Hot! Mercedes-Benz, What's Next?

[dalab]

So yeah, I don't like it, therefore its shit. To me.

Two words that save time

 

[Ghost1]

That looks nice. So only ev and no v8?

 

[SCOTT27]

That looks nice. So only ev and no v8?

I have no doubt this will be Electric. It’s been developed too far for them to (insert Alanis Morrisette song) “pull the plug!”

 

[Mr. Mercedes]

I have no doubt this will be Electric. It’s been developed too far for them to (insert Alanis Morrisette song) “pull the plug!”

Alanis Morissete has a song called Pull the Plug? I don't think so. Lol

 

[SCOTT27]

Alanis Morissete has a song called Pull the Plug? I don't think so. Lol

Ironic.

 

[leylandi]

only electric

 

[RobbinYoHoodv2]

Are the prices really that inflated in Europe? Here in the US, their prices exactly in line with inflation and their cars besides the EQE and EQS are pretty competitive and doing well.

2012

.6 A200 AMG Sport	£19,375
1.8 CDI A200 Sport 1.8 CDI (109ps) BlueEFFICIENCY 7G-DCT	£19,166.67
1.5 A160 Classic SE 5d CVT	£13,614.25
1.5 A160 Avantgarde SE (95bhp) 5d CVT	£15,285.11

2022

Variant type	MSRP
1.3 A200 AMG Line Executive Hatchback 5d	£26,341.67
2.0d A200d AMG Line Premium Plus Edition Saloon 4d	£29,525
1.3 A180 AMG Line Executive Edition Hatchback 5d 7G-DCT	£24,320.83
2.0 A250 AMG Line Premium Plus Edition Hatchback 5d	£29,362.5

2024
cheapest model £31,820- £38,875
which is more than the average uk family income
interestingly, I hear many people are trying to renegotiate finance agreements due to cost of living crisis.

E class
2010, £27,000
2012, £34,000
2024 - £54,000

combined annual inflation is about 47%, £1 in 2010 is now £1.47 apparently...
quite interesting really.

 

[Tourbillon]

only electric

Quite right. Speed reading doesn't help.

 

[AbsoluteUnit]

2012

.6 A200 AMG Sport	£19,375
1.8 CDI A200 Sport 1.8 CDI (109ps) BlueEFFICIENCY 7G-DCT	£19,166.67
1.5 A160 Classic SE 5d CVT	£13,614.25
1.5 A160 Avantgarde SE (95bhp) 5d CVT	£15,285.11

2022

Variant type	MSRP
1.3 A200 AMG Line Executive Hatchback 5d	£26,341.67
2.0d A200d AMG Line Premium Plus Edition Saloon 4d	£29,525
1.3 A180 AMG Line Executive Edition Hatchback 5d 7G-DCT	£24,320.83
2.0 A250 AMG Line Premium Plus Edition Hatchback 5d	£29,362.5

2024
cheapest model £31,820- £38,875
which is more than the average uk family income
interestingly, I hear many people are trying to renegotiate finance agreements due to cost of living crisis.

E class
2010, £27,000
2012, £34,000
2024 - £54,000

combined annual inflation is about 47%, £1 in 2010 is now £1.47 apparently...
quite interesting really.

Our currency and economy is also weaker now than it was in 2010 relative to the Euro and USD.
Add to that your standard issue corporate pocket-lining.

That having been said, the 2010 A-class was in another tier of product to the current A-class, and Mercedes are offering more equipment as standard and a consolidated trim range.

 

[leylandi]

EVA2-based sports sedan (SUS) has been discontinued for now

Initially, Mercedes wanted to offer a fifth derivative of the EVA2 platform, in addition to the EQE sedan and SUV, as well as the EQS sedan and SUV. It should be produced for the Chinese market in 2025. This variant, developed in China, was discontinued a few months ago.

The following statement was made in Stuttgart: "The China-specific additional vehicle project based on the EVA2 architecture will not continue for now."

Vehicle development has been stopped for now, probably due to the low level of electric car penetration in the upper vehicle segment.

The transition from EVA2 to EVA2M will occur at the end of 2025. Siemens Valo PSM machines will later be replaced by Mercedes' own developed eATS2.0. It features efficient SIC power electronics as well as an 800-volt on-board electrical system and 2-speed transmission for very short charging times.

