New Mercedes-Benz 4.7 Twin-Turbo V8 and New 3.5 V6


Hehe, I think that some of us are stuck in a perpetual state of worry over Mercedes-Benz, which is funny because I don't think they've been in this great of shape in a long time. Perhaps some of us don't want to see MB fall again and that is why there is always so much panic around what the engine specs are going to be or all of the silly speculation over future models. Truth is, this is all so well thought out by the teams of engineers, designers, and accountants at MB that all of this bickering and worry is pretty pointless. This horsepower issue with the new V6 is so trivial fan-boy nonsense.

I try to imagine, if I were in the position to afford a new E350 or a BMW 535i, would the knowledge that the 350 had less power be so overwhelming that I'd give it more than a fleeting thought? Probably not. Figures are figures but at the end of the day you'd be hard pressed to find an average buyer that cared if the Bimmer was quicker. We're all restricted by stop lights, speed limits and CHPs everywhere ya turn anyway.

Get. Over. It. :cool:
 
The engine was never well-loved because of the coarse noise it made and it was not as rev-happy as similar BMW engines.

The lack of rev-happiness doesn't bother me. It's not typical of Mercedes' engines to be rev-happy like their sportier counterparts.

We have a 3-valve engine in our E320 and I've honestly never felt it to be coarse, especially at higher speeds. What you hear the most at higher speeds are the wind noises. The engine can be heard at this speed, true, but it isn't an unrefined sound to my ears.

Also, how often do people max out their 3-valve MB engines anyway? :)
 
Hey Merc engine affionados - didn't the move from 24V DOHC valvetrain coincide with the change from inline six cylinder engines to the V6 layout? This ushered in the M112 range of engines replacing the inline six M104 as far as I remember. Also, the M112 range introduced dual spark plugs to achieve more even ignition across the cylinder.

Correct.

The 3-valve engines were part of the new V-layout at Mercedes - with twin spark plugs. Those twin spark plugs supposedly improve combustion, engine efficiency and smoothness to.

It's kind of cool appearing at a dealership with an E320 and ordering 12 new spark plugs for the 100,000 km check-up. :D

"Dude, you got a V12 in your E320!?" :D
 
Keiichi @ Benzinsider cautions the new engines may not be offered everywhere, depending on the sulfur level in the gasoline?

Aussies also have less to expect since the V8 might not reach Down Under. Part of the reason is Australia’s fuel.

Mercedes-Benz’s new V6 and V8 engines are made to be Euro 5 compliant, which means at the end of their first 100,000 km, they have to be clean as a whistle. With Australia’s fuel containing up to 50 ppm of sulphur (10ppm limit for Euro 5), that brings compliance down to around Euro 4.5.

Aussies have less to expect from new M-Class | BenzInsider.com - A Mercedes-Benz Fan Blog

PS. Australia is 49th on the TOP 100: http://www.ifqc.org/NM_Top5.aspx
 
I think this is why Mercedes has resisted DI all this time in the U.S.

Question is how do other car makers offer DI here? Lower sulfur threshold requirements for their engines?

We won't see the new V6 until summer/fall 2011 it seems.


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OFFICIAL PRESS RELEASE


- State-of-the-art production of V6 and V8 petrol engines
- €1 billion invested in development and production
- Innovative technology and exemplary approach to environmental protection


Stuttgart, Germany, May 12, 2010 – The Mercedes-Benz Bad Cannstatt plant produces strong personalities: 125 years ago, just a stone’s throw from the plant, in the famous greenhouse, Gottlieb Daimler and Wilhelm Maybach built their “grandfather clock” – the first single-cylinder engine. Today, the Bad Cannstatt plant is home to all Mercedes-Benz V6 and V8 petrol engines. With a workforce of around 900 employees, today the specialist V-engine production facility is a key part of the Mercedes-Benz Cars powertrain production network. In addition to traditional engine assembly, Bad Cannstatt is also responsible for the mechanical processing of key components such as crankcases and cylinder heads.


Volker Stauch, Head of Powertrain Production and plant manager of the tradition-rich Untertürkheim location: “This is where the roots of engine design and the Mercedes-Benz brand lie. We have been building high-tech components for our Mercedes-Benz passenger cars passionately at this location from the very start. This tradition compels us to keep on delivering top quality from Untertürkheim in future.”

