Valkyrie [Official] Aston Martin - From AM-RB 001 to Valkyrie

[Tourbillon]

All good with the Valkery, but I want the Valhalla, I can only compare it to the Pagani's, but the Aston and its "compactness" have me, the details kill me, no photos of the interior?

 

[dalab]

Yes it can, now I like it even more with that interior although I expected it to be more "city" less rabid, like Ferrari or Lambo

 

[Tourbillon]

Drag strip vs road vs track surface is quite different from each other.
The tires have a say in all of it though.

To answer the lower half:

Ambition was very high at the time when Aston&Red Bull started development of the so called "Nebula". Like with any project, as time went on the ambitions were reduced until we got the final product. That's why I precisely said that the claims were vaporwave from Aston Martin's marketing department, a realization that came once the spec sheet got leaked on my part.

I boarded the hype train, no doubt. Upon retrospect, its pretty clear that the ambitions for the performance got reduced with each step Aston Martin took with the project. That's a fact. The point is however that even without Newey and major money issues at hand they still managed to make and deliver it to customers. (Yes, in a broken, but fixable state in my eyes.)

I was aboard too. But it as time went on (because of things like COVID too, people need to remember those delays!) some of the claims were looking wild!

 

[Matski]

Then why don't you compare it to the F1 cars from its own era since the Valkyrie's tech, drivetrain and aero were set in stone with the 2017 prototype? It's only fair because the so-called claims about its performance were made in comparison to existing figures at the time. In 2017, on the same track, Kimmi's Ferrari (which came last in FP1, thus setting a fair benchmark for a road car) managed 1:42 on *F1 slicks* and with Kimmi behind the wheel.

That's quite a large window you're giving the F1 car. Bottas' qually time was 1:28.7. SA time was 2:01. 31.4 seconds difference. For my money, almost as fast as F1 would be something like 107% rule + a second or two. If it will get around the circuit in 1:36ish on slicks, I'd buy "almost as fast as F1".

 

[duesy]

That's quite a large window you're giving the F1 car. Bottas' qually time was 1:28.7. SA time was 2:01. 31.4 seconds difference. For my money, almost as fast as F1 would be something like 107% rule + a second or two. If it will get around the circuit in 1:36ish on slicks, I'd buy "almost as fast as F1".

But the Valkyrie's time came not on slicks, driven by Bottas, in race condition, or on quali pace. The BIC's outright record is 1:27, anyway! Even a car that's only 20 seconds slower than the fastest F1 car is good enough for me. I feel that many folks here have not driven around a proper race circuit in a blisteringly fast car––let alone something like the Valkyrie. You need to be in shape just to tolerate the Gs. There is no more to say for now; I'll wait for an official lap around the Ring or another more familiar track. I'll leave you with a review that didn't age well and wondering how many people would take this 'failure' in a heartbeat over anything else if they could afford it.

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[Tourbillon]

Cool as, little back story!

 

[Matski]

But the Valkyrie's time came not on slicks, driven by Bottas, in race condition, or on quali pace.

Then for now, it cannot be said it's almost as fast as an F1 car, in my humble opinion of course.

 

[bmwz4coupe]

Then why don't you compare it to the F1 cars from its own era since the Valkyrie's tech, drivetrain and aero were set in stone with the 2017 prototype? It's only fair because the so-called claims about its performance were made in comparison to existing figures at the time. In 2017, on the same track, Kimmi's Ferrari (which came last in FP1, thus setting a fair benchmark for a road car) managed 1:42 on *F1 slicks* and with Kimmi behind the wheel. So Valkyrie does 2:00 on Cup rubber, with an armature behind the wheel, in less than ideal conditions and with little driver familiarity, and you think that's failure? The combination of slicks+Kimmi would easily reduce the Valkyrie's times by 8-14 seconds. Give us all a break, please.

Matski alteady corrected your claims and clarified. Valkyries is long, long, long behind its claims and therefore a failure.
And another amusing thing to read is that the higly praised Gebhardt is now suddenly only a lousy amateur driver. He is actually very skilled and few drivers have his experience in lapping different road cars around a circuit. I am sure no F1 driver would beat him around a lap in a road car.

 

[Bucketslash11]

As for the lap time, it's very, very far away from F1, LMP1 or LMP2 pace. In fact, it's even slower than GT3.

2:01.01 - Valkyrie

1:59.107 - GT3

how much of the GT3 time is down to running on slicks? what time would a GT3 car set on road tyres?

 

[Rolf]

Can someone starts extracting performance numbers from this video please? 1155 hp. I timed 4 sec 100-200 and 200-300 in 7 sec.

I watched the Auto Sport video and did 5 stopwatch times from 100-200 and 200-300 and got close to similar times as you with the best times about 3.8sec from 100-200 and 6.7sec from 200-300.

So if the 0-100 time is about 2.5sec then 0-200 will be 6.3sec and 0-300 in 13.0sec, which is about as fast as a 1500HP Chiron but much slower than the Nevera or the Battista which do 10,5sec to 300km/h.

This car is insane, its incredibly noisy inside, most of the journalists you cant hear what they saying cause the engine and gearbox whine is so loud.

 

[Bridster]

I watched the Auto Sport video and did 5 stopwatch times from 100-200 and 200-300 and got close to similar times as you with the best times about 3.8sec from 100-200 and 6.7sec from 200-300.