Mercedes stoppt China EVA2 Derivat

Der Sport-Utility Sedan (SUS) auf Mercedes EVA2 Basis wurde nun vorerst gestoppt

jesmb.de

 

[BorkLaser]

When an A class now costs what an E class did ten years ago and an E class is double, it's a bit of a mess and people always seem to have a car one above what they could actually afford.

You also did this, don´t forget that. And now you witness the consequences of it.

 

[RobbinYoHoodv2]

You also did this, don´t forget that. And now you witness the consequences of it.

Haha, I don't think it's too bad, they haven't really done what they promised, just made a mess of it. American imported products are the same. With farm machinery I'd say it's more than double. Correct the specification has increased over time but how many other countries have wages doubled? Too many people have financed to keep up with neighbours and are now stuck. Can see why the sudden change to keeping smaller models going. I think if we compare the European prices and incomes, will be no different. It used to be nuch cheaper to buy in Europe, now not such a difference. I saw a Gt63s e is about 240k euros in the German online store, that's a good 35k euros more than here.

 

[Big Sam]

I think if we compare the European prices and incomes, will be no different. It used to be nuch cheaper to buy in Europe, now not such a difference. I saw a Gt63s e is about 240k euros in the German online store, that's a good 35k euros more than here.

That's because the Pound is significantly weaker now than it used to be.

 

[Centurion]

Why am I not excited about it? Acceleration and speed are commodities these days. The Iqonis 5, Tacan Turbo and Model S Plaid are that I don't think his AMG will have a big advantage over. Mercedes will also likely price it absurdly high.

 

[AbsoluteUnit]

Why am I not excited about it? Acceleration and speed are commodities these days. The Iqonis 5, Tacan Turbo and Model S Plaid are that I don't think his AMG will have a big advantage over. Mercedes will also likely price it absurdly high.

Why would anyone buy a Mercedes-AMG, Audi RS or BMW M EV on that basis?

I'm sure they will try to offer something the others don't have.

 

[RobbinYoHoodv2]

That's because the Pound is significantly weaker now than it used to be.

Yes, agreed - but even 2 or 3 years ago, the Euro was around 90 pence. - the Euro is pretty much the same today, if anything it's better for British people than 2019. Nothing like early 2000's when was 55 pence.
A GT63 SE is 256,000 euros..., that's £43k more at 85 pence and we have the import taxes too now? It's never been that way around. I know Finland etc, ridiculous tax rates, but Mercedes UK always increased the UK spec over Germany and charged a lot more for it. If we find the Euro prices, irrelevant of the UK and Brexit - I'm sure it will be similar...
just checked, 2010, cheapest E class in Germany, 40k Euros, now 79k Euros. At this trajectory, they will be more than the average house. - and I think German house prices fell 10 percent alone last quarter?
Also, to put the 2010 40k euro German E class price into perspective - £27k in the UK at that time and euro was still 86/87 pence. Now 79k euros vs 54k GBP. I don't think Brexit has made much of a difference, both seem to have doubled exactly in 14 years?

 

[Sunny]

I'm sure they will try to offer something the others don't have.

Maybe a bigger grill? That seems to be their only USP these days.

 

[BorkLaser]

just checked, 2010, cheapest E class in Germany, 40k Euros, now 79k Euros. At this trajectory, they will be more than the average house. - and I think German house prices fell 10 percent alone last quarter?

61999 Euros for the cheapest E-Class in Germany, but MB is generous, they give you a 6% discount.

Also bear in mind these are prices for the private customers. A taxi company would have received 17% for the taxi versions of the E-Class afaik.

(Guckst du hier)The German house market is disgusting, especially larger cities like Berlin or Munich. They want for 2 room apartment(1 bathroom, 1 bedroom) in Berlin with 70 m² living space that was designed by a drunk clown 650000€.

You could get at least 2-3 HOUSES in other parts of the republic, just sayin.

 

[AbsoluteUnit]

Car makers told to ditch distracting touchscreens

From 2026, crash testing body Euro NCAP will introduce rules that downgrade safety ratings of new vehicles that do not have easy-to-use buttons on the dashboard to control simple operations.

www.thisismoney.co.uk

Someone forward this directly to that Muppet Gorden Wagener.

 

[sbd]

You can add to the list, touch sensitive buttons on steering wheels!