GranTurismo [Official] 2022 All-new Maserati Granturismo

[Ghost1]

There is no hype around this car.

Lòoks good though.

 

[Serpens]

There is no hype around this car.

Lòoks good though.

Is there any hype around any large GT car these days? I suppose the Ferrari Roma is still relevant, but outside of that I'm struggling. I got some seat time in one of these last time I was in Milan and absolutely loved it outside of the price. That being said, it's little surprise this is a dying segment. Even Bentley is having issues in this segment in the U.S. as Continental GT sales trend downward.

 

[Jonathan19]

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[Centurion]

Is there any hype around any large GT car these days? I suppose the Ferrari Roma is still relevant, but outside of that I'm struggling. I got some seat time in one of these last time I was in Milan and absolutely loved it outside of the price. That being said, it's little surprise this is a dying segment. Even Bentley is having issues in this segment in the U.S. as Continental GT sales trend downward.

Excellent point.
The hype around GTs is lacking because supercars like the 911 Turbo and 296 can be daily driven compared with supercars of 15-20 years ago. You don't need to own a supercar and a GT. Furthermore a souped up SUVs like an Urus, G63 or Range Rover Sport can serve the GT role and do more stuff too!

It's a bummer because the new Gran Turismo is gorgeous.

 

[Merc1]

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[Tourbillon]

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[Tourbillon]

2024 Maserati GranTurismo Trofeo Test: Grand Tourific!

The latest version of Maserati's life's-been-good coupe switches to a new powerplant yet maintains its persona.

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a60466315/2024-maserati-granturismo-trofeo-test/

 

[Mr. Mercedes]

Wow...a Maser that I actually think looks desirable internally and externally.

 

[Centurion]

The price hurts my head. Out of all luxury/sporty GT cars, this one offers the worst value.

 

[martinbo]

Out of all luxury/sporty GT cars, this one offers the worst value.

Compared to what, though?

 

[Centurion]

Compared to what, though?

The Granturismo is in no man's land.

It's nice to drive but so is a Panamera, M4 or RRS SV and almost any performance car today. You don't have a buy a GT coupe to get best of both worlds. I love the design of the GranTurismo. It's gorgeous but it's priced far too close to an MC20 and too far from a Levante without any technical justification.

Ferrari is also a stronger competitor this time around. You can walk into a Ferrari dealer and pick up a sub 4k mile Roma with several years warranty and maintenance plan for less than a Granturismo Trofeo. The Roma like the DB12, AMG GT, Vantage and BGT have a V8 engines for more 'emotions'. Sure, some people don't want a shouty Ferrari.

It lacks a unique selling point whether it's performance, exhaust note, customisation, laddering to exclusive limited edition supercars.

In all fairness, Maserati have done well to develop an EV variant that looks identical to the ICE one. The development of a new V6 and electric drivetrain won't have been cheap and need to be recouped through high pricing.

 

[Merc1]

Knock off about 50-60K and it would be a lot better proposition.

M

 

[Centurion]

Knock off about 50-60K and it would be a lot better proposition.

M

Agree. Maserati have learned little from the predecessor which was a dated and overpriced dinosaur for years before it was replaced.

 

[martinbo]

It's nice to drive but so is a Panamera, M4 or RRS SV and almost any performance car today. You don't have a buy a GT coupe to get best of both worlds. I love the design of the GranTurismo. It's gorgeous but it's priced far too close to an MC20 and too far from a Levante without any technical justification.

To speak of these cars in the context of what a Grand Tourer is, is to miss the essence of what a GT is altogether. For that matter, one may as well mention an M340i which would make as well-suited a car to go "touring" in as those you've stated above. As for an MC20 - it's a supercar and hardly appealing to do great distances in.

None of these cars have that element that's fundamental to what a true Grand Tourer portrays: glamour. The Gran Turismo is beautiful, with an effortless elegance that no Panamera, M4 or Range Rover Sport can hope to match on a Riviera porte cochere. None of these cars have the image to make a statement of wealth and class like the Maserati does.

Ferrari is also a stronger competitor this time around. You can walk into a Ferrari dealer and pick up a sub 4k mile Roma with several years warranty and maintenance plan for less than a Granturismo Trofeo. The Roma like the DB12, AMG GT, Vantage and BGT have a V8 engines for more 'emotions'. Sure, some people don't want a shouty Ferrari.

