A8/S8 [Official] 2013 Audi S8

[Deckhook]

You really wanna start that discussion again?


Best regards,
south

Did you read my post South because it was only one sentence and it had the words 'IN MY OPINION' which is something I am perfectly entitled to have thank you very much or is this no longer an entitlement.

 

[south]

Did you read my post South because it was only one sentence and it had the words 'IN MY OPINION' which is something I am perfectly entitled to have thank you very much or is this no longer an entitlement.

Opinion or not, you can't help yourself but always come up with these 'better than...' or 'only a few equals' comments. Not sure why you feel the need to do that all the time.


Best regards,
south

 

[Hofmeister]

Well with the whole financial might of VAG ( a consortium with the financial backing of 10 highly profitable car makes ) behind it, and the fact that it will find its way into many Audis Bentleys and possibly Porsches, it has no right to be anything less than perfect. This is not Audis achievement

 

[Deckhook]

This is not Audis achievement

I'm curious, is this your opinion or is it fact because you left out either one or the other in your post.

 

[Hofmeister]

Why it is, IMO, not Audis achievement is because I think its naive to think Porsche and Bentley didnt have some involvement in its development the amount of cars it features/will feature in is massive. S6, S7, S8, Conti GT V8, next Q7, Porsche Macan, and the Panamera junior. This is VAG's achievement, not solely Audis IMO

 

[Deckhook]

^So in you opinion Audi couldn't have possible developed this themselves. lol Well frankly I couldn't give a flying f*** who gets the credit for it, all I think is it's an engine with few equals.

 

[Levi68]

All I think is it's an engine with few equals.

BMW N63/S63? I mean VAG "copied" it.

 

[south]

Thanks for proving my point, Levi. Bob really begged for this to happen.


Best regards,
south

 

[Deckhook]

BMW N63/S63? I mean VAG "copied" it.

Copy suggests they waited until BMW released their engine and then developed their own after this point, it's possible but this would be a very short development period which I don't think is a reality, BMW were definitely first in concept and production but I think both sets of engineers were thinking of the same solution around the same time period.

Anyhow I agree the N/S63 is an equally exceptional engine.

 

[Sunny]

BMW N63/S63? I mean VAG "copied" it.

And as is usually norm the original is always the better one - even if you ignore the absolute HP advantage S63 has which is easily tuned/changed with these turbo engines, the S63Tu gets to the peak torque earlier and holds it longer and the top end lasts much longer.

 

[south]

Copy suggests they waited until BMW released their engine and then developed their own after this point, it's possible but this would be a very short development period which I don't think is a reality, BMW were definitely first in concept and production but I think both sets of engineers were thinking of the same solution around the same time period.

Anyhow I agree the N/S63 is an equally exceptional engine.

Here we go again. Just read up the old posts to see how Audi had plenty of development time after BMW came up with the N63. Also, the S63 surely is not only 'equally exceptional' as it got a patented (read: Audi couldn't/can't follow) exhaust manifold.


Best regards,
south

 

[Deckhook]

^Yawn...... usual South post. I didn't turn this into a BMW vs thread that was you guys, all I said was that it had few equals which remain true.

@Sunny, can't deny the data though an extra 10% capacity should yield more output and possibly a boarder torque band. Though they are minus cylinder deactivation which while wont improve performance will/should make it greener. Also we are discussing only an S engine and not an RS one, will be interesting to read what if any changes have been made.

 

[martinbo]

Go yawn somewhere else Bob. Frankly, if you can't contribute something meaningful, informative, factual or useful then rather don't post at all.

Why do you go to such lengths to perpetuate your Audi propaganda? Why did you have to bring up the issue about this engine being among the finest? What are you trying to prove? Why are you so hell-bent on getting us to believe that Audi was working on the same concept at much the same time as BMW? They're bloody years behind in delivering the same concept they - purportedly by your reckoning - happened to be working on at the same time as their competitor and that is the only, irrefutable fact!

Leave your bias-oriented conjecture elsewhere because it's detrimental. We can't learn from speculation, manipulation and obfuscation - any fool can construct an argument using these techniques. Please, try and add some value to this forum.

P.S. Don't respond to this message. Consequences will result in inconvenience.

 

[klier]

^So in you opinion Audi couldn't have possible developed this themselves. lol Well frankly I couldn't give a flying f*** who gets the credit for it, all I think is it's an engine with few equals.

With few equals, and at least ONE being superior in pretty much every way. And yes I am talking about the OLD N63. Not the revised 450 hp Valvetronic version.

Sorry guys, I couldn't resist after 10 Footie posts.

 

[Giannis]

^So in you opinion Audi couldn't have possible developed this themselves. lol Well frankly I couldn't give a flying f*** who gets the credit for it, all I think is it's an engine with few equals.

^Yawn...... usual South post. I didn't turn this into a BMW vs thread that was you guys, all I said was that it had few equals which remain true.

@Sunny, can't deny the data though an extra 10% capacity should yield more output and possibly a boarder torque band. Though they are minus cylinder deactivation which while wont improve performance will/should make it greener. Also we are discussing only an S engine and not an RS one, will be interesting to read what if any changes have been made.

Oh for God's sake. With all honesty, can you find me one post of yours where the discussion is about technical issues, where you didn't post some random hypothesis of yours, then being confronted with hard evidence of yourself being wrong, and then trying to find a gazillion excuses to justify why you were wrong?

Seriously, why don't you respect the fact that you are here, when you should have said goodbye, quite a long time ago? Try to do a bit of investigation. Even writing your thought in Google search and hitting the "I feel lucky" button, will vastly improve the quality of your posts!

Oh my...

 

[L0U]

the 3.0T shares bore and stroke with the 4.0T......porsche is using the 3.0T since 2011 in the hybrid cayenne....after it was in the S4 in 2010. The new 4.0T is the base engine in the bently, and the upgrade for the S8. Vag designed the w engine, and the pair of them created the bugatti version.

It safe to say that al the recent comparison tests have Audi doing just fine, and although its a tuff pill for the ones losing market share to swallow..its the facts. detuned 4.0T in S6 picked over the M5...hows that feel. A7 just picked over the 6 grand coupe....S4 picked over the 335is....
How can you with a straight face think that an engine that is 4 litres vs 4.4 doesn't measure up...when the detuned version was picked in the s6. Hows 4400lbs of luxury car getting 37.2mpg taste? going 0-100km/hr in 4 seconds, 0-200 in 13.1 seconds, braking from 100-zero in 32.5 meters...yes beter than the M5. All while being packaged in the most luxury interior in the business.

Don't bring a knife to a gun fight....bmw and merc can be your choice sure, but if you are puting down Audi in 2013...your 10 years to late, and sound rediculous....like open a magazine and see what the whole world is saying. People are leaving bmw and buying audi...in alarming nubers.

The first step is recognizing that bmw is not wiing any of the comparison tests any more....cept M3. People wil stil buy them sure. Being first to market means nothing compared to being best in class...the future is ahead...don't live for the past....or you get left behind.

You might not think the 4.0T is thebestengine.....but it is 100% thebest package in the world to drop into an S8 right now. Performance, consumption, size, weight, price to build(due to shared parts), silky smooth with engine mount tech/noice cancellaton.

I'l go out on a limb and predict the s8 wins the best in class comparo when it happens....or is thatnot fair, since its an obvious conclusion.

 

[Deckhook]

With few equals, and at least ONE being superior in pretty much every way. And yes I am talking about the OLD N63. Not the revised 450 hp Valvetronic version.

650i GC output figures. Impressive torque figures but no where near as wide reaching as either the S63 or 4.0TFSi.

Not entirely sure how wide the torque band was before Valvetronic was added so maybe it benefits in other ways, can you enlighten us Klier?

 

[ACE]

This Audi vs BMW crap belongs in Internal Combustion not this Official Audi S8 thread... so many moderators and senior members who should know better getting involved too. GCF is getting worse and worse, it won't be long before you lot are arguing amongst just yourselves here.

 

[Giannis]

This Audi vs BMW crap belongs in Internal Combustion not this Official Audi S8 thread... so many moderators and senior members who should know better getting involved too. GCF is getting worse and worse, it won't be long before you lot are arguing amongst just yourselves here.

Sure, the usual Audi vs BMW discussions (I usually prefer that word over "crap") belong to the IC section, but it is inevitable that an engine will be briefly compared to its rivals. If and when this discussion within the Official Audi S8 thread become large and focused enough, it will be saperated and moved to the IC, but as far as the issue is mainly with Audi, and it is limited to only a few posts, it will remain in this thread.

If you have a different opinion you are free and welcome to voice it. You can contact a moderator of your choise or report a post from this thread and write us your opinion.

An "angry" post like the one I quoted only makes the situation worse.

 

[Kowalski]

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