Gone off track Off Topic posts - Autocar: Audi A7 vs BMW 6er vs MB CLS

[Betty Swollocks]

You're not thinking straight, but I am not even going to bother.
Think of it what you want, or just go away.

This is exactly what is happening Klier. You make a comment about someone (twice in this thread), which just about stays within the realms of acceptability, but adds nothing to the thread and just derails it. Then you sit back with the help of protection from the mods who feel some bizarre sense of kinship with you.

You might be immune from action but who will you have to wind up when all the other contributors leave the forum? I'm getting to the point where I've had enough of you and the bias towards you.

And this isn't just about you. It's about Sunny who constantly attacks Deckhook, occassionally with such vile language as to be completely unacceptable. Let's not forget, he asked Deckhook whether he was sexually abused by a relative. Utter disgrace.

I have no favouritism towards Deckhook. I don't know him. I can take him or leave him. But i will not accept is disgusting behaviour and language directed at people on a constant basis.

 

[Deckhook]

Haha, just because I don't like your horrible Audi brand? LOL, you're something dude, really.

Klier, it these comments above that really do get people's backs up, can you not realise this.

Just put me on your ignore list please, better for all of us. I was here years before you came, and even more years before your buddy Betty Swollocks came here, and believe me, I will be here when you guys are long gone.

The very fact that you believe this just shows how immune you are. I don't think anyone should be immune when they behave badly, after all we are all meant to be adults here discussing the things we love to drive and whilst we don't always agree on which is best we should be able to get alone and at least respect each others opinion. Hell I have had so very heated debates here yet haven't turned to insults, it's called self control and maturity.

The only 'utter disgrace' (LOL) here is how I am being attacked by several (of course the same ones again) people for absolutely nothing. Not that I care one tiny bit of course, this is Internal Combustion and I am free to despise Audi here as much as I want. Suck it up Tumbo.

As someone who has had to deal with your constant insults and digs at being dishonest I am surprise you should feel the one hard done by but then again bullies seldom believe they are the one's to blame.

 

[Betty Swollocks]

Haha, just because I don't like your horrible Audi brand?

No it's not Klier! It's because of your actions in this thread! What do you not understand about this?

I was here years before you came, and even more years before your buddy Betty Swollocks came here, and believe me, I will be here when you guys are long gone.

What a completely arrogant and childish attitude. Actually gloating that you will be "here long after we're gone".

And since when does being here the longest give you the right to constantly break rules?

And "buddy"? Why do you see Tumbo and I as "buddies"? Just because we both own Audis? Good grief, why does everything on here have to defined by which brand you like? I PREFER BMW FFS, not that that is relevant!

The only 'utter disgrace' (LOL) here is how I am being attacked by several (of course the same ones again) people for absolutely nothing.

It's not "absolutely nothing". TWICE you have derailed the thread and attacked somebody else for no reason whatsoever.

Are you that stupid that you can't see this?!!

 

[Betty Swollocks]

This is a classic example of

1) Klier doing something wrong.

2) Somebody complains.

3) Mod does absolutely nothing (because it's someone who they favour).

4) Thread derails.


This should have been nipped in the bud by a mod when Klier TWICE broke the rules.

 

[klier]

Because I am not attacking anyone from my point of view. You are making me out to be some black and/or white figure without any scale of gray. I say, chill down a bit and don't think the worst from my posts, but the best.

As someone who has had to deal with your constant insults and digs at being dishonest I am surprise you should feel the one hard done by but then again bullies seldom believe they are the one's to blame.

You are the ONLY person on this forum who is allowed to call me a bully! No one else (I mean that)
But like you always say yourself, my skin is just as thick as yours

 

[klier]

This is a classic example of

1) Klier doing something wrong.

2) Somebody complains.

3) Mod does absolutely nothing (because it's someone who they favour).

4) Thread derails.


This should have been nipped in the bud by a mod when Klier TWICE broke the rules.

More like:

1) klier does nothing wrong

2) Betty makes a HUGE thing of NOTHING again

3) People like Deckhook and Tumbo are more than happy to join in because they hate me

4) the whole thread is derailed again because of Betty, and everything has to be deleted again.

5) Betty keeps thinking I am in love with all the mods here


This was my last post here in this thread btw. Getting sick of this negative nonsense here.
And between an A7, CLS and 6er GC, the answer is so blatantly clear I don't even have to stay...

