Gone off track Off Topic posts - Autocar: Audi A7 vs BMW 6er vs MB CLS

[martinbo]

That's where the system is wrong, IMHO. Justice needs to be seen to be carried out publicly otherwise it's open to all sorts of abuses.

Justice?!? Jeez, just listen to yourself. You sound unhinged man. Justice - on an internet forum. Sue me.

That speaks volumes. You openly admit you're biased.

How hard is it to comprehend? Everyone has an unfathomable amount of internal bias. Everyone. If I was completely neutral then I have no position on rapists and murderers.

How do you expect people to stick to the rules when you yourself can't even apply them correctly?

I'm an idiot. Sue me.

Then stop being biased. It's quite simple.

It's not quite simple. I hate twats.

 

[Deckhook]

Y'know Bob, I get together with members of this community in real life. We meet up, we drink, we eat, we talk, we laugh. We post pictures of us and our cars and our families. We basically cross-corroborate each other so you have no reason to disbelieve me. People here can vouch for me - it's no biggie.

You totally missed my point here Martin, I chose to believe you not that I need proof. I posted pictures of my cars on my drive outside my house or my business, the fact that Giannis made his comment after I had provide this speaks volumes. A little common decency and trust is all one expects here.

 

[Betty Swollocks]

Justice?!? Jeez, just listen to yourself. You sound unhinged man. Justice - on an internet forum. Sue me.

If an internet forum is run properly then why shouldn't justice be seen to be carried out? Sure, you could take the attitude that "it's just an internet forum", but then this place would not be any better than any of the other car forums on the internet which descend into chaos and which any intelligent person wouldn't go near.

How hard is it to comprehend? Everyone has an unfathomable amount of internal bias. Everyone. If I was completely neutral then I have no position on rapists and murderers.

Not sure I follow you're thinking. Being a rapist or a murderer is clearly wrong, so what's that got to do with bias?

If you admit you can't apply the rules of the forum in a fair manner then why on Earth are you a mod?

I'm an idiot. Sue me.

It's not quite simple. I hate twats.

Nice. I actually have a good opinion of you Martin. I value what you have to say about cars more than anybody else on here. I don't think that viewpoint is surprising at all. You clearly know your stuff; far more than I could ever hope to know. It's what I want from an internet forum. It's why I get annoyed when threads are disrupted by immature members like Klier, and even more annoyed when respected members like yourself then support them.

I'd love to see you on here without the shackles of being a moderator. Love it.

 

[martinbo]

Amazing. Klier derails the thread and it's me who is being accused of "ruining" the forum, being "condescending", "aloof", "unfriendly", "destructive" and "uncooperative"?

You didn't understand something key: I said "that's my perception of you". I didn't accuse you of anything. But aren't you're supposed to be so particular about what's in a post?

You clearly have bias and act on posts based on username rather than what is actually in the post.

That's your perception. Biased toward your own ends without you being privy to my behind-the-scenes activity.

As being a mod is voluntary, do it properly or step down. It's quite simple.

Heh, heh you don't get what you want that easily my man. Do something about it. Start a poll, open up a hellopeter.com rant against GCF.

Did you read rule # 22?

 

[Betty Swollocks]

Did you read rule # 22?

Yes I did.

Respect the role and contribution of the admin and moderators of this forum. The moderators have been selected by virtue of their conduct, experience, knowledge and commitment to this forum. Forum moderation is undertaken as a collective and not by individual moderators and as such is sanctioned by the owners of German Car Forum. Do not question, attempt to discredit or harrass individual members of the moderation team.


But like I’ve already said, if you yourself can’t even apply the rules correctly and fairly, how can you expect other people to do so?

I draw your attention to these rules……

Messages with the sole intention to inflame and cause discord, otherwise known as trolling, may be subject to moderation and/or removal.

While debating and discussing is fine, we will not tolerate rudeness, insulting posts, personal attacks, name callings, deceitfulness or purposeless inflammatory posts.