So if the 0-100 time is about 2.5sec then 0-200 will be 6.3sec and 0-300 in 13.0sec, which is about as fast as a 1500HP Chiron but much slower than the Nevera or the Battista which do 10,5sec to 300km/h.

This car is insane, its incredibly noisy inside, most of the journalists you cant hear what they saying cause the engine and gearbox whine is so loud.

Where are you getting these times from? There are only three times in the video where the car goes from 100-200km/h. First is at 1:02.3-1:07.1, the second at 1:32.9-1:37.8 and third at 1:49.4-1:54.0. So it's 4.8s, 4.9s (which I didn't count because he is starting from an angle so maybe can't put the power down immediatelly) and 4.6s. The car never does 200-300km/h in one take. However, if you combined 200-270km/h in 6s from the end of the lap, with the 270-300km/h from the start in 3.5s, it would be 200-300km/h in 9.5s.

 

[Tourbillon]

I watched the Auto Sport video and did 5 stopwatch times from 100-200 and 200-300 and got close to similar times as you with the best times about 3.8sec from 100-200 and 6.7sec from 200-300.

So if the 0-100 time is about 2.5sec then 0-200 will be 6.3sec and 0-300 in 13.0sec, which is about as fast as a 1500HP Chiron but much slower than the Nevera or the Battista which do 10,5sec to 300km/h.

This car is insane, its incredibly noisy inside, most of the journalists you cant hear what they saying cause the engine and gearbox whine is so loud.

I went a slightly different route. But based on my readings 0-322km/h wil be very rapid indeed if she hooks 0-100km/h. Looking Bugatti quick so, that's quick indeed!

I mean will Sport Auto release any acceleration figures? Was anyone allowed to? I don't know!

But ofcourse the electric cars will be far too strong. It's upto the new ultra hypercars to see what they can do.

 

[Tourbillon]

Where are you getting these times from? There are only three times in the video where the car goes from 100-200km/h. First is at 1:02.3-1:07.1, the second at 1:32.9-1:37.8 and third at 1:49.4-1:54.0. So it's 4.8s, 4.9s (which I didn't count because he is starting from an angle so maybe can't put the power down immediatelly) and 4.6s. The car never does 200-300km/h in one take. However, if you combined 200-270km/h in 6s from the end of the lap, with the 270-300km/h from the start in 3.5s, it would be 200-300km/h in 9.5s.

It does. It goes from 98- 323km/h in a single go. As time stamps above.

 

[Tourbillon]

I watched the Auto Sport video and did 5 stopwatch times from 100-200 and 200-300 and got close to similar times as you with the best times about 3.8sec from 100-200 and 6.7sec from 200-300.

So if the 0-100 time is about 2.5sec then 0-200 will be 6.3sec and 0-300 in 13.0sec, which is about as fast as a 1500HP Chiron but much slower than the Nevera or the Battista which do 10,5sec to 300km/h.

This car is insane, its incredibly noisy inside, most of the journalists you cant hear what they saying cause the engine and gearbox whine is so loud.

Start video^

200km/h counters set at zero^

300km/h displayed and ended^

Frame by frame 6.822 seconds 200-300km/h out of the gate. Verified? No, ofcourse not. But she's bloody quick which I already knew 161- 322km/h.

So nice stopwatch.

(I'll triple check it I always do, after awhile.)

 

[Rolf]

Start video^

200km/h counters set at zero^

300km/h displayed and ended^

Frame by frame 6.822 seconds 200-300km/h out of the gate. Verified? No, ofcourse not. But she's bloody quick which I already knew 161- 322km/h.

So nice stopwatch.

(I'll triple check it I always do, after awhile.)

Thanks for sharing that is an interesting app. Nice to know my time from 200 to 300 is not far off yours hahaha

 

[Tourbillon]

Thanks for sharing that is an interesting app. Nice to know my time from 200 to 300 is not far off yours hahaha

Yes it's an absolutely fascinating little program. I wish they'd make an application for it. I've calibrated it against Dragy Leaderboard runs so it's legitimate. I've been using it since May last year when the Americans their top speed run. Guess, I was checking a little!

 

[Bucketslash11]

Thanks for sharing that is an interesting app. Nice to know my time from 200 to 300 is not far off yours hahaha

framecounting is how speedrunners determine the exact time of a speedrun in case someone is close to breaking a world record, it works well for timing accaleration too

 

[tristatez28lt1]

Start video^

200km/h counters set at zero^

300km/h displayed and ended^

Frame by frame 6.822 seconds 200-300km/h out of the gate. Verified? No, ofcourse not. But she's bloody quick which I already knew 161- 322km/h.

So nice stopwatch.

(I'll triple check it I always do, after awhile.)

Thank you! What a sick app - oh man this will throw off my day planning

 

[Tourbillon]

Thank you! What a sick app - oh man this will throw off my day planning

This one is cooler!

Car Specifications and Performance Simulations

Car Specs Database with technical and performance data on 50,000+ vehicles

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I Love it!

 

[Bridster]

Well, congrats on figuring out how inaccurate Valkyrie's speedometer is. We get a video with GPS speed and you go measure the acceleration by the one part of the video where only speedo is shown. It takes a special kind of genius to do that.

None of you are allowed to talk anymore, back to school with the lot of you!

The actual acceleration is what I posted, i.e. 100-200km/h in 4.6s and 4.8s and 200-300km/h (combined from two different runs) in 9.5s.