M5 Official: 2013 BMW M5 to get six-speed manual as no-cost option

[Bartek S.]

I personally have no opinion about manual in F10 until I try. E60 no problems with it, very satisfy, 48 000 km on a meter, great ride, I can't ask for more.
I'm not driving my M5 now, is put away for 3 months of winter.

 

[klier]

What's the winter ride Bartek?

 

[mini_cooper4]

What's the winter ride Bartek?

A Vermilion Red X5

 

[GTA45E]

Great!
I suspect it won`t be as quick or fuel efficient as the MCT unit.

 

[hoffmeister_fan]

It's nice to get a first-hand opinion from Bartek.

Levi, to answer your question regarding why a large sedan doesn't exist with a V12 + Manual trans. Large V12 cars are supposed to be posh, smooth, effortless cruisers with endless torque and power and that's how they are marketed. THere exists a small market for V12 sedans. There exists an even tinier market in which someone in a large sedan with a V12 would want to drive a manual transmission like he was Ayrton Senna. BTW, there's a name for that tiny market: Jason Statham....and that was an inline 6.

Also, i'm now on the fence whether a MT in a R35 GTR would work. In all previous Skyline GTRs with their turbo 2.6L I-6, they were MTs and they worked brilliantly, but on an R35, which even more robotized than it's predecessors, it may not work.

 

[Bartek S.]

What's the winter ride Bartek?

Not to bad aspetialy with a Vermilion Red X5.
I was driving until one week before Christmas this winter on and of when was no snowing. M5 is e car drivable during a winter but of corse not as much fun as summer. My winter tyres are very god but rear is sliping a lot, so I have to kip my foot very gently on my accelerator. Driving is much plaesant with 2 pasengers in a back seat or 60 kg cat litter in a trunk (that what I'm using to balance its height in a back).

 

[330CIZHP]

Have you ever compared your 6 speed manual M5 with the SMG7 version of the M5?? If so, how did you like/dislike about the SMG7 M5??

I get enticed a lot by the E60 M5 considering these days 2006 - 2007 M5 on autotrader.ca go for $40,000 - $45,000 in Canada with low miles on them. However, usually the flip side of high maintenance costs keeps me from seriously contemplating.

Not to bad aspetialy with a Vermilion Red X5.
I was driving until one week before Christmas this winter on and of when was no snowing. M5 is e car drivable during a winter but of corse not as much fun as summer. My winter tyres are very god but rear is sliping a lot, so I have to kip my foot very gently on my accelerator. Driving is much plaesant with 2 pasengers in a back seat or 60 kg cat litter in a trunk (that what I'm using to balance its height in a back).

 

[-=Hot|Ice=-]

Honestly, the reason automatics and automated manuals are taking over is because they can shift faster then a human ever could. Faster then a blink of an eye. You can be the best and fastest human stick shifter in the world. You won't match a dual clutch. They offer greater performance and that's what the M5 is geared towards delivering.

 

[Bartek S.]

Have you ever compared your 6 speed manual M5 with the SMG7 version of the M5?? If so, how did you like/dislike about the SMG7 M5??

Yes of course I tryed E60 with SMG, I like it - no. I did a lots of reserch concerning this problem before buying my M5 and I don't regret my decision about manual trans. It's all about feeling of your car, with manual trans you are driving your car, with automatic is like video game, not the same feeling. I'm more old fashion driver and in to manual control of a car, but somtimes you realise that with to much power of the engine you better of with automatic control of your car. Driving en M5 is an very special expirience, it's a big car, you have to get use to it, feel it, control its power then you can use it. That is the reason I didn't take it yet tu the track, I might be ready this summer. Manual trans is like waking in your own shoes, automatic - your shoes taks you for a ride. There are allways likes and dislikes but you have to take your own decision were to go.

If you like to buy en M5 go to visit M5BOARD, it's very helful: E60 M5 and E61 M5 Touring Discussion - The Unofficial BMW M5 Messageboard (m5board.com)

 

[Centurion]

It's nice to get a first-hand opinion from Bartek.

Levi, to answer your question regarding why a large sedan doesn't exist with a V12 + Manual trans. Large V12 cars are supposed to be posh, smooth, effortless cruisers with endless torque and power and that's how they are marketed. THere exists a small market for V12 sedans. There exists an even tinier market in which someone in a large sedan with a V12 would want to drive a manual transmission like he was Ayrton Senna.

Let's not forget that very civilians would be able to manually handle 800-1000nm of torque without shredding the clutch every 8000km. Sure it's great for low volume manufacturers like Ferrari that scoup profits from service visits but its not ideal.

BMW were smart to offer the manual gears, especially when Porsche a lurking in their yard with a manual Panamera to rub M5 buyers from BMW.

 

[330CIZHP]

What a clever way to put it. I love that analogy.

Could not have said it better myself.

Driving en M5 is an very special expirience, it's a big car, you have to get use to it, feel it, control its power then you can use it. That is the reason I didn't take it yet tu the track, I might be ready this summer. Manual trans is like waking in your own shoes, automatic - your shoes taks you for a ride. There are allways likes and dislikes but you have to take your own decision were to go.

 

[330CIZHP]

Who says you cannot hard launch a 6 speed manual BMW M5???

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[Levi68]

It should really be fun to manually shift a 5.0 500 PS V10 engine. With won't be easy with the M5 F10 having 700 Nm torque.

 

[martinbo]

Ah, so:
- 373 kW, 520 Nm V10 engine = "fun to manually shift"
vs.
- 412 kW, 700 Nm V8 engine = "Won't be(i.e. not) easy"

Thanks for this, please will you indicate where the line is drawn in the respective differences of 39 kW and 180 Nm so that I can use it to look like a proper automotive intellectual.

 

[Levi68]

Ah, so:
- 373 kW, 520 Nm V10 engine = "fun to manually shift"
vs.
- 412 kW, 700 Nm V8 engine = "Won't be(i.e. not) easy"

Thanks for this, please will you indicate where the line is drawn in the respective differences of 39 kW and 180 Nm so that I can use it to look like a proper automotive intellectual.

FI torque vs. NA torque my friend.

 

[klier]

FI torque vs. NA torque my friend.

When are you going to stop, and do you even have your drivers license?

 

[martinbo]

FI torque vs. NA torque my friend.

Bwuhahahahahaha! Oh man... This made my day. I had no idea that forced induction Newton-metres are different to normally aspirated Newton-metres. Dang. That explains it now!

 

[south]

Bwuhahahahahaha! Oh man... This made my day. I had no idea that forced induction Newton-metres are different to normally aspirated Newton-metres. Dang. That explains it now!

Come on, Martin, don't you know? It's really common knowledge that forced induction Nm are totally different from normally aspirated Nm, much like Porsche HP are more than any other brand's HP. And you call yourself a car enthusiast? Pfft!


Best regards,
south

 

[Deckhook]

^The whole Porsche's power being more is a myth, it's all down to the superior traction from engine placement.

It should really be fun to manually shift a 5.0 500 PS V10 engine. With won't be easy with the M5 F10 having 700 Nm torque.

Call me stupid but what exactly do you mean by this. Easier and more fun in what context?

 

[330CIZHP]

Bwuhahahahahaha! Oh man... This made my day. I had no idea that forced induction Newton-metres are different to normally aspirated Newton-metres. Dang. That explains it now!

In Levi's defense, ofcourse people really know what he is saying. He means "torque curve" is different.