Klier made two posts in this thread that were nothing but intended to "inflame" and "cause discord".

And looks like Footie changed his sig into another imaginary scale model. Oh, boy!

You wish? LOL, give me a break please. You are here ONLY to complain about BMW. Nothing more, nothing less. I have no doubt you haven't even seen a 6er GC in person, let alone sat in one.

All I am asking is for you to apply these very rules that you seem to keen to employ all of a sudden.

 

[Betty Swollocks]

I'd like to go on record by saying thank you for not just deleting the posts in this discussion.

 

[martinbo]

Right, seeing that we're on this path irrevocably, let's thrash this sh!it out once and for all.

I totally missed my point here Martin, I chose to believe you not that I need proof. I posted pictures of my cars on my drive outside my house or my business, the fact that Giannis made his comment after I had provide this speaks volumes. A little common decency and trust is all one expects here.

Bob, I don't care whether you do or don't own the cars that you've claimed to own. Honestly.

You people want to talk about neutrality? How neutral is this: I have to see both sides of the story. On the one side, I have to be of the mindset that no one here is in any way required to provide irrefutable proof of who they are / what they own. On the extreme opposite end I have to accept that, given some rather lofty claims, other members will question such claims within the context of discussion. Have I ever, ever asked you to properly prove your claims? No, coz it's none of my darned business. The community will decide based on the credibility and quality of your contributions here whether to believe or not believe. How fu#&ing in the middle is that?

You could be everything you claim you are - you could be just some wealthy dealer's teenage kid who spends a lot of time on the internet. It's not for me to decide. It's up to the online community to determine this. Is it up to me to grant you impunity from being interrogated, harranged for what you claim to own, know, do in your posts? Of course not. You put your online persona out into the public domain and it's ultimately at your door how YOU manage the outcome. I'm bloody well not going to do it for you.

If an internet forum is run properly then why shouldn't justice be seen to be carried out? Sure, you could take the attitude that "it's just an internet forum", but then this place would not be any better than any of the other car forums on the internet which descend into chaos and which any intelligent person wouldn't go near.

Would it be too much for you to admit that the reason you like this forum so much is because of the way it IS being run. Have some respect and reasonability. How long have I been on the staff here? How many complaints do you honestly think I get? [I'll tell you: one in present times] We are the perpetuators of the culture on this forum. We are its custodians and spirit. New members: welcome. Constructive criticism: bring it on. Can we please everyone? No. Can we completely manage everyone's different personalities? No. Members need to bring tolerance and maturity to this place but do they always? No. And guess what Betty - you'll say that klier is immature and he'll say that you are intolerant.

For the love of all that's good - what do you expect us to do?

Not sure I follow you're thinking. Being a rapist or a murderer is clearly wrong, so what's that got to do with bias?

I have an internal bias that says that rapists and murderers are evil. Simple as that. Call it what you will but it's definitely bias, prejudice, whatever you call it.

If you admit you can't apply the rules of the forum in a fair manner then why on Earth are you a mod?

You tell me - you're a smart guy.

Nice. I actually have a good opinion of you Martin. I value what you have to say about cars more than anybody else on here. I don't think that viewpoint is surprising at all. You clearly know your stuff; far more than I could ever hope to know. It's what I want from an internet forum. It's why I get annoyed when threads are disrupted by immature members like Klier, and even more annoyed when respected members like yourself then support them.

I'd love to see you on here without the shackles of being a moderator. Love it.

I don't think you're an idiot either. Far from it. But I feel that you have a dark and unrelenting desire to undermine the efforts of this team just because of your view on a few bad apples. This is the world - there will always be bad apples.

 

[Mark]

I've moved all the posts that caused a derailment on the topic there. I will ask, just like the Moderators asked repeatedly the following:

1. Please follow the site rules.
2. Use the member ignore feature.

We are not here to fix personal issues between members. From your posts you all clearly have issues against each other. You are all adults, fix it amongst yourselves. Do not disrupt the forums over this.

