Hot! Mercedes-Benz, What's Next?

[Serpens]

I'm not advocating which way to go. It's entirely up to the individual. What I'm addressing is the notion of ownership. Just because one rents a house, doesn't mean you own it. It's no different when it comes to car leasing. The title deed sits with the financing house.

Sure, but that's quite pedantic. It's their car. Conversationally it would be weird to draw a difference. And I surely don't think it should be a point of pride to pay cash for something like an S580 if you're the type of to upgrade in 3-4 years. All you did was lose a crap ton of money.

 

[Dopebouy]

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New Color?

 

[martinbo]

Sure, but that's quite pedantic. It's their car. Conversationally it would be weird to draw a difference.

I feel that you’re misconstruing what I’m saying. I have no agenda on which method of financing a vehicle is better or worse.
There’s no judgement. I have many friends who lease their vehicles. To me it’s their car; they pay for it, no one else does, so it is theirs. But they don’t own it.

Same holds true with renting a house - it’s their house for while they pay to live there. But they can’t sell the house because they don’t own it. No different with a leased vehicle. Contractually you can’t sell it in any capacity as you’re not the owner. Doesn’t mean it’s not your car though. The nuances of capitalism.

How did we get here? Well, it’s the notion that there’s a bunch of youngsters out there in their 20s with M3s and CLEs suggesting that ownership of these luxury vehicles is commonplace in that demographic. It isn’t.

 

[leylandi]

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[Matski]

This thing with the US Motor Vehicle Modernisation Act of 2026 could be somewhat beneficial to Mercedes. I know most outlets ran with the headline that it could lead to a sales ban on Mercedes in the USA, but to me the most likely outcome would be Li Shifu relinquishing ~5% of his shares in Mercedes... no US sales for Mercedes would tank the value of the ~19% holding he/Geely have, so better to offload 5% of the shares than see a greater reduction in the total investment. Potentially a small but worthwhile amount of shares available for the buy back scheme.

Having said that, Shifu would be taking a massive hit on the price at the moment to sell.

 

[AbsoluteUnit]

This thing with the US Motor Vehicle Modernisation Act of 2026 could be somewhat beneficial to Mercedes. I know most outlets ran with the headline that it could lead to a sales ban on Mercedes in the USA, but to me the most likely outcome would be Li Shifu relinquishing ~5% of his shares in Mercedes... no US sales for Mercedes would tank the value of the ~19% holding he/Geely have, so better to offload 5% of the shares than see a greater reduction in the total investment. Potentially a small but worthwhile amount of shares available for the buy back scheme.

Having said that, Shifu would be taking a massive hit on the price at the moment to sell.

Some money is better than none

 

[klier]

Some money is better than none

Depends on where it comes from

(I didn't read any of these MB banned in the U.S nonsense clickbait stories so I have no idea what this is about)

 

[Matski]

(I didn't read any of these MB banned in the U.S nonsense clickbait stories so I have no idea what this is about)

The USA has proposed a bill that means any auto manufacturer that is >15% owned by an adversary can't build, sell or import to the US. Mercedes is ~20% Chinese owned, and China is a US adversary... that's not particularly the click-baity bit, moreso the stories based on the assumption Mercedes wouldn't do something about it.

 

[Esp5]

What I don't understand is how that doesn't contradict Volvo, which is entirely Chinese-owned.

 

[klier]

The USA has proposed a bill that means any auto manufacturer that is >15% owned by an adversary can't build, sell or import to the US. Mercedes is ~20% Chinese owned, and China is a US adversary... that's not particularly the click-baity bit, moreso the stories based on the assumption Mercedes wouldn't do something about it.

Meanwhile, BMW is 75% European owned.

Where BMW does have massive Chinese exposure is not who owns them, but rather what they own in China. Because they have a majority stake in their BMW Brilliance BBA joint venture.

LOL how the turns table

What I don't understand is how that contradicts Volvo, which is entirely Chinese-owned.

Utterly f#cked I'd say.

 

[leylandi]

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