Traditionally state-of-the-art production

The engine plant in Bad Cannstatt was officially opened in April 1997. At the time, this “factory of the future” had a production area of around 66,300 square metres. Numerous expansions and high levels of investment in recent years illustrate the success story of Bad Cannstatt and the deep-seated links with the location and the region: in 2004, the production area was expanded by just under 18,000 square meters to 84,200 square metres. The two millionth engine was built at Bad Cannstatt in 2003, followed by the three millionth engine in 2006. Since its official opening, over four million examples of the V-engine duo have come off the assembly lines at the Bad Cannstatt plant.

One billion euros for a new series

This success story is set to continue with the new generation of engines. The all-new V6 and V8 engines score top marks for efficiency in the premium segment. The new V8 engine delivers 320 kW (435 hp), around 12% more than its predecessor, whilst fuel consumption is down by up to 22%. The new V6 engine delivers 225 kW (306 hp) and uses just 7.6 litres per 100 km, making it 24% more economical than its predecessor.

From the third quarter of this year, the state-of-the-art V6 and V8 engines will make their debut in the new-generation CL-Class, and later in the S-Class. In total, over €1 billion has been invested in production of the new V-engines: around €600 million in development and around €400 million in production of the new V-engine series.

One new feature in production is the assembly line: despite different angles (60 and 90 degrees, and therefore an optimum design for performance), both V-engines can be produced on one line. The result is more efficient and more flexible production using as many common components as possible for the variants of the new engine series. With a high output of unit numbers, this means reduced costs, which ultimately benefits the customer. The components undergo rigorous technological enhancement in terms of weight optimisation. A good example of this is the revamped camshaft adjuster, which is now much lighter and more compact than its predecessors. The crankcases, pistons and cylinder heads are made of weight-optimised diecast aluminium. The crankshaft, connecting rod and valves are made of special forged steel and are lighter.

Production of the series is carried out in the proven powertrain production network, consisting of the Untertürkheim, Hamburg and Berlin plants. The camshafts, camshaft adjusters, water pumps, oil pumps and fuel components originate from Berlin. The exhaust manifolds, air manifolds and clean air lines are produced in Hamburg. The camshaft and connecting rod stem from Untertürkheim, whilst the foundry in Esslingen-Mettingen produces the cylinder head, oil pan, valve housing, crankcase and starter ring gear.

Innovative technology and exemplary approach to environmental protection

At the time of its official opening, the Bad Cannstatt plant was already viewed as proof that efficient production, ecological common sense and attractive jobs were not necessarily mutually exclusive. Here, minimum energy requirements go hand in hand with the optimum use of all resources. This involves, for example, minimising waste materials and recycling process fluids and chips from mechanical processing. With its closed-loop process recycling systems, Bad Cannstatt is almost completely free of wastewater and waste materials, and the plant falls well within legal limits for clean gas values.

The Bad Cannstatt plant has set new standards with systems that combine the utilisation of waste heat and heat recovery with an advanced photovoltaic system. The solar panelling – which covers an area of 5,000 square metres and at the time was one of the largest systems found anywhere in the world – generates an annual energy output of 350,000 kWh. This is sufficient to meet the electricity needs of more than 120 homes. The electricity generated is fed directly into the plant grid.

For production of the new engine series, the plant adopted the award-winning principle of minimum-quantity lubrication. Previously, large amounts of cooling lubricants were used in “chip removal”, e.g. in drilling, milling and grinding, in computer-controlled CNC systems. These lubricants lubricate and cool tools and workpieces, thus reducing wear and helping to remove the chips. By converting conventional wet processing to minimum-quantity lubrication, the lubricants can in future be metered precisely where the heat is actually generated during processing. This process uses a fraction of the volume of cooling lubricant previously used. Since these substances are manufactured from petroleum and demand both energy- and cost-intensive preparation, the innovation of minimum-quantity lubrication represents an enormous cost advantage and a significant contribution to environmental protection.

In addition, a true eco-paradise has been created on the outskirts of the plant. The “Neckar gravel bed” concept was developed in collaboration with environmental and nature conservation associations. After replicating a Neckar meadow over an area of 4,000 square metres – complete with its own characteristic heat islands and warm microclimate – it has been shown that 40 species of wild bee have now found a new habitat.