And looks like Footie changed his sig into another imaginary scale model. Oh, boy!

Do you really think a comment like this is enough to derail a thread and create a cascading 3 pages of off topic complaints?

Deckhook (footie), be the bigger man here. If your signature states a fact, your obvious normal response should be laugh about it because you know it not to be true and thus you have nothing to prove.

Betty Swollocks and Tumbo, please stop throwing gasoline to the fire.. you are clearly raising this for no other purpose than to have the Moderators take action where clearly (in this thread) none is needed.

Any other discussions on this matter should be discussed using the private conversations.

 

[Deckhook]

Do you really think a comment like this is enough to derail a thread and create a cascading 3 pages of off topic complaints?

Deckhook (footie), be the bigger man here. If your signature states a fact, your obvious normal response should be laugh about it because you know it not to be true and thus you have nothing to prove.

I have not a problem being the bigger man, in fact the abuse I have received from Klier and more importantly Sunny has been a total and utter disgrace but have you once needed to come on here and act against my conduct? NO which proves the kind of person I am.

With the exception of 2 possibly 3 members here the rest have no problem believing the cars I have owned but these ones continue to that digs as if I have something to hide, in fact this has continued for months yet only now at Betty's request did I final post the photos of my cars sitting on my driveway outside my house.

And for the record I didn't derail the thread, that was done by others, I was only replying to points which were mainly addressed to me.

P.S.
If someone is annoyed that I am able to change my cars so often then that's their problem but no one should have to deal with this abuse on a regular basis because I can assure you I wouldn't wished my life's situation on anyone.

 

[Betty Swollocks]

Do you really think a comment like this is enough to derail a thread and create a cascading 3 pages of off topic complaints?

That comment alone? Possibly. Exactly what does it add to the thread other than to take a snipe at another member for no reason whatsoever? But there were TWO comments made by Klier, neither of which made any contribution to the thread other than to troll and be inflammatory.

Klier CONSTANTLY inflames threads and he will openly admit it. He even chose a username which reflects this because "Klier" in English means annoying asshole or insufferable man.

I quote your own rules:

While debating and discussing is fine, we will not tolerate rudeness, insulting posts, personal attacks, name callings, deceitfulness or purposeless inflammatory posts.


And while we're at it, what do you think is appropriate punishment for someone who questions whether another member of the forum has been sexually abused by a relative? A slap on the wrist? Because as far as I can tell, that's all that Sunny got. I doubt very much the punishment would have been the same the other way round.

What Sunny said was frankly disgusting.

Would it be too much for you to admit that the reason you like this forum so much is because of the way it IS being run. Have some respect and reasonability.

I appreciate very much the high quality posts you make and the time you obviously take to construct them.

I don't think you're an idiot either. Far from it. But I feel that you have a dark and unrelenting desire to undermine the efforts of this team just because of your view on a few bad apples. This is the world - there will always be bad apples.

Hey, I'm sure you don't need this grief so I'll back down now.

You do bring a lot to the forum (far more than I do, certainly), so as much I don't agree with what I perceive as your biased point of view towards certain members, your heart is probably in the right place, and you don't deserve any more hassle from me on this matter.

 

[chonkoa]

What I suggest is that we can't play the police for every single unimportant characterisation here. For instance, klier could complain because you are calling him juvenile. Do you expect us to start giving out infraction for every second word posted here? It is unrealistic. So, I suggest that we grow some thick skin.

As far as the rules are concerned, you could report the post in question, instead of posting an off-topic post in this thread.

Calling him a juvenile is as actually a compliment to someone that is constantly trying to undermine his relevance.

 

[Sunny]

And while we're at it, what do you think is appropriate punishment for someone who questions whether another member of the forum has been sexually abused by a relative? A slap on the wrist? Because as far as I can tell, that's all that Sunny got. I doubt very much the punishment would have been the same the other way round.

What Sunny said was frankly disgusting.

