Vs Maybach vs. Bentley vs. Rolls-Royce

[SCOTT27]

The new Bent makes the Roller look like a big fat stinky cigar smoking ass terd in comparison. Love the new Bently.

Then you have no clue at what Rolls-Royce and Bentley are as brands.

Bentley is more of a premium sporting character where the driver is principle whereas Rolls-Royce are seen as the quintessential luxury brand with character and status befitting the owner. The Mulsanne and Phantom are not direct rivals per se as the Phantom is more expensive.
Maybach is an example of the excess propelled by Wall St. and the Dot Com bubble sooner or later it had to burst.

 

[LaArtist]

A full public debut will be given to the Mulsanne at the Frankfurt motor show from September 15 2009, an event evo.co.uk will have full live coverage from. More information will be revealed then. The new Bentley goes on sale in summer 2010, with prices expected to be on par with the £271,000 Rolls-Royce Phantom.

 

[HighestOfHigh]

My thoughts –

1. Maybach 57/57S/62 – When this car first came out everyone saw it as more of a Super Mercedes-Benz then an entirely new brand. I believe this was the first step it hurting it’s image. Even though Maybach has not been top dog when it comes to sales, it is mind blowing luxury at best. The Maybach is more contemporary then the Rolls-Royce and Bentley. At the time of it’s release Maybach was a technical and luxurious masterpiece and featured items never seen before in a luxury vehicle. The Maybach is far from death regardless of sales, but it does need an added boost to keep it more competitive. That said it is still the most powerful out of the 3 here. It just needs a technical makeover more in the lines of the W221.

2. Rolls-Royce Phantom – Rolls-Royce has always and I do mean always been my top brand of choice, until they were purchase by BMW. Yes, I will admit that I am someone bias based on the BMW ownership now. Despite all that Rolls-Royce, probably has the greatest history of all out of the three…but that’s just it…history. I have seen some post saying that the new Bentley will be a “pimp” car…well the same could go for the Rolls-Royce. The Phantom has massive road presence and that is because of it’s size. Even though it may get the most attention out of the three doesn’t mean it’s the best car. Even though the Rolls-Royce has that “MOVE GET OUT THE WAY” face, it lacks the spirit of the old Rolls-Royce. The design lacks the emotion that is needed for a Rolls-Royce. The car has a straight forward look, there is nothing elegant about it. When all is said and done, it just moves down the street and a “Majestic Box”. I do believe that it a good showing by BMW, but it falls short of what a Rolls-Royce should really be – A car with emotion and designed with the highest level of sophistication.

3. The Bentley Mulsanne – We all hated to see the Arnage, but what a Glorious replacement we got. This car actually looks like something of British Royalty. Unlike the Phantom, it looks as though this car wasn’t cut out a cookie cutter. It looks as it should a masterpiece. Bentley really took there time with this car, yet you still feel that old world Bentley and it even feels as though the Arnage never left. Even though I have seen a lot of comments on the headlights it’s all a matter of taste. Bentley decided to be different and the front came out looking unique yet sophisticated. The entire shape of the car is excellent. It will really come down to when we get all the specs and a few more interior shots. On the other hand, from what I have seen so far the Bentley wins in my book.


Long live the new King!

Lastly, the Rolls-Royce Ghost is NOT a competitor to the Bentley Mulsanne ENI! This Bentley is compariable to Phantom and Maybach 57/62. The Ghost is on the level of the Flying Spur. To compare the Ghost to the likes of the Mulsanne is like comparing 5 series to the S600.

 

[Merc1]

Yes, Marcus. And you are the representative of all the rich people. Fair enough.

You won. I rest my case ...

If that means you're resting the nonsense, then good.



M

 

[Zafiro]

Gahhh!! Eni and Marcus............Get a room god damn it

 

[Merc1]

Then you have no clue at what Rolls-Royce and Bentley are as brands.

Bentley is more of a premium sporting character where the driver is principle whereas Rolls-Royce are seen as the quintessential luxury brand with character and status befitting the owner. The Mulsanne and Phantom are not direct rivals per se as the Phantom is more expensive.
Maybach is an example of the excess propelled by Wall St. and the Dot Com bubble sooner or later it had to burst.

And neither do you if you think tacky, overdone color schemes and special editions every month are Rolls-Royce. What does knowing what Rolls and Bentley are about have to do with him calling the car ugly and distasteful. I don't have to know what Rolls is about to know that this is pinky ring, open shirt, gold chain set color scheme. "Quintessential luxury" doesn't mean tacky and gaudy, or does it for the right amount of money?


M

 

[HighestOfHigh]

This is absolute foolishness! New Bentley comes out and the BMW team is sure to start bashing. Rolls-Royce is not a god, its overdressed BMW on steroids. The Bentley Mulsanne is actually something that looks like it keeps its heritage unlike Rolls-Royce.

Oh the cars headlights aren't the same size, who cares.

 

[HighestOfHigh]

This Phantom is made for different market and it doesn’t have to satisfy everyone but even nicest Bentley will remain pimp car anyway.

And so will Rolls-Royce -

 

[EnI]

If that means you're resting the nonsense, then good.
M

Whatever satisfies you best.

 

[bum-man]

Expected comment from one of the biggest BMW trolls on this forum.

So is this confirmation that the Rolls is just another BMW to you guys?
And no, I'm not a Troll as you say. If I was one I would repeatidly type my detest for the car which I've never done.

Ah yes, thanks for setting me straight Scott. I appreciate you taking the time and letting me know how to properly comment on a car such as this brilliant limited edition Rolls Royce (err BMW ).

 

[EnI]

HoH, you were convinced this Bentley would be the king way before the car was announced. Convinced by whom? Bentley / VAG marketing, of course.

To you Mulsanne can be the king, to me it is not.


*****

Again: even size-wise this car nowhere near Phantom.
It's almost 30cm (12") shorter than the SWB Phantom, and just 15cm (6") longer than the Ghost.
And I'm sure price-wise the car will also be positioned somewhere in between Rolls models.

Not to mention both Rolls interiors (Phantom & Ghost) have much more exquisite & exclusive design than the Mulsanne.

Maybe Bentley design & proportions are more elegant & understated - but with that funny face even that is debatable.

If this car goes directly on Phantom price-wise it will be a commercial suicide.

 

[Merc1]

This is absolute foolishness! New Bentley comes out and the BMW