Vs Maybach vs. Bentley vs. Rolls-Royce

[EnI]

Yes, Marcus. And you are the representative of all the rich people. Fair enough.

You won. I rest my case ...


********


Btw, did anyone else noticed the Mulsanne gauge panel is suspiciously similar to the one from Audi A8. And even the command "MMI" center is going into very Audi direction. This is the point where I'm starting to worry about some brands in VAG portfolio.

Yes, RR is also based on BMW tech - but at least it's very well hidden.

 

[Mr Robert]

Rolls, but a black.

 

[coolraoul]

Bentley for me... but I'm waiting for interior pics!

 

[Mr Robert]

No matter in which seat are you sitting. While Mulsanne looks more Bentley - more driver's car.

...and it sure looks it too.

In this image it has so many ques that makes it looks like a small sports car.

 

[Centurion]

Watch and learn.
This car will make the gap between the Bentley & RR brand even larger.
It will be compared to Ghost, not Phantom.

Phantom - as said - is beyond typical car experience.

But as driver's car ... tough call between Ghost and this new Bentley, a would say.

Watch & learn.

Seriously that's just pure non-sense. The Ghost is a Bentley Continental GT competitor, both cars are 50% British, 50% German with heavy components sharing. The Mulsanne will command a price well over 300k and features a bespoke platform and aluminium structure. VAG already have the driver-car base covered with the Panamera. At 30cm longer than the Arnage, the Mulsanne is an entirely new car. You're talking as if the Phantom is unrivalled. There is nothing about the Phantom that the Mulsanne or Arnage doesn't have besides bulkiness.

PS. BMW elements are well visible in the Ghost

 

[Centurion]

For me I'd have all three, but not these three. A Brooklands, 57S and Drophead Coupe, but I have to choose here it is definitely the new Bentley.

M

Same here. Although the MM has suffered commercial failure, the 57S is a very appealing car.

 

[Sayyaaf]

PS. Ghost elements are well visible in the Ghost

 

[Centurion]

Fixed

 

[Human]

Givin the time the Phantom has been around it looks the best and the freshest and finest!

Bentley is F*ken ugly

 

[EnI]

You're talking as if the Phantom is unrivalled. There is nothing about the Phantom that the Mulsanne or Arnage doesn't have besides bulkiness.

It's not about bulkiness. It's about the cabin atmosphere & layout & design - which in eg. Bentley & Maybach & even in Ghost is more typical car like.

While the sensation in Phantom's cabin is beyond car. You sit much higher, having a command almost SUV-like driving & sitting position, even more so in the back - where you sit above the driver level. the interior layout & design (front) looks & feels like a yacht, while in the back seats it's like a lounge.

I'm sure car-wise Mulsanne is better than Phantom - it's also newer ... so that's expected. And I'm sure VAG put all the finniest & latest tech in the car.

But presence & prestige wise ... yes, Phantom is still, and will be unchallenged. Only Bugatti has a potential to surpass Phantom in exclusiveness & prestige. And I'm sure VAG will do it.

So the positioning between Bentley-RR-Bugatti will be like this:

Continental > Ghost > Mulsanne > Phantom > Bugatti uber-sedan

PS. BMW elements are well visible in the Ghost

Yes, the proportions & layouts are similar - since the platform is same. But visible STYLING elements are not present at all.

Name one.


*****

Regarding Mulsanne ... I must admit I like Continental series better ... since that was really a fresh approach to the Bentley design - modern yet typical Bentley: nothing radical but appealing.

While Mulsanne looks like an old lady with a facelift.
Or like HRH with tons of botox under the skin of her face.

But ... I'm sure there won't be much cross-shopping between Phantom & Mulsanne - the clientèle is different.

But ... I can see many potential Mulsanne buyers (who buy a driver's car in this segment) checking will look down to AM Rapide & RR Ghost. Not as expensive, but I'm sure almost as prestigious.

C'mon ... look at the Ghost interior pics & compare them to Mulsanne interior. Even Ghost interior is more exclusive & prestigious looking than this one from Mulsanne. I'm sure the materials & fit+finish will be superb. But the design & layout aren't anything special at all. Not being exclusive & excuisite enough. And that's what it counts in this segment.