FYI - no I did not even get that. And I suppose Deckhook's post that me and Guibo are screwed up doesn't fit into your bucket of "purposeless inflammatory posts", but neither does his I guess, many troll posts. And I guess your this post doesn't qualify either -

... of hyper-active, immature and arrogant t*****s, who wouldn't dare to speak to people face to face in the same manner...

Yea, I know I can be a rude p****, but what is amazing about you is, you are so full of yourself, you seriously think you are god's gift to internet.

Seriously, get off your high horse. If you seriously have a problem withe the way this forum is being run and going to bitch about it every 3rd day, you should leave - oh wait, you already did that once!

 

[rollo]

I realize it's been a little "slow" on the forum lately for exciting topics, but can we move on now?

 

[Betty Swollocks]

FYI - no I did not even get that. And I suppose Deckhook's post that me and Guibo are screwed up doesn't fit into your bucket of "purposeless inflammatory posts", but neither does his I guess, many troll posts. And I guess your this post doesn't qualify either -

Yea, I know I can be a rude p****, but what is amazing about you is, you are so full of yourself, you seriously think you are god's gift to internet.

Seriously, get off your high horse. If you seriously have a problem withe the way this forum is being run and going to bitch about it every 3rd day, you should leave - oh wait, you already did that once!

The fact that you would question whether another human being had ever been sexually abused as a child by their uncle tells me everything about the sick person that you are.

I realize it's been a little "slow" on the forum lately for exciting topics, but can we move on now?

With all due respect rurella, this is in the "off-topic" forum. Exactly what are we supposed to move onto? These posts have been extracted from the main thread and are not clogging anything up.

 

[rollo]

With all due respect rurella, this is in the "off-topic" forum. Exactly what are we supposed to move onto? These posts have been extracted from the main thread and are not clogging anything up.

I understand that Betty Swollocks. I was merely suggesting that "we" should move on to something more productive rather than continuing an exchange that has become a pretty personal exchange between some long-term, respected members.

If you want to continue, so be it. I do however much prefer reading your thoughts, views and observations about automobiles.

 

[Betty Swollocks]

If you want to continue, so be it. I do however much prefer reading your thoughts, views and observations about automobiles.

Thanks very much.

That Boxster in your avatar looks bloody fantastic.

 

[rollo]

It's right off the Porsche website. The wife has a 2011 Guards Red Boxster and it really is a blast to drive. Truly an exceptional car. The steering feel is off-the-charts nice. I have suggested that "we" should upgrade to the new model and pick a more conservative color so this old bastard doesn't get too many looks driving it around town. She is vehement that it needs to be a roadster so the Cayman is out.....at least for now.

 

[klier]

Yea, I know I can be a rude p****, but what is amazing about you is, you are so full of yourself, you seriously think you are god's gift to internet.

Hahaha, so f'ing true.

I realize it's been a little "slow" on the forum lately for exciting topics, but can we move on now?

It's a little slow because the regular members don't post anymore. And guess why...

With all due respect rurella, this is in the "off-topic" forum. Exactly what are we supposed to move onto? These posts have been extracted from the main thread and are not clogging anything up.

He means that instead of your non stop crying about other members, you should just ignore some (like me), and put your efforts in some positive, constructive posts that are on topic and about the cars.
Like Rurella, I enjoy reading your posts about the cars and on topic stuff, but for the rest I find you a horrible member when you go and try to teach others how to behave. Which is pretty much all you do.

So instead of typing your essays here about nothing, Rurella was suggesting to move onto some real, on-topic, constructive talk. I know it's hard to do, but you could try.

Seriously, get off your high horse. If you seriously have a problem withe the way this forum is being run and going to bitch about it every 3rd day, you should leave - oh wait, you already did that once!

LOL, that happens all the time, huh?
The only one who left and didn't come back is The Artist, which I still find a damn shame. A colorful member who helped bring this forum alive, unlike some new members here who are trying to kill the forum with their trolls/negativity

 

[far2000]

SO, A7, cLS OR 6?

 

[martinbo]

Ok, let's not go there... deemed appropriate to close this thread.