It lacks a unique selling point whether it's performance, exhaust note, customisation, laddering to exclusive limited edition supercars.

The Roma may be the better driver's car but it has its own stigma of being the "entry level" model. It's pretty enough but I don't think it's as classically beautiful as the Gran Turismo. Of course, new, it's still about GBP 185K base which is 20K more expensive than the better GT Maserati.
The Aston Martin DB12 - probably the closest in terms of the GT concept - is also 20K more and, for me, has lost a fair deal of that classic elegance of something like a DB9 / DBS / Vanquish of yesteryear in favour of a more brutish persona.

People go on about how the Gran Turismo is too slow, or too heavy, or not dynamic enough, or having an engine that's "only a V6" - to which I say is missing the point. To my mind, it's the embodiment of what a Gran Tourer ought to be in the classical sense of the concept.

 

[Merc1]

To speak of these cars in the context of what a Grand Tourer is, is to miss the essence of what a GT is altogether. For that matter, one may as well mention an M340i which would make as well-suited a car to go "touring" in as those you've stated above. As for an MC20 - it's a supercar and hardly appealing to do great distances in.

None of these cars have that element that's fundamental to what a true Grand Tourer portrays: glamour. The Gran Turismo is beautiful, with an effortless elegance that no Panamera, M4 or Range Rover Sport can hope to match on a Riviera porte cochere. None of these cars have the image to make a statement of wealth and class like the Maserati does.

The Roma may be the better driver's car but it has its own stigma of being the "entry level" model. It's pretty enough but I don't think it's as classically beautiful as the Gran Turismo. Of course, new, it's still about GBP 185K base which is 20K more expensive than the better GT Maserati.
The Aston Martin DB12 - probably the closest in terms of the GT concept - is also 20K more and, for me, has lost a fair deal of that classic elegance of something like a DB9 / DBS / Vanquish of yesteryear in favour of a more brutish persona.

People go on about how the Gran Turismo is too slow, or too heavy, or not dynamic enough, or having an engine that's "only a V6" - to which I say is missing the point. To my mind, it's the embodiment of what a Gran Tourer ought to be in the classical sense of the concept.

I agree with most of this for sure, the comparison to a M340i is invalid. This is a beautiful car for sure, but for over 200K there are better choices and people shopping at this level aren't worried about an an extra 20-50K to get a Ferrari or whatever else is close in price. A Maserati's price shouldn't be in close proximity to any Ferrari. The Mercedes SL has the same issue as a SL63 is not 200K car, but on paper it's a better value than this Maserati. The romantic part though, the SL can't match which leaves a place in the world for the Maser. The only issue with this car is the price, not the package itself IMO.

M

 

[martinbo]

I agree with most of this for sure, the comparison to a M340i is invalid.

Agree. The point I'm making (and not comparing) is mentioning an M4 in the same breath as a Gran Turismo is no less invalid.

 

[empower77]

None of these cars have the image to make a statement of wealth and class like the Maserati does.

Does the Maserati have that brand cache anymore? There was a time when Maserati was up there with the likes of Aston Martin and Bentley but they have severely diluted their brand with sub standard products over the last decade.

In my eyes they are nothing more than a glorified Stellantis product.

 

[Merc1]

That may be why they priced this car so high. To get back to that status/level by leaving the thrift buyers who got a cheap Ghibli on lease, behind.

M

 

[martinbo]

Does the Maserati have that brand cache anymore?

Well, depends on how far back one looks. Maserati's image is well-known for yo-yoing over the years. Right now, with cars like MC20 and Gran Turismo, plus a healthy pair of distinctive SUVs built on a great platform with solid mechanicals such as ZF8HP, the trident is looking pretty shiny to me.

There was a time when Maserati was up there with the likes of Aston Martin and Bentley but they have severely diluted their brand with sub standard products over the last decade.

When was that?

In my eyes they are nothing more than a glorified Stellantis product.

I'm not a fan of most of Stellantis' brands and models but I believe that Maserati is the crown jewel and that the brand is being done justice.

I mean, this is a good-looking, posh interior that doesn't pander to the supadupascreen crowd:

And as for the exterior:

Simply bellissima!

 

[RacingLover]

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