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What Mystery Supercar Will McLaren Show Next Month?

The debut will be at the Velocity Invitational from November 10 through 12 at Sonoma Raceway in California.

McLaren will celebrate its 60th anniversary at the Velocity Invitational running from November 10 through 12 at Sonoma Raceway in California. The brand will bring a collection of classic models to the event but will also unveil "a very special supercar" there.

Unfortunately, we don't know anything else about the model yet. McLaren hasn't released any images of the machine. "The planned reveal will involve both superstar drivers and a car that will take fans’ breath away," according to the company.

We don't have any official technical details about the new supercar. In May 2023, McLaren said it had a new hybrid V8 coming. Company CEO Michael Leiters said: "Our new high-performance, hybrid V8 powertrain will form an integral part of McLaren’s next-generation product line-up delivering best-in-class performance and thrilling driver engagement." The company Ricardo will handle the powerplant's production.

Leiters previously said he didn't expect McLaren to offer a full EV supercar until the end of the decade. Before the company is willing to build one it has to offer the power, performance, and handling of a combustion-powered machine.

McLaren allegedly showed a new hybrid hypercar at a dealer meeting earlier this year. Although, it's not clear whether this is the vehicle that the automaker is bringing to the Velocity Invitational. The brand also reportedly presented a four-seat, four-door vehicle at the event for sellers."

What Mystery Supercar Will McLaren Show Next Month?

McLaren will unveil a new supercar at the Velocity Invitational running from November 10 through 12 at Sonoma Raceway in California.

www.motor1.com

UPDATE: Motor1.com reached out to McLaren, and a spokesperson told us: "Unfortunately, we can't say more at this stage."

 

[Jonathan19]

What Mystery Supercar Will McLaren Show Next Month?

The debut will be at the Velocity Invitational from November 10 through 12 at Sonoma Raceway in California.

McLaren will celebrate its 60th anniversary at the Velocity Invitational running from November 10 through 12 at Sonoma Raceway in California. The brand will bring a collection of classic models to the event but will also unveil "a very special supercar" there.

Unfortunately, we don't know anything else about the model yet. McLaren hasn't released any images of the machine. "The planned reveal will involve both superstar drivers and a car that will take fans’ breath away," according to the company.

We don't have any official technical details about the new supercar. In May 2023, McLaren said it had a new hybrid V8 coming. Company CEO Michael Leiters said: "Our new high-performance, hybrid V8 powertrain will form an integral part of McLaren’s next-generation product line-up delivering best-in-class performance and thrilling driver engagement." The company Ricardo will handle the powerplant's production.

Leiters previously said he didn't expect McLaren to offer a full EV supercar until the end of the decade. Before the company is willing to build one it has to offer the power, performance, and handling of a combustion-powered machine.

McLaren allegedly showed a new hybrid hypercar at a dealer meeting earlier this year. Although, it's not clear whether this is the vehicle that the automaker is bringing to the Velocity Invitational. The brand also reportedly presented a four-seat, four-door vehicle at the event for sellers."

What Mystery Supercar Will McLaren Show Next Month?

McLaren will unveil a new supercar at the Velocity Invitational running from November 10 through 12 at Sonoma Raceway in California.

www.motor1.com

UPDATE: Motor1.com reached out to McLaren, and a spokesperson told us: "Unfortunately, we can't say more at this stage."

Oh that is VERY intresting thanks for sharing Mate!

 

[Tourbillon]

Oh that is VERY intresting thanks for sharing Mate!

Yes it is. VERY interesting. Mclaren declined to comment so there's definitely something to it. If there's one car I'd Love to break it would be this one, for my friends LOL!

 

[dalab]

Yes it is. VERY interesting. Mclaren declined to comment so there's definitely something to it. If there's one car I'd Love to break it would be this one, for my friends LOL!

The SUV?

 

[Tourbillon]

The SUV?

It's not an SUV I don't believe. They've got two current platforms to utilise!

 

[Tourbillon]

"Carmaker seeks further investment after production problems deepen losses.