 

[Betty Swollocks]

More like:

1) klier does nothing wrong

What planet are you on?

2) Betty makes a HUGE thing of NOTHING again

No, Chonkoa complained and the mods dismissed him, IMHO, unfairly. I then have a problem with the amount you get away with.

4) the whole thread is derailed again because of Betty, and everything has to be deleted again.

No. The thread is derailed because of YOU. How can you even claim otherwise? You're deluded and living in your own world.

 

[martinbo]

Right everyone, I refer you to the forum rules page here:

Rules & Guidelines

Please pay particular attention to point #22.

We are not here to unravel the petty bickering between members. Where do you honestly expect us to draw the line? I've not seen such a bunch of over-sensitive Primadonnas in my life.

We are not here to corroborate or dispel members' claims of what they did, do or will own. The community at large will decide whether or not they believe such claims based on the credibility and conduct of members on this forum. So, if some question the validity of a poster's claims: so be it. This is not within our control. If you're taken to task and provide "evidence" then still it's up to the individuals within this community to decide for themselves what they want and don't want to believe. We cannot police this. The internet affords an enormous opportunity - with huge leeway in scope - to falsify, mislead and for the assumption of imaginary personas. We cannot be held responsible for:
- people claiming to be someone / having something
- other people questioning the real-life validity of such claims

This is beyond our control and when members' credibility is lacking in the eyes of some then it's inevitable that they will be taken to task as some point randomly within an equally random discussion.

On the topic of ad hominem attacks: how deep into the psyche of human emotional sensitivity do you want us to delve into in order to determine what level of comment precisely constitutes a personal attack?

Here's an easy one:
"F#$k you, you ignorant cretin. My dog defecating on a keyboard can do a better job of posting something meaningful on this forum."
.
.
All the way down to this (not so easy one):
"I disagree with your opinion, from what you've said I question your age, level of education and authority on this matter."

Oh yes, some here will launch into a vociferous tirade and claim "ad-hominem" on the latter. Unfortunately everything needs to be assessed within numerous contexts - if we simply start deleting ALL differences of opinion what would happen to the discussion and debate on this forum?

We are not condoning that klier derailed the thread. We are similarly not condoning the equally derailing actions of certain members who have their own agendas on this forum.

Had klier said "Based on what I've seen from you of late, I feel that you're only here to complain about BMW..." What then? Ad hominem?

Guess what. It's all that he said - just put a damn IMO on the end and move on.

The problem is this: several members have an issue with klier's posting style and yet the same members don't put him on ignore? Hmph, seems that they too derive some form of strange pleasure in their interaction with him. If they didn't, they'd put him on ignore. It's all part of the game isn't it you guys?

It's about certain members on this forum being unreasonable and having unrealistic expectations as to how far we're expected to manage human personality. Unreasonable and Unrealistic.

What ever happened to manning up on this forum? To recognise that you have a bitter rivalry with someone but still act with robust dignity and a healthy spirit? This community is well over 10 years old we've seen all manner of spats and animosity amongst some of our most active posters that would make the paint peel off the walls. klier is one of those founding members, as is chonkoa. What the hell happened here that we can't take a negative comment and move on? Interestingly, not only is klier a founding member but he is also paying member too. I'll leave that fact with you - make of it what you will, people. More interestingly still, klier has never been banned from this community such is his remarkable ability to conduct himself within the rules of this forum whilst still giving us mods serious headaches. That can't be said of his two most vociferous detractors...

I feel that there are a few members here far more intent on sabotaging the efforts of this site in order to achieve their own painfully self-centred objectives than to truly contribute and add value to the discussion.

That's my comment on this matter. Don't reply, if you take particular offense I suggest you report the post or, even contact the admin privately, to voice your aggrievement - the power to do so is yours. Should you be successful in your cause then I will gladly step down from my role on this forum.

But enough is enough already.

 

[klier]

It's about certain members on this forum being unreasonable and having unrealistic expectations as to how far we're expected to manage human personality. Unreasonable and Unrealistic.

Post of the day, week, month and year. People have to remember this VERY CAREFULLY!

 

[Betty Swollocks]

We are not here to corroborate or dispel members' claims of what they did, do or will own.

I completely agree. What you are here to do is to stop someone continually derailing a thread with out of context posts aimed at individuals.

