S-Class W223 Mercedes-Benz S-Class (W223) Facelift 2024

[Merc1]

Unfortunately, tests aren't always a reliable source.
You have to drive the car. I can personally say that the G90 drives better and is much more beautifully built inside than the W223.
Let’s not forget that behind the development of the G90 stands none other than Biermann himself (longtime head of M GmbH), so don’t just believe everything you read in various reviews — go drive the car yourself, then come back and talk.
The V6 Biturbo in the W223 is nothing special — loud, underpowered, and thirsty. The only proper engine was the 580 before it got saddled with a battery.
I admit, even in the G90, the V8 from the previous model would be a better fit.

There is no V6 in the W223. You don’t know what youre talking about. Thirsty? Bullshit. I gets better mileage than the G90. Uh and what from rhat BMW M engineer has turned up in the driving when it comes to then G90 it doesn’t ride or handle as well as the S in actual testing. What battery is in the S580?


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[mr.Mister]

There is no V6 in the W223. You don’t know what youre talking about. Thirsty? Bullshit. I gets better mileage than the G90. Uh and what from rhat BMW M engineer has turned up in the driving when it comes to then G90 it doesn’t ride or handle as well as the S in actual testing. What battery is in the S580?


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Sorry i meant I6, and yes its NOTHING special.
Remember this: An S-CLASS starts with an V8, everything else is not a true S-Class.
The G90 rides as well comfortable as the W223.
As i said, the W223 is nothing special anymore, even some Chinese luxury cars have overtaken it.

The S580 has a mildhybrid system with 23 PS and the S580e is a plugin hybrid with 150 PS - both are crap with no real V8 sound, because of the OPF.
The only one, that was ok (but also not more then that) was the 580 withought battery in 2020-2022 - i think in the USA you can still get it.

 

[Merc1]

Sorry i meant I6, and yes its NOTHING special.
Remember this: An S-CLASS starts with an V8, everything else is not a true S-Class.
The G90 rides as well comfortable as the W223.
As i said, the W223 is nothing special anymore, even some Chinese luxury cars have overtaken it.

The S580 has a mildhybrid system with 23 PS and the S580e is a plugin hybrid with 150 PS - both are crap with no real V8 sound, because of the OPF.
The only one, that was ok (but also not more then that) was the 580 withought battery in 2020-2022 - i think in the USA you can still get it.

This is all your opinion. The actual market says otherwise. What you believe is or isn’t a S doesn’t mean anything to anyone but you. It’s not factual. The S580 is not the one you get for sound, that has always been the S63. You’re just throwing shit against the wall at this point. All matterless. S-Classes have had 6-cylinders for 50 years. No one is buying S580e for sound. That just more nonsense. Uh. The S580e is an I6 not a V8 so why would you be expecting V8 sound? You don’t know what you’re talking about.

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[Tuffode]

W223 vs a Hyundai with nice leather, I know which one I'm taking.

 

[SKY]

Unlike you, I’ve driven both, so I can easily say I’d always take the G90 over the W223.
And that’s coming from someone whose family already owned an S-Class when you were still in diapers.
But sure, the S-Class is living off its old glory — and many have already surpassed it.

And unlike me, you are a tiresome individual no matter the username you use. Please spare us your BS about whatever car it is you obsess about this month and the tales of your family cars.

 

[Matski]

I'm picking up some pretty negative vibes about the S-Class... surprising given that I recall some shit about being the head of the Mercedes Fanniest of Fan-clubs in Slovenia...

 

[Merc1]

And unlike me, you are a tiresome individual no matter the username you use. Please spare us your BS about whatever car it is you obsess about this month and the tales of your family cars.

What user name was he before? Who are we talking about?

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[Swissbob]

I have to admit, that the coupe and convertible versions of the G90 are very interesting.

But only as an addition to my other Mercs.

 

[klier]

What user name was he before? Who are we talking about?