19 October 2023 • 4:33pm

"McLaren has admitted it is reliant on more investment from its Bahraini owner to stay afloat after losses at the business more than doubled last year.

McLaren’s losses swelled from £135m in 2021 to £349m last year, newly published accounts show. It equates to a deficit of almost £140,000 per car produced last year as costs crept up and deliveries stalled.

Investors put £370m into the company between March and September this year, the accounts show, marking the third cash injection from owners in two years.

However, McLaren said it would require further cash infusions to stay in business for the next 12 months.

The need for more funds and the potential for more product delays “indicate a material uncertainty which may cast significant doubt over the Group’s and the Company’s ability to continue as a going concern”, directors warned.

McLaren’s biggest shareholder, controlling more than two-thirds of the company, is Bahrain Mumtalakat Holding Company, the sovereign wealth fund for the kingdom. It owns more than half the company’s shares and has invested heavily in preference shares that can convert to a larger shareholding.

(McLaren has suffered setbacks in delivering its hybrid Artura supercar)

Since July last year, its owners have pumped about £600m into the manufacturer and they are unlikely to pull out now, people close to the company say.

McLaren’s production has suffered in recent years amid a drought of computer chips, which are vital to making modern cars and controlling everything from tyre pressure to airbag release. It has also had to pay more for raw materials.

The company has separately suffered setbacks in delivering its hybrid Artura supercar. The £190,715 V6 two-seater required “technical upgrades”, which delayed their shipment to paying customers.

The delays have put intense pressure on the company’s balance sheet. Last year the company raised £100m selling its inhouse car collection to its biggest shareholder. The collection includes Formula One championship-winning cars.

The company has warned over its financial position before as it continues to recover from the pandemic.

Insiders insist that the company’s main shareholder is supportive and that the carmaker’s future is safe.

Directors, including new boss Michael Leiters who joined as chief executive last year, pointed to a larger order book of 1,953 cars and “strong interest” in the new Artura as reasons to be optimistic.

Money was pumped into McLaren in 2021 when it received backing from San Francisco hedge fund Ares and Saudi Arabia’s Public Investment Fund (PIF) – the owner of Newcastle United – for £400m. Existing shareholders put in an additional £150m.

(The company raised £100m last year after selling its inhouse collection, which included F1 championship-winning cars CREDIT: Pascal Rondeau/Getty Images)

Mumtalakat bought out Ares and PIF earlier this year, cementing its grip on the company.

McLaren is part way through simplifying its corporate structure which, because of recent investments, is a patchwork of shares, preference shares and debt.

The business’s technology wing, McLaren Applied, was bought in 2021 by Greybull Capital, an investor best known for backing British Steel and defunct airline Monarch.

McLaren’s racing business, founded in 1963, is no longer officially part of the group after a consortium of private investors took control in December 2020.

Mr Leiters, a former Porsche and Ferrari executive, told a conference in May that his company was not yet ready to switch its cars to electric, claiming drivers “cannot enjoy [themselves] at the weekend” when heavy lithium batteries are under the hood.

He told delegates: “Today, battery technology is not yet mature. If you go sporty, if you want to enjoy yourself at the weekend, if you go on a racetrack, it’s not yet the right technology.”

McLaren warns over future as it scrambles for cash injection

Carmaker seeks further investment after production problems deepen losses

www.telegraph.co.uk

 

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[Jo_Sta7]

Financially the company is in a terrible position and at the moment the Artura seems a huge mistake. Should have just kept a V8 base car smaller displacement 600+ HP.

 

[Jonathan19]

Financially the company is in a terrible position and at the moment the Artura seems a huge mistake. Should have just kept a V8 base car smaller displacement 600+ HP.

Since the 750s (Coupe and Spider) are sold out for years and they are some rumors about at LT version i guess McLaren understand they F up with the Artura.

Plus they dev a All new Hybrid V8 setup that will be show next year!

It's clear that McLaren know the V6 hybrid is note what clients wants.