Why do you think Maybach is a fail. Although it's a superb car ... ITS DESIGN IS NOT SPECIAL, DISTINCTIVE & EXCLUSIVE ENOUGH!

Sure Mulsanne is a fine car but I'm 110% sure it won't dethrone the Phantom. Will it be commercially successful - of course it will. But image wise stil inferior to Phantom. Ask any automotive guru if you don't believe me.

 

[klier]

The new Bent makes the Roller look like a big fat stinky cigar smoking ass terd in comparison. Love the new Bently.

Expected comment from one of the biggest BMW trolls on this forum.

 

[martinbo]

Damn, that's one hella ugly car right there. In my opinion it completely lacks the stature, presence and proportion of the Phantom. Ugly DRG - what's with the squiff-eyes and ridiculous, jutting out front bumper.

Oh, and the Bentley badges on the wheels don't self-level.

Completely lacking in originality I feel... whatever it showcases or does, the Phantom has already done it.

 

[klier]

Oh hell yeah..thats hot. New segment leader, Rolls and Maybach can forget about it. Maybach is just about finished now.


M

Hahahahaha!!! Maybach pretty much doesn't exist anymore, and this new Bentley can try against the new Ghost, the Phantom is another step up for this thing here

 

[Mr Robert]

Yes, the proportions & layouts are similar - since the platform is same. But visible STYLING elements are not present at all.

Name one.

People want there to be similarities, so that they can say that it is only a rebadged 7-series.

 

[EnI]

People want there to be similarities, so that they can say that it is only a rebadged 7-series.

There are many similarities - in layout. From exterior proportions to interior dash layout (eg. position of command display, AC, control knob, shortcut "radio" buttons etc - since the systems used behind are the same. Of course no company is that stupid to develop a completely different HMI system for cars which sales in eg 1500 units per year.

Yet ... I'm confident the similarities (except for the general layout) are very well hidden. Every knob & button is different. Etc.

While in the Mulsanne case I noticed the similarity between the gauge panel from this car & the Audi A8 (two round gauges on each side, and a trapezoid display in between ... shifter & HMI system knobs position etc) . But I need more pics to see if I'm right or wrong. But from the first impression I can notice quite some Audi influence.

 

[Mr Robert]

There are many similarities - in layout. From exterior proportions to interior dash layout (eg. position of command display, AC, control knob, shortcut "radio" buttons etc - since the systems used behind are the same. Of course no company is that stupid to develop a completely different HMI system for cars which sales in eg 1500 units per year.

I agree, but I still think that very few would say "this is a BMW underneath, right?" if they did not know this for a fact.

1,500 units a year, in good days, I certainly hope this type of cars have huge margins and cost very little in terms of R&D.

 

[SCOTT27]

Actually the BMW 7er extended wheel base lends it's platform to the Rolls-Royce Ghost but is then extended a few inches more and widened more than the 7er , other areas are completely mounted different from the 7er such as the firewall , engine cradle and suspension mounts.

In the interior everything is shared with BMW and MINI but Rolls-Royce manufacturer bespoke switches and buttons , yes underneath is pure BMW technology but is disguised to allow a bespoke interior as expected of a Rolls-Royce , We do not share this BMW componentry with Rolls-royce or indeed MINI each manufacturer gets their own bespoke and individual interiors. You cannot step into a Rolls-Royce and say this is button is on a BMW because it's not , the technology is but the feel and finish is not.

To say the Ghost is just a 7er is far off the mark. It is an entirely different car from the 7er from the ground up built to accomodate the personality of a Rolls-Royce.

 

[EnI]

I agree, but I still think that very few would say "this is a BMW underneath, right?" if they did not know this for a fact.

Anyway --- in both RR & Bentley case --- I'm glad to see superb German engineering underneath the skin, than the cr.p found in eg. 70s-90s RRs/Bentleys.

 

[LaArtist]

****** hell..i came to see if any new info came..
and i just read to 4 pages of BMW fans shitting all over the thread..

God damn it..

Go away.. its not often we see a new bentley we dont need your RR talk..

 

[LaArtist]

The interior of the bentley is so more driver focused..
Look at the RR ..lol its just not made to be driven by the owner..

Same with the MM .. but atleast thats better.. you can still drive the 57s without looking like a hired driver