Discovery Sport [Official] 2015 Land Rover Discovery Sport

[KiwiRob]

A better badge? Now you value the "weight" of the badge, after you were insulting @Betty Swollocks of a badge whore for having an Audi?
By your logic, why getting the Disco, when the cheaper, MUCH more reliable and better built Kia/Hyundai/etc cost much less?

Also, now you value the seven seats? Weren't you the guy trying to knock down Tesla's 5+2 configuration because of safety reasons?

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I still stand behind what I said rear facing back seats are not what I thing are a very good or safe idea and I still contend that they should be banned. All it will take is a couple of kids being crushed in the back of a Tesla and the ensuing lawsuit and they will be gone.

 

[Giannis]

rom eveything I've read all it shares with the Evoque and Freelander 2 are the front suspension and engine, from the floor pan back it's all new including an all new rear suspension. So I feel pretty confident it will be pretty different from the Freelander.

Off course it will be different. The sheet metal and interior is different. That's what you see. The suspension and engines are the same. That's what you get.

Edit. To give credit where it's due, I think KiwiRob is right about the Tesla's back seats.

 

[KiwiRob]

@Gianclaudio

I normally wouldn't go so yellow press, but if you recall, it was our friend, KiwiRob, that was shouting everywhere that the A1 is a rebadged VW Polo that sells for a stupid premium. And you won't believe who forgot this, changed his mind completely and did exactly what he denounced.

All in all, I understand the need for a valued badge - I feel it in my working environment and it's one reason I still drive a Volvo. I can understand the need for 7 seats, but then again, there are cars that were designed with one specific target, which is for 7 people to travel comfortably. The Renault Espace or the cheaper Grand Scenic are two such examples.

The only thing I don't understand is how can one fall for JLR's crap so easily.

I have no problem being a hypocrite.

Yet the RR, RRS, Evoque are flying out the showroom's faster than ever, sales are booming, so I think you are wrong, I also think the Germans brands would be doing themselves an injustice if they fail to take JLR seriously.

 

[KiwiRob]

Off course it will be different. The sheet metal and interior is different. That's what you see. The suspension and engines are the same. That's what you get.

Edit. To give credit where it's due, I think KiwiRob is right about the Tesla's back seats.

The rear suspension and floorpan are also different.

I wouldn't put my kids in the rear facing seats of an E Class either.

 

[marley71]

Best looking in class: check (subjective but almost unanimous)
Best off-road ability in class: check (not by much perhaps)
Best seating flexibility in class: check (granted it is +2 rather than a proper 7 seat)

Yes it doesn't have the latest tech, but is the tech that far behind its competitors? Look at the recent Q7, not the same class of course, but it's a monstrosity. Look at the GLE, another car for the blind. The X5 is a smart looking SUV, so is the Range Rover, less so the Sport and Evoque to my eyes. The X3 and Q5 are also disasters. The Touareg isn't bad either, the Koreans and Japanese have forgettable offerings apart from the Acuras, and of course Subarus always make great Subarus, for those so inclined. This is a standout job in the world of SUVs/CUVs, apart from tech. That may not be saying much, but it's a fine car.

 

[Giannis]

The rear suspension and floorpan are also different.

Of course they are. They had to be re-engineered in order to accommodate the space required and extra weight added by the two extra seats.

 

[marley71]

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[marley71]

http://www.express.co.uk/life-style/cars/546685/Review-Land-Rover-Discovery-Sport

Despite no owners having yet driven the new Sport or even having sat inside it Land rover is already sitting on a healthy 2,500 orders in the UK alone.
With the Halewood plant already working 24 hours a day to meet worldwide orders Land rover is about to have one of the nicest problems in the car industry: a waiting list for two of the hottest new cars in showrooms today. But this is just the start. ......

 

[martinbo]

I must just say, in spite of the robust debate, that you conduct your arguments in civil and classy manner marley71.

 

[SCOTT27]

I still stand behind what I said rear facing back seats are not what I thing are a very good or safe idea and I still contend that they should be banned. All it will take is a couple of kids being crushed in the back of a Tesla and the ensuing lawsuit and they will be gone.

Did that actually happen with kids in the rear seats?
I am current testing a Tesla Model S and I am wary about filling all the seats.

 

[KiwiRob]

Did that actually happen with kids in the rear seats?
I am current testing a Tesla Model S and I am wary about filling all the seats.

No, but what if kids were in the back they would be somewhat shorter or more likely dead.

 

[savage-It]

Nice video in Iceland: Autocar Review

Minute 3:27...Fantastic

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[Gianclaudio]

I still stand behind what I said rear facing back seats are not what I thing are a very good or safe idea and I still contend that they should be banned. All it will take is a couple of kids being crushed in the back of a Tesla and the ensuing lawsuit and they will be gone.

That's your argument? A random picture of a crashed Tesla, when we don't know anything about the speed the car was travelling, or if any other car was involved or what hited before?
You could possible swap the car for a Defender or E class wagon or whatever car we can imagine and take the same illogical conclusions from observing a picture.

Great to see the one-picture-based structural engineers back in the forum!

There a large difference between rear facing like the Tesla where the kids feet are right in the crash zone than forward facing seats like in the vast majority of +2 seats. If you actually read my criticism of the Tesla ou should have understood that.

Please be kind to enlighten me with your incommensurable wisdom about automotive's body structures and their deformation under stress produced by crashes. Will absolutely love to read your engineer arguments and facts oh the large difference between rear and frontal facing seats.

 

[KiwiRob]

I don't really care what you're opinion is, I have mine and I'll stick with it. It's pretty obvious that in a rear facing seat like the Tesla's the child's feet are much closer to the impact zone than a proper people carrier with front facing seats. I don't know if you've ever looked in the back of one but I'd guess the distance from the footwell to the bumper is less than 30cm, that's not a large crumple zone IMO.

I also wouldn't want to put children back there if I lived in a hot country, the kids sit under a large class window, there's no AC back there so you're going to microwave them.

In this respect it's not a well thought out design, it's a gimmick.

 

[Rolf]

Any seats in the luggage area whether forward facing or rear facing are a safety hazard in a rear impact. Forward facing is more dangerous in my opinion as the passenger upper body is exposed to the short crumple zone of the rear hatch and the head is exposed to the rear glass. In a heavy rear impact the forward movement of the hatch will impact against the seat back and upper body of these passengers forcing the seats forward and crushing their legs against the second row back rests. Rear facing is safer as passengers have reduced frontal movement whiplash when the car brakes as the backrest of this is supported by second row backrest. Only the passenger legs are exposed to the rear short crumple zone if the rear glass shatters it's less chance of their heads and faced been exposed to impact of the glass.

 

[marley71]

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[Merc1]

This thing is going to put Land Rover in the money printing business in the U.S.

M

 

[KiwiRob]

This thing is going to put Land Rover in the money printing business in the U.S.

M

Weren't they already in the money printing business with the Evoque, they've built 400,000 of them so far.

 

[Wolfgang]

Bosch makes emergency braking possible using just a video sensor
Bosch has developed a stereo video camera with which an emergency braking system can function based solely on camera data. Land Rover offers the stereo video camera together with the Bosch emergency braking system as standard in its new Discovery Sport.

Source: Bosch

 

[Giannis]

Renaming the Freelander to Discovery Sport was a brilliant idea.

Kudos to whoever thought of it.

Facepalm for those that won't get the difference!