And the new car they will show next month is rumored to be a V8.

 

[Tourbillon]

Since the 750s (Coupe and Spider) are sold out for years and they are some rumors about at LT version i guess McLaren understand they F up with the Artura.

Plus they dev a All new Hybrid V8 setup that will be show next year!

It's clear that McLaren know the V6 hybrid is note what clients wants.

And the new car they will show next month is rumored to be a V8.

Everything was brand new, that's possibly why. The McLaren 720S as a powertrain had been developing since the MP4 12C. That from what I remember had a shaky start. But that was a long time ago.

The Artura nothing was carried over at all. To get a Supercar one that's being mass produced up to acceptable levels of both build quality and reliability is going to cost dozens of millions of dollars.

It's things like selling the factory and then leasing it back or selling off a portion of the F1 Collection or Heritage Cars?

I don't know. My era is completely different I grew up and through the Ron Dennis era. He was apparently, well I can't say, buy he did get the job done. Atleast early in Formula One.

It's such a bloody shame. Smh.

 

[Jonathan19]

Everything was brand new, that's possibly why. The McLaren 720S as a powertrain had been developing since the MP4 12C. That from what I remember had a shaky start. But that was a long time ago.

The Artura nothing was carried over at all. To get a Supercar one that's being mass produced up to acceptable levels of both build quality and reliability is going to cost dozens of millions of dollars.

It's things like selling the factory and then leasing it back or selling off a portion of the F1 Collection or Heritage Cars?

I don't know. My era is completely different I grew up and through the Ron Dennis era. He was apparently, well I can't say, buy he did get the job done. Atleast early in Formula One.

It's such a bloody shame. Smh.

Well im agree with you but McLaren din't made the right choise for this Artura.

Ferrari made the same "Style of setup" but they kill it in design (Exterior not interior lol) and they made the (Entry level mid engine) car with 830hp!

Really a shame they (Ferrari) made this Bullshit of interior tech!

 

[Tourbillon]

Well im agree with you but McLaren din't made the right choise for this Artura.

Ferrari made the same "Style of setup" but they kill it in design (Exterior not interior lol) and they made the (Entry level mid engine) car with 830hp!

Really a shame they (Ferrari) made this Bullshit of interior tech!

I don't disagree with what your saying but they HAVE to make it work because the platform V6 hybrid will apparently be used for the eventual Mclaren 750S replacement plus additional motors.

The Flagship is getting a brand new V8 engine. I'm sure they could of used the old engine and updated it. It might be an evolution engine we just don't know yet

As for Ferrari well they're killing it. Porsche too even Lamborghini are.

Mclaren can do it too.

 

[Jonathan19]

I don't disagree with what your saying but they HAVE to make it work because the platform V6 hybrid will apparently be used for the eventual Mclaren 750S replacement plus additional motors.

The Flagship is getting a brand new V8 engine. I'm sure they could of used the old engine and updated it. It might be an evolution engine we just don't know yet

As for Ferrari well they're killing it. Porsche too even Lamborghini are.

Mclaren can do it too.

Oh yes, I agree too! And I know they have to get their V6 setup right, but I think it's going to take a lot of work before it's suitable.

I don't see it replacing the 750s for many years to come.... What's more, if the rumour of an LT version also in the pipeline is true, then they'll have plenty of time to prepare a V6 hybrid on another level.

 

[martinbo]

What I want to know is how soon until the next one catches fire.

 

[Tourbillon]

Oh yes, I agree too! And I know they have to get their V6 setup right, but I think it's going to take a lot of work before it's suitable.

I don't see it replacing the 750s for many years to come.... What's more, if the rumour of an LT version also in the pipeline is true, then they'll have plenty of time to prepare a V6 hybrid on another level.

The bulk of the engineering work has already been done. It's not going to take much pre production prototyping to add two motors to the front wheels, one each.

The carbon fiber chassis, engine and transmission are done. Unless they've completely changed the first one- never thought about that!

Mclaren Artura Spider then then the LT. I'd think.

