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[hoffmeister_fan]

Deary me, the insecurity is real with all those Maybach emblems.

 

[Swissbob]

Deary me, the insecurity is real with all those Maybach emblems.

I am really happy that I bought a pre Mopf, these emblems are so tacky and blingy.

 

[Merc1]

I refuse to believe the C and GLC AMG EVs will have 952hp. That’s just absurd overkill.

M

 

[Design FIRST]

I refuse to believe the C and GLC AMG EVs will have 952hp. That’s just absurd overkill.

M

It certainly appears absurd at initial glance. But these almost comically bizarre horsepower (kW) outputs are a byproduct of the increasing efficiency of e-motors in general. Basically, massive power output comes as an inevitable bonus. The complexities and costs involved in the boosting of power outputs in ICE (Hybrid) powered vehicles are, simply put, "unnecessary" in cutting edge tech BEV's. The massive power output is "just there". Even the single e-motor base versions are powerful. For the relatively low cost of adding an additional e-motor or two, manufacturers (AMG, BMW M, Audi Sport RS) can supplement model lines with genuine output monsters. Of course, not to say that manufacturers won't ruthlessly milk this (and grab the cash from customers who relish the bragging rights) for what it's worth. And "Over the Air Additional Power on Demand per subscription" will become an increasingly big thing.

 

[AbsoluteUnit]

I refuse to believe the C and GLC AMG EVs will have 952hp. That’s just absurd overkill.

M

The i3M is going to have 1000 apparently, so it's just competitive.

 

[Pagani]

For me, an EV horsepower is somehow worth less than one ICE horsepower. I’d rather have a 603hp 4L V8 than a 952hp 3-motor setup. Same when it comes to E Perfomance, the extra power just does not sound appealing.

 

[Merc1]

I can’t disagree with that. Seems like way too much complication. All these cars today just won’t be on the road in 10-12 years unless you have deep pockets.

M

 

[Swissbob]

The i3M is going to have 1000 apparently, so it's just competitive.

EV hp are cheap like chips.

If you already have a big battery you can reach almost any hp number you want at almost no cost.

I read somewhere that the difference between a 100hp motor and a 500hp motor is only a few hundred bucks.

But of course the companies charge us 50k more for that.

 

[klier]

EV hp are cheap like chips.

If you already have a big battery you can reach almost any hp number you want at almost no cost.

I read somewhere that the difference between a 100hp motor and a 500hp motor is only a few hundred bucks.

But of course the companies charge us 50k more for that.

Giving an ICE double it's original power is no problemo with todays turbo tech. A few thousand and you have a 1000 hp M3. But the downside is that everything will break down eventually.

I refuse to believe the C and GLC AMG EVs will have 952hp. That’s just absurd overkill.

M

The tide of peoples and the march of nations.

1000 hp is the bar for a 100k+ performance EV. A f#cking Renault hatch will come with 500 hp, so what are you gonna do with your EV AMG? Exactly. Double that.

 

[Dopebouy]

So you’re telling me a complete 1200hp EV drivetrain can be made for like 20k?

 

[Swissbob]

So you’re telling me a complete 1200hp EV drivetrain can be made for like 20k?

Without battery even less.

 

[klier]

So you’re telling me a complete 1200hp EV drivetrain can be made for like 20k?

Of course not, the battery alone will likely cost more than that.

Without battery even less.

Yeah but that's like saying you only need cylinder heads for an ICE drivetrain.
It doesn't work like that, a battery is pretty crucial.

 

[Dopebouy]

Without battery even less.

Meaning these Car Manufacturers are making +\- 500% profit per car in that case

 

[Swissbob]

Meaning these Car Manufacturers are making +\- 500% profit per car in that case

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Here we go. 128 for NCM.

 

[Swissbob]

The 2 motors of the i7 cost about 4k each as a spare part, and we know this is with a big margin.

OEMs have always very big margins on spare parts.

The i7 battery costs 54k as a spare part, but according to Bloomberg the battery price is 128$/kwh, it’s a 105kWh battery so it’s about 14k for the battery.

But they sell it for 54k.

I took BMW as an example because you can find all the figures much easier than with Mercedes Benz.

 

[Dopebouy]

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So for something like a GLC400 EQ $108 x 94KWh=$10 152(estimated) , for the battery pack. How much do each of those YASA motors cost?

 

[Swissbob]

So for something like a GLC400 EQ $108 x 94KWh=$10 152(estimated) , for the battery pack. How much do each of those YASA motors cost?

I guess about 1k.

 

[AbsoluteUnit]

The 2 motors of the i7 cost about 4k each as a spare part, and we know this is with a big margin.

OEMs have always very big margins on spare parts.

The i7 battery costs 54k as a spare part, but according to Bloomberg the battery price is 128$/kwh, it’s a 105kWh battery so it’s about 14k for the battery.

But they sell it for 54k.

I took BMW as an example because you can find all the figures much easier than with Mercedes Benz.

In terms of parts electric motors are quite cheap. But with the pace of development, you're also paying for the cost of R&D.
Which is the case for everything.

And even if the e motors are cheap. The batteries are not cheap. Nor are the electro mechanicals which are needed to manage the weight of the vehicle.

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

It's the inverter, that governs the motor, that costs a fortune.

 

[Dopebouy]

I guess about 1k

if so, i guess they’re a little cheap to replace when they go kaput then