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Sonder

Banned for this very shit. And banned again soon if he spams a who page talking to himself.

 

[mr.Mister]

This is all your opinion. The actual market says otherwise. What you believe is or isn’t a S doesn’t mean anything to anyone but you. It’s not factual. The S580 is not the one you get for sound, that has always been the S63. You’re just throwing shit against the wall at this point. All matterless. S-Classes have had 6-cylinders for 50 years. No one is buying S580e for sound. That just more nonsense. Uh. The S580e is an I6 not a V8 so why would you be expecting V8 sound? You don’t know what you’re talking about.

M

"Yup, that’s my opinion. And why should someone else’s opinion be more important or more credible? Who are you, for example, that your opinion should matter more?
We’re on a forum where everyone expresses THEIR OWN opinion. If that’s not allowed, then we’re talking about a blind cult.
It’s not true that you don’t choose a V8 engine also because of the sound – I’ve always done so. And I’ve had many S-Class cars already.
A V6 or inline-6 has no place in the S-Class – those are cars for housemaids. Too weak, no sound, and in the end, almost the same fuel consumption because they have to work that much harder.

 

[Swissbob]

TBH you buy a V8 for effortless power. The M177 is a nice, but to sporty for the S.

The weak point of the G90 is, that there’s only a V6 engine available.
I guess Genesis already wanted to move to EV in the G90 successor, and that V6 is only a stopgap.

 

[mr.Mister]

And unlike me, you are a tiresome individual no matter the username you use. Please spare us your BS about whatever car it is you obsess about this month and the tales of your family cars.

Ah, the classic retreat into personal insults when automotive arguments fall short — predictable as ever.
You may not like my opinion, but at least I bring firsthand experience to the table, not recycled forum slogans and emotional outbursts.
If hearing a perspective that challenges the W223 cult disturbs your peace, perhaps car forums aren’t for you.
Meanwhile, I’ll continue driving and forming opinions based on reality — not brand loyalty, nostalgia or internet echo chambers.

 

[mr.Mister]

I'm picking up some pretty negative vibes about the S-Class... surprising given that I recall some shit about being the head of the Mercedes Fanniest of Fan-clubs in Slovenia...

Ah yes, the internet never forgets — especially when it comes to imaginary clubs and made-up titles.
But you’re right, I’ve always appreciated the S-Class for what it was — a benchmark (thats why i still own one btw.).
The problem is when nostalgia turns into denial, and people can’t handle the idea that someone prefers something fresher, better built, and less obsessed with its own legacy.
Sorry if that upsets the Mercedes Ministry of Feelings.

 

[mr.Mister]

TBH you buy a V8 for effortless power. The M177 is a nice, but to sporty for the S.

The weak point of the G90 is, that there’s only a V6 engine available.
I guess Genesis already wanted to move to EV in the G90 successor, and that V6 is only a stopgap.

Exactly, I completely agree with you — the 63 AMG is too raw for what’s supposed to be an elegant executive limousine. And ever since they added the battery, it’s become way too heavy. Add the OPF, and now it doesn’t even have a proper sound.
That’s why I say the only truly ‘acceptable’ version is the 580.

I also agree with you about the G90 — and you're right, they're working on an electric version. But as I said, the current V6 isn’t bad at all. Of course, it’s not a V8, and that has to be acknowledged — but it certainly doesn’t have to hide from any six-cylinder offering from the so-called 'German holy trinity'.

 

[Swissbob]

The best engines in the S-Class were the 5.5L N/A and the 4.7L Bi-Turbo, and of course all V12 Bi-Turbo.

Those were effortless powerful, and also sounded very well.

The M177 lacks the capacity, it has been downsized to 4L because of china.
You can feel it, there’s almost no power under 2500-3000rpm.