 

[Tourbillon]

What I want to know is how soon until the next one catches fire.

Well the financial situation is on fire, even the die hards have to agree the numbers are what they are and they are atrocious.

But maybe in off topic section we can make a thread about car fires? That's an idea! Because there's a Porsche 918 that went up in flames at a petrol station, from memory and could blown half the neighborhood up too LOL! That's definitely the bomb!

 

[A.P.]

"Carmaker seeks further investment after production problems deepen losses.

19 October 2023 • 4:33pm

"McLaren has admitted it is reliant on more investment from its Bahraini owner to stay afloat after losses at the business more than doubled last year.

McLaren’s losses swelled from £135m in 2021 to £349m last year, newly published accounts show. It equates to a deficit of almost £140,000 per car produced last year as costs crept up and deliveries stalled.

Investors put £370m into the company between March and September this year, the accounts show, marking the third cash injection from owners in two years.

However, McLaren said it would require further cash infusions to stay in business for the next 12 months.

The need for more funds and the potential for more product delays “indicate a material uncertainty which may cast significant doubt over the Group’s and the Company’s ability to continue as a going concern”, directors warned.

McLaren’s biggest shareholder, controlling more than two-thirds of the company, is Bahrain Mumtalakat Holding Company, the sovereign wealth fund for the kingdom. It owns more than half the company’s shares and has invested heavily in preference shares that can convert to a larger shareholding.

(McLaren has suffered setbacks in delivering its hybrid Artura supercar)

Since July last year, its owners have pumped about £600m into the manufacturer and they are unlikely to pull out now, people close to the company say.

McLaren’s production has suffered in recent years amid a drought of computer chips, which are vital to making modern cars and controlling everything from tyre pressure to airbag release. It has also had to pay more for raw materials.

The company has separately suffered setbacks in delivering its hybrid Artura supercar. The £190,715 V6 two-seater required “technical upgrades”, which delayed their shipment to paying customers.

The delays have put intense pressure on the company’s balance sheet. Last year the company raised £100m selling its inhouse car collection to its biggest shareholder. The collection includes Formula One championship-winning cars.

The company has warned over its financial position before as it continues to recover from the pandemic.

Insiders insist that the company’s main shareholder is supportive and that the carmaker’s future is safe.

Directors, including new boss Michael Leiters who joined as chief executive last year, pointed to a larger order book of 1,953 cars and “strong interest” in the new Artura as reasons to be optimistic.

Money was pumped into McLaren in 2021 when it received backing from San Francisco hedge fund Ares and Saudi Arabia’s Public Investment Fund (PIF) – the owner of Newcastle United – for £400m. Existing shareholders put in an additional £150m.

(The company raised £100m last year after selling its inhouse collection, which included F1 championship-winning cars CREDIT: Pascal Rondeau/Getty Images)

Mumtalakat bought out Ares and PIF earlier this year, cementing its grip on the company.

McLaren is part way through simplifying its corporate structure which, because of recent investments, is a patchwork of shares, preference shares and debt.

The business’s technology wing, McLaren Applied, was bought in 2021 by Greybull Capital, an investor best known for backing British Steel and defunct airline Monarch.

McLaren’s racing business, founded in 1963, is no longer officially part of the group after a consortium of private investors took control in December 2020.

Mr Leiters, a former Porsche and Ferrari executive, told a conference in May that his company was not yet ready to switch its cars to electric, claiming drivers “cannot enjoy [themselves] at the weekend” when heavy lithium batteries are under the hood.

He told delegates: “Today, battery technology is not yet mature. If you go sporty, if you want to enjoy yourself at the weekend, if you go on a racetrack, it’s not yet the right technology.”

McLaren warns over future as it scrambles for cash injection

Carmaker seeks further investment after production problems deepen losses

www.telegraph.co.uk

I thought Aston Martin was completely bankrupt according to a certain blog-poster guy who always says postive things about McLaren and not so much about other brands. It seems like McLaren is actually in a rougher shape, but it's not that new for British car brands?