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http://mercedes-benz-blog.blogspot.com/2010/05/new-engine-duo-from-bad-cannstatt-plant.html


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In India the gas seems to be clean enough now, as Mercedes-Benz is launching spray guided direct injection today:




Mercedes-Benz CGI Technology debuts with C-class in India

Mercedes Benz unveiled its latest CGI variant of its C - class petrol-powered sedan priced at Rs 28.44 lakh (ex-showroom price, Mumbai). The new technology, which uses a direct injection engine with spray guided combustion process allows the engine to run on high excess air and, thus, offer better fuel efficiency.The new 1,796 cc car — C 200CGI — will replace the old C - Class, which runs on Kompressor technology, as revealed by the company.

“The CGI technology heralds a new era in gasoline engines with improved output, optimized consumption and even more impressive emission statistics” commented Prof. Dr.Ing. Bharat Balasubramanian, vice-president, Product Innovations & Process Technologies, Group Research & Advanced Engineering, Daimler AG, speaking to media persons at the launch event.

The CGI technology makes its debut in the C-Class. Dr. Wilfried Aulbur, managing director and CEO of Mercedes-Benz India explained the rationale: “The C-Class is in most cases the first touch point of customers with our brand. Mercedes-Benz stands for exciting products and cutting edge technologies; what better way to reinforce this promise than by offering the C 200 CGI as the harbinger of the CGI revolution in gasoline engines!”

The CGI technology is the first of its kind in the world to use sophisticated petrol direct-injection engine with spray guided combustion process. CGI engines use piezo-injectors (also seen on the global F700 DiesOtto concept presented by Daimler AG). With the new technology, the engine can run with high excess air and thus offer excellent fuel efficiency. Thanks to multiple injections, it is for the first time possible to extend this lean-burn operating mode to higher rpm and load ranges too.

Among the most important components of this innovative direct petrol injection system are the fast-acting piezoelectric injectors. They have nozzles which open outwards to create an annular gap just a few microns wide. This gap shapes the fuel jet and produces a uniform, hollow-cone-shaped spray pattern. The microsecond response times of the piezoelectric injectors provide the basis for delivering multiple injections per power stroke, and thus for lean-burn operation. By allowing flexible and efficient control of the combustion process they play a key part in ensuring the engine's outstanding fuel efficiency. The engine’s innovative injection procedure makes for much better fuel and thermodynamic efficiency than the wall-guided combustion process previously employed with direct injection.

Read more: Mercedes Benz CGI technology debuts with C class in India - WheelsUnplugged Automobile Industry News
 
an update on the Mercedes-Benz plan:

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Carbon fiber and CGI to be used on all Mercedes-Benz vehicles by 2015

Every automaker is concerned about the future, and for Daimler AG and Mercedes-Benz, the future is filled with exciting new developments in engine technology and innovations in lightweight materials. None other than Daimler AG Product Innovation and Process Technologies, Group Research and Advanced Engineering Vice President Bharat Balasubramanian predicts that by 2015, Mercedes-Benz vehicles will offer even better performance thanks to lightweight materials, while producing less carbon dioxide emissions.

How will they pull this off? Through aluminum and carbon fiber, of course. With less weight to push around, engines will work more efficiently and thus burn less fuel to produce power. Balasubramanian also shares that they’re considering offering their Charge Gasoline Injection (CGI) technology on all their new V6 and V8 engines by 2015. Port injection will be scrapped soon to be replaced by direct fuel injection systems that are of two fuel types – homogenous and stratified charge.

Balasubramanian says the type of fuel system they’ll be introducing into a particular market will depend on the quality of what fuel is available. Advancements in CGI technology will allow Mercedes-Benz engines to run with even greater air content, thus boosting fuel economy by up to 7%. Adds Balasubramanian homogenous charge fuel injection will likely be offered in India, China and the US, where fuel has high sulfur content, while stratified charge injection will be limited to Europe, Scandinavia and some Asian countries.