 

[Merc1]

"Yup, that’s my opinion. And why should someone else’s opinion be more important or more credible? Who are you, for example, that your opinion should matter more?
We’re on a forum where everyone expresses THEIR OWN opinion. If that’s not allowed, then we’re talking about a blind cult.
It’s not true that you don’t choose a V8 engine also because of the sound – I’ve always done so. And I’ve had many S-Class cars already.
A V6 or inline-6 has no place in the S-Class – those are cars for housemaids. Too weak, no sound, and in the end, almost the same fuel consumption because they have to work that much harder.

Your opinion on engines being thirsty isn’t based on fact. You’re just plain wrong. I don’t care what you buy a car for. It’s silly asf to buy a S580 for sound when it’s not designed for sound. The actual market disagrees with you on a 6-cylinder in an S Class. No they don’t have the same fuel consumption, again a nonsense opinion proved wrong in actual testing. You want sound you get an S63 not a S500 or S580. Oh but wait you think the S63 is too raw but you want sound in the S500 and S580. Ridiculous.


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[mr.Mister]

Your opinion on engines being thirsty isn’t based on fact. You’re just plain wrong. I don’t care what you buy a car for. It’s silly asf to buy a S580 for sound when it’s not designed for sound. The actual market disagrees with you on a 6-cylinder in an S Class. No they don’t have the same fuel consumption, again a nonsense opinion proved wrong in actual testing. You want sound you get an S63 not a S500 or S580. Oh but wait you think the S63 is too raw but you want sound in the S500 and S580. Ridiculous.


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You're once again making assumptions and putting words in my mouth.
Several business partners and acquaintances of mine own 6-cylinder S-Classes, and yes, at higher speeds and around town they have practically the same fuel consumption as the V8s. That’s an absolute fact, and it’s also logical: practically the same weight but less power – go back to school and learn some physics.
I don't know if you've heard, but there are different nuances of sound: the V8 in the 500 models (W140, W220, W221) is a beautiful blend of refinement and sportiness – not as "in your face" as the AMG models.
When I said "too raw," I wasn't just talking about the sound (which, in the current S63 W223, is honestly terrible, since the OPF completely muffles it), but about the entire configuration of the car – too aggressive design with too much plastic, an ugly grille with the central star, and a suspension that's too stiff for an S-Class.
You read superficially and then make silly and incorrect conclusions. Pay more attention to what I'm writing.

 

[mr.Mister]

The best engines in the S-Class were the 5.5L N/A and the 4.7L Bi-Turbo, and of course all V12 Bi-Turbo.

Those were effortless powerful, and also sounded very well.

The M177 lacks the capacity, it has been downsized to 4L because of china.
You can feel it, there’s almost no power under 2500-3000rpm.

Respect, exactly like that!

 

[Merc1]

You're once again making assumptions and putting words in my mouth.
Several business partners and acquaintances of mine own 6-cylinder S-Classes, and yes, at higher speeds and around town they have practically the same fuel consumption as the V8s. That’s an absolute fact, and it’s also logical: practically the same weight but less power – go back to school and learn some physics.
I don't know if you've heard, but there are different nuances of sound: the V8 in the 500 models (W140, W220, W221) is a beautiful blend of refinement and sportiness – not as "in your face" as the AMG models.
When I said "too raw," I wasn't just talking about the sound (which, in the current S63 W223, is honestly terrible, since the OPF completely muffles it), but about the entire configuration of the car – too aggressive design with too much plastic, an ugly grille with the central star, and a suspension that's too stiff for an S-Class.
You read superficially and then make silly and incorrect conclusions. Pay more attention to what I'm writing.

Maybe you should go back to school so you can decipher your own bs. Practically the same is NOT the same. It either is the same or it isn’t. In actual testing they are NOT the same. Fact. I have a W140 S500 and the sound it makes is muffled at best. The rest is is just your preference, nothing factual. No need because I consider it nonsense.

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[Swissbob]

I also own a 1996 S500, you’re right it really sounds very quiet, but it drives effortlessly.

I also think the sound is appropriate for a S-Class.

You’re not buying a S-Class to wake up your neighbors.