Even after Saudi investments they still fu*k it up. A year later with a new boss/broad and many lay-offs, the situation is even worse (won't be surprised if a new boss is already considered).

Let's be honest with ourselves, Artura is cool, but no way more desirable than a 296 or a Huracan, or even a MC20. Especially when you know it's problems can pop up anytime and ruin the good times.

I think the V8 hybrid (Revuelto/SF90) competitor is further away than needed, frankly because the Artura problems put a dent in that work.

Not surprised if they want to drag out the 750S for a bit longer until that one is complete, but 765LT values would be tanking into the garbage bin, a trait McLaren can't get rid of.

As for Artura Spider, will it even happen? Will the 4-door McLaren happen? We know the P1 replacement is in development. Only time will tell, assuming they are still afloat and investors haven't given up.

I'm looking forward to whatever special model they will present in the coming days for their 60th anniversary event.

 

[Tourbillon]

I thought Aston Martin was completely bankrupt according to a certain blog-poster guy who always says postive things about McLaren and not so much about other brands. It seems like McLaren is actually in a rougher shape, but it's not that new for British car brands?

Even after Saudi investments they still fu*k it up. A year later with a new boss/broad and many lay-offs, the situation is even worse (won't be surprised if a new boss is already considered).

Let's be honest with ourselves, Artura is cool, but no way more desirable than a 296 or a Huracan, or even a MC20. Especially when you know it's problems can pop up anytime and ruin the good times.

I think the V8 hybrid (Revuelto/SF90) competitor is further away than needed, frankly because the Artura problems put a dent in that work.

Not surprised if they want to drag out the 750S for a bit longer until that one is complete, but 765LT values would be tanking into the garbage bin, a trait McLaren can't get rid of.

As for Artura Spider, will it even happen? Will the 4-door McLaren happen? We know the P1 replacement is in development. Only time will tell, assuming they are still afloat and investors haven't given up.

I'm looking forward to whatever special model they will present in the coming days for their 60th anniversary event.

You're not wrong in anything you've said. I do talk to guys from all the Legacy brand manufacturers nobody will agree on anything. And I mean anything. Ofcourse opinions are Welcome I've absolutely no problems with that.

It's just it's better to report on solid facts and discuss those instead.

In terms of anything like products and production common sense dictates they have to get on top of the Artura- fast.

There are things that are history now but are pretty shocking when I first found out.

With McLaren, expect the unexpected.

Buy I have to say individually, I Love the Artura and did from the start. Not so much the 750S but as more colours and specifications are shown it's getting better.

 

[Jo_Sta7]

big issue with Artura is they held it back. You can actually feel that when driving it. Developing the hybrid platform is 95% of the work the car having 650 or 750 HP isn’t really that different from a cost standpoint. They should have just let the car be a monster. Add in the fact that it’s way more complicated and costly than expected and they’re up shits creek.

 

[Tourbillon]

Nobody is immune. I've heard~ as yet unsubstantiated rumours of the Ferrari SF90 having "gremlins" and even the newer Ferrari 296GTB again I haven't had time to look into it but that's Ferrari? They have huge reserves of cash and some the finest engineers on the planet.

With McLaren another thing is they sold (or were forced to sell?) MAT or Mclaten Applied Technologies who from memory engineered the Mclaren Speedtail powertrain.

That surely cost them a massive brain and talent pool of expertise and experience in hybridized engine's. unless they're still linked somehow which I doubt


Aston Martin and Mercedes Benz struggled with their hybrids for nearly half a decade or more. We will see how Lamborghini fairs in comparison.

It's just a mess and a damn shame.

Chevrolet Corvette C8 naturally aspirated
Chevrolet Corvette C8 E Ray hybrid
Chevrolet Corvette C8 ZR1 twin turbo
Chevrolet Corvette C8 "Zora" twin turbocharged hybrid

+ Spiders.

They should have brought out just the twin turbocharged V6 first then the hybrid perhaps then an LT etc etc.