BenzInsider.com - A Mercedes-Benz Fan Blog

http://www.financialexpress.com/news/carbon-fibre-on-mercs-in-3-yrs/618975/0
 
Car and Driver

Handn't see their take on the new engines before:

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When it comes to gas-fueled engines, Mercedes-Benz has some catching up to do. While Audi’s FSI motors impress with their supreme efficiency and BMW’s smooth and powerful inline-sixes indeed fill us with “joy,” Germany’s most traditional premium brand offers an engine portfolio that is not clearly superior in any particular field.

Now Daimler is launching its next generation of V-6 and V-8 engines, which are both more powerful and more efficient than the engines they replace. A new, twin-turbocharged and direct-injected 4.7-liter (4663-cc) V-8 replaces the current, naturally aspirated 5.5-liter V-8. At 429 hp, power rises by 12 percent. Torque grows to 516 lb-ft, up from 391 lb-ft. Mercedes says the turbocharged 4.7-liter engine delivers the power of a 7.0-liter V-8. The engine is force-fed by one turbocharger per cylinder bank; the intercooler is placed in the engine’s valley. An engine stop-start system is included, and in the CL-class coupe, fuel economy is rated at 25 mpg in the European cycle. The new V-8 will be launched in the CL first and then in the S-class.

The new 3.5-liter V-6 will be launched first in a naturally aspirated variation, making 302 hp and 273 lb-ft of torque, increases of 34 hp and 15 lb-ft over the current 3.5-liter. Thus equipped, an S350 is claimed to return a surprising 31 mpg. The new engine will be rolled out over the entire Mercedes-Benz portfolio, starting with the CL, the S-class, and the next-generation CLS. Historically, we haven’t been offered sixes in the larger Benzes, but fuel-economy concerns—and the return of BMW’s inline-six 7-series to our shores—could change that.

These are just two manifestations of M-B’s next engine generation, which is not a from-scratch effort, but rather an extension of the current V-6 and V-8 engine family. Future variations will include turbocharged V-6 engines and variants with different power levels. On that note, AMG’s 536-hp, turbocharged 5.5-liter V-8, which makes its debut in the 2011 S63 AMG, is related to the new engine generation. The high-performance arm also will get a high-revving, naturally aspirated version of the eight.

On the more responsible side of the spectrum, Mercedes is planning to use both the V-6 and the V-8 in hybrid models. It says that the extraordinary fuel economy shows the potential of large-displacement petrol engines, and the potential of internal-combustion engines altogether.

The turbocharged versions, in particular, will give the competition something to chew on. Audi is still largely betting on naturally aspirated big-power engines, which are at this point lacking in torque. BMW, on the other hand, has the power and torque but needs its turbo engines to deliver their promised fuel economy not just on paper, but also in the real world. We’ll soon see whether the new Mercedes engines can live up to their lofty fuel-economy claims while making that all-important power.



Mercedes Details Its New V-6 and V-8 Engines - Car and Driver Blog


The turbo V6 is going to be a monster. A high-rev version of the new 5.5L V8? Handn't heard that one before. That could be the perfect motor for the C/SLK AMG models. I said the same thing, but sticking with a new DI version of the current 6.2., but if they can do with 5.5L then great!


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Some more good news: :usa7uh:


Future for twelve cylinder

By Bernd Otterbach | Automobil-Industrie.de

Mercedes plans to build in the future twelve-cylinder engines for vehicles of the luxury class.

"The twelve-cylinder engine is magical and will therefore be further developed by us," says Hans Multhaupt, development manager for the upper-class and luxury with Mercedes. Even if a modern eight-cylinder engine now offers similar power, the "King Motor" with a dozen cylinders for the luxury class is simply indispensable. Source: Google Translate
 
Great news indeed. If the new V6 and V8s are related then surely doing a new V12 based on the same architecture won't be too hard to do.

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Now , we need more info about the new V6 Biturbo and the new super AMG engine, with 700+ hp and 1200 NM of torque.
 
confirming the discussion in this thread. ;)




Mercedes Says Dirty Fuel Problematic in U.S.

By Tom Murphy - WardsAuto.com, Mar 16, 2011 9:00 AM

Mercedes-Benz has advanced new engines capable of operating in a “lean-burn” mode that improves fuel efficiency and emissions, but they won’t be available in the U.S. because sulfur content in gasoline remains too high, an executive says.