This is beyond our control and when members' credibility is lacking in the eyes of some then it's inevitable that they will be taken to task as some point randomly within an equally random discussion.

Everytime Klier posts I want to question his credibility, but if I did it would be chaos. You can't allow people to keep derailing threads.

Oh yes, some here will launch into a vociferous tirade and claim "ad-hominem" on the latter. Unfortunately everything needs to be assessed within numerous contexts - if we simply start deleting ALL differences of opinion what would happen to the discussion and debate on this forum?

Nobody is saying someone shouldn't have a difference of opinion, but to just post a general "you don't like BMW and you never stop criticising them" is not a valuable addition to a discussion. It's a comment about someone's agenda. Nothing more.

We are not condoning that klier derailed the thread. We are similarly not condoning the equally derailing actions of certain members who have their own agendas on this forum.

The typical response. Apportion blame equally for an easy life.

The problem is this: several members have an issue with klier's posting style and yet the same members don't put him on ignore?

The same could be said of the people who don't like Deckhook. Sunny and Klier, to name two, could put Deckhook on "ignore" but don't. And worse still, their attacks (in the case of Sunny, absolutely disgusting attacks), are tolerated by the mods.

Tell me this, had I asked Klier, "were you abused by your Audi driving uncle", would you have been equally tolerant? It was absolutely disgusting what Sunny said and the fact that he posted it just shows how comfortable he is making that kind of post on this forum.


Hmph, seems that they too derive some form of strange pleasure in their interaction with him. If they didn't, they'd put him on ignore. It's all part of the game isn't it you guys?

What ever happened to manning up on this forum?

It's not about "manning up". It's about feeling that rules are not apportioned equally. I'm more than happy to give Klier as good as he gets. He can tell me to my face if he likes, but he won't, because he's a coward. He only acts like he does because he's behind a keyboard. I doubt very much he would be so abrasive and arrogant to my face. I only live a few hours drive from him, so he's more than welcome to visit me and talk to me personally. I'll meet him halfway if he likes.

Interestingly, not only is klier a founding member but he is also paying member too. I'll leave that fact with you - make of it what you will, people.

Ha ha! Just as I thought. A paying member. So what? He had protection long before we had payment options on here. I'd more than happy contribute myself, but only when there is a clear mod system in place that isn't biased.

I feel that there are a few members here far more intent on sabotaging the efforts of this site in order to achieve their own painfully self-centred objectives than to truly contribute and add value to the discussion.

Should you be successful in your cause then I will gladly step down from my role on this forum.

It's alright making very eloquent and well constructed posts Martin, but it doesn't mean you're correct.

I do think the mod system needs looking at and refreshing. I'm not alone in thinking there is bias on here.

 

[Deckhook]

Martin your comments has opened the floodgates to others behaving in the manner of Klier, Sunny and a few others. I could quite easily disbelieve you do what you claim or Betty drives an R8 or Klier is an adult but I chose to give others the benefit of the doubt.

 

[Betty Swollocks]

This issue bothers me because it's the best forum on the internet for discussing my biggest passion, and it's being ruined.

 

[Deckhook]

^Agree completely Betty its the best forum which is why I returned but it takes just one or two posts to turn a good discussion into the kind of thread we have ended up with here.

It's not that everything needs policing but the inconsistency by which it's policed that many have a problem with.

 

[Betty Swollocks]

It's not that everything needs policing but the inconsistency by which it's policed that many have a problem with.

I've been saying this for a long, long time, but to no avail.

Be strict. Be lenient. But make it equal. Personally I'd prefer to be lenient, then I'd wipe the floor verbally with anybody who dare cross my path.

 

[Deckhook]

^Its just not in my nature to verbally abuse someone, I'm of the opinion if you resort to this well then your argument wasn't that good anyway.

 

[mini_cooper4]

OMG you crazy ******* what have you done again
Every single thread

PS: I feel like a part of a big crazy italian family

The 6GC is on another level.
The CLS is looking good only when it's AMG in blue.
The A7 is great for what it costs.

The end

 

[martinbo]

Everytime Klier posts I want to question his credibility

Why? What does he claim in order for his credibility to be called into question?

Nobody is saying someone shouldn't have a difference of opinion, but to just post a general "you don't like BMW and you never stop criticising them" is not a valuable addition to a discussion. It's a comment about someone's agenda. Nothing more.

What? And who are you to decide what is and what isn't a valuable addition? Where do you expect us to draw the line. The internet is flood with billions of meaningless posts. Get over it.

The typical response. Apportion blame equally for an easy life.

Seriously? How condescending of you.

The same could be said of the people who don't like Deckhook. Sunny and Klier, to name two, could put Deckhook on "ignore" but don't. And worse still, their attacks (in the case of Sunny, absolutely disgusting attacks), are tolerated by the mods.

Tell me this, had I asked Klier, "were you abused by your Audi driving uncle", would you have been equally tolerant? It was absolutely disgusting what Sunny said and the fact that he posted it just shows how comfortable he is making that kind of post on this forum.

Sunny was given warnings and infractions by me personally. He conceded that his actions were unacceptable and has been behaving himself. You are not privy to the administration of this forum.

It's not about "manning up". It's about feeling that rules are not apportioned equally. I'm more than happy to give Klier as good as he gets. He can tell me to my face if he likes, but he won't, because he's a coward. He only acts like he does because he's behind a keyboard. I doubt very much he would be so abrasive and arrogant to my face. I only live a few hours drive from him, so he's more than welcome to visit me and talk to me personally. I'll meet him halfway if he likes.

There you go - go and meet up, settle your differences mano a mano over a cappuccino. Take pics. We always like seeing the real people behind the online persona. It adds a human element and creates stronger affinities.

Ha ha! Just as I thought. A paying member. So what? He had protection long before we had payment options on here. I'd more than happy contribute myself, but only when there is a clear mod system in place that isn't biased.

In your mind it's biased because it's how you wish to internally bias it. I'm am biased against some members and biased towards others on this forum. It's human nature. I can't be completely neutral because then I wouldn't be a human being.

It's alright making very eloquent and well constructed posts Martin, but it doesn't mean you're correct.

I do think the mod system needs looking at and refreshing. I'm not alone in thinking there is bias on here.

Fine. Have me fired.

 

[martinbo]

Martin your comments has opened the floodgates to others behaving in the manner of Klier, Sunny and a few others. I could quite easily disbelieve you do what you claim or Betty drives an R8 or Klier is an adult but I chose to give others the benefit of the doubt.

Y'know Bob, I get together with members of this community in real life. We meet up, we drink, we eat, we talk, we laugh. We post pictures of us and our cars and our families. We basically cross-corroborate each other so you have no reason to disbelieve me. People here can vouch for me - it's no biggie.

This issue bothers me because it's the best forum on the internet for discussing my biggest passion, and it's being ruined.

Don't worry, I feel exactly the same way. I feel that you've totally ruined this forum. You're condescending, aloof, holier-than-thou, critical, mean, unfriendly, destructive and uncooperative. That's my perception of you. And look at how much more tolerant I am of you than you are of me, of this site and what we're trying to preserve.

 

[Betty Swollocks]

What? And who are you to decide what is and what isn't a valuable addition? Where do you expect us to draw the line.

It's really not hard Martin.

Sunny was given warnings and infractions by me personally. He conceded that his actions were unacceptable and has been behaving himself. You are not privy to the administration of this forum.

That's where the system is wrong, IMHO. Justice needs to be seen to be carried out publicly otherwise it's open to all sorts of abuses.

In your mind it's biased because it's how you wish to internally bias it.

I'm not imagining it and my thoughts are only reinforced when you then write the following......

I'm am biased against some members and biased towards others on this forum. It's human nature. I can't be completely neutral because then I wouldn't be a human being.

That speaks volumes. You openly admit you're biased.

How do you expect people to stick to the rules when you yourself can't even apply them correctly?

Fine. Have me fired.

Then stop being biased. It's quite simple.

 

[Betty Swollocks]

Don't worry, I feel exactly the same way. I feel that you've totally ruined this forum. You're condescending, aloof, holier-than-thou, critical, mean, unfriendly, destructive and uncooperative. That's my perception of you. And look at how much more tolerant I am of you than you are of me, of this site and what we're trying to preserve.

Amazing. Klier derails the thread and it's me who is being accused of "ruining" the forum, being "condescending", "aloof", "unfriendly", "destructive" and "uncooperative"?

You clearly have bias and act on posts based on username rather than what is actually in the post.

As being a mod is voluntary, do it properly or step down. It's quite simple.