be honest.

It's all about the design philosophy for me. The Valkyrie was no doubt compromised by the Stroll regime and AM's usual woes. But it is/was designed and made with a distinctive and particular focus: to make the most uncompromising race car you can drive on normal roads. The same goes for the T.50. Its singular mission was to repeat and enhance the F1's original mission: make the ultimate driver's car without compromises. The two vary in their approaches to being uncompromising––the AM is ruthlessly race focused while the T50 is perfectly suited and balanced for all uses and abuses––but the spirit is the same in either instance: make something no one else can and has. The One is just another hypercar with a translated F1 engine. It is fast, excellent and technologically savvy, but what is its distinctive mission/design philosophy? It escapes me.

Personally, I don't understand the engine/transmission side of things very well, but if I could afford one, I would go for the T.50 or Valkyrie––and never for the One or Chiron or any of that stuff. I admire a failed but radical engineering masterpiece more than a perfect but undaring machine. There is enough hyped mediocrity in this world.

 

[Bucketslash11]

i wonder how the Red Bull RB17 will compare

 

[duesy]

I got 4.8s and 4.6s for 100-200km/h. 200-300km/h wasn't shown so how did you time it? Or are you not talking about the Sport Auto video?

Either way, kinda bad. Shockingly bad, actually, and slower than SF90 or 765LT... somehow. Was the engine overheating again or something (even though it was done at night)? Who knows! It's an AM mystery!

As for the lap time, it's very, very far away from F1, LMP1 or LMP2 pace. In fact, it's even slower than GT3.

2:01.01 - Valkyrie

1:59.107 - GT3
1:45.357 - LMP2
1:39.207 - LMP1
1:27.26 - F1

Also lets not forget it only has 50L tank, which is good for like 5 laps. So what is this car good at again?

Relax. It's on compromised rubber, driven hard all day, and driven by second-rate drivers. In a controlled condition, the official lap times will be much different. The difference in lap times for an F1 car on practice pace and hard rubber, and the same car with softs and in race mode, is 4-7 seconds. As for the splits, we will have to wait for precise calculations.

 

[Bridster]

Relax. It's on compromised rubber, driven hard all day, and driven by second-rate drivers. In a controlled condition, the official lap times will be much different. The difference in lap times for an F1 car on practice pace and hard rubber, and the same car with softs and in race mode, is 4-7 seconds. As for the splits, we will have to wait for precise calculations.

I don't think it was on compromised rubber and neither was it driven by a second-rate driver. It was on Cup 2 Rs (while the standard journalist laps were on Cup 2s) and it was driven by Christian Gebhardt - a pro driver who also does Nurburgring laps and other lap timing for Sport Auto. And since the lap was done at an event hosted by AM themselves he probably had as much factory support as a factory driver would have. Maybe a factory driver who was more familiar with the car would be able to get an extra second or something, but that doesn't change the fact that the car has failed to deliver on its performance promises in a massive way!

I just said how it would definitely be faster than the AMG One, but looking at this lap, I am not so sure anymore!