Most sulfur has been scrubbed effectively from U.S. diesel fuel due to Ultra Low Sulfur Diesel federal regulations, which limit sulfur content to 15 parts per million.

But the sulfur limits for gasoline are much higher – 80 ppm at the refinery gate and 95 ppm downstream, according to the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency.

New 4- and 6-cyl. engines from Mercedes operate on lean-burn combustion cycles, but cannot function properly if sulfur levels in fuel are above 50 ppm, “That’s definitely too much,” Bernhard Heil, vice president-powertrain development for Mercedes-Benz, tells Ward’s.

Mercedes sells these “Stratified” engines in Europe that run at a much leaner fuel-to-air ratio than conventional engines, achieving better efficiency.

But until the U.S. cleans up its gasoline, those engines will not be available here because the excessive sulfur would overwhelm and “poison” the trap that captures oxides of nitrogen from the exhaust stream.

The trap is necessary because the Stratified combustion cycle inherently creates higher concentrations of NOx. A conventional 3-way catalyst will not work with a lean-burn engine, so NOx must be adsorbed and stored in a specially designed trap before it is burned off.

Integrating a lean-burn combustion cycle improves fuel efficiency up to 10%, Heil says. Sulfur in gasoline, by itself, does not impact fuel economy, he says.

Last May, the Obama administration instructed the EPA to consider the impact of lower sulfur levels in gasoline, as well as other factors, on greenhouse-gas emissions. That review is ongoing.

Meanwhile, the European Union already has reduced sulfur content in gasoline “to near zero,” Heil says.

It’s not just the U.S. that has too much sulfur in gasoline, and Heil says the problem is “comparably worse” in Africa and developing regions in Asia.

“In the rest of the world, we do have a situation that we are right now forced whenever we develop new engines to have a (lean-burn) concept for gasoline engines for Europe, but we are not able to operate them internationally,” he says.

Ideally, a global standard on sulfur levels in gasoline would correct the issue, but Heil says it does not appear such action is likely in the near future.

One of the new lean-burn engines from Mercedes is the 3.5L direct-injection V-6 in the all-new SLK roadster for Europe.

That same engine will be marketed as BlueDirect when it comes to the U.S. this summer in the ’12 Mercedes C350 sport sedan, but it will not be lean-burn.

The V-6 in the new C350 is rated at 302 hp and 273 lb.-ft. (370 Nm) of torque, up from 268 hp and 258 lb.-ft. (350 Nm) in the previous C350. Fuel economy has been improved 5% to a combined 21 mpg.

That direct-injection engine will be Mercedes’ volume V-6 and also will power U.S. versions of the E-Class, M-Class and SLK. The R-Class cross/utility vehicle will continue to use a port-injection version of the V-6.

The new C-Class also will feature a direct-injection 1.8L turbocharged 4-cyl. rated at 201 hp and 229 lb.-ft. (310 Nm) of torque. A combined fuel-economy rating of 24 mpg (9.8 L/100 km) represents a 15% improvement over the previous-generation C300.

The last 4-cyl. engine Mercedes sold in the U.S. was a supercharged 1.8L in the C-Class in 2005. The third powertrain offering in the C-Class for the U.S. is carryover, a port-injection 3.0L V-6 rated at 228 hp and 221 lb.-ft. (300 Nm) of torque.

Another new direct-injection engine for the U.S. is the 4.6L Bi-turbo V-8 under the hood of the new-for-’11 CL550 coupe, rated at 429 hp and 516 lb.-ft. (700 Nm) of torque.

With an improved fuel economy of 15/23 mpg (15.6-10.2 L/100 km), the CL550 no longer will require a gas guzzler tax. The ’10 model, with a naturally aspirated, port-injection 5.5L V-8, carried a $1,300 penalty.

The 4.6L Bi-turbo also will appear in ’12 versions of the S-Class, E-Class and CLS sedan, as well as the M-Class later on.

Reducing fuel consumption is a priority for Mercedes as it adjusts to comply with the U.S. corporate average fuel-economy mandate of 35.5 mpg (6.6 L/100 km) as a fleet average by 2016.

With cleaner gasoline, that product strategy for the U.S. could include lean-burn engines, Heil suggests.

“That’s the significant next step for fuel-economy savings, which is not possible here, but maybe for the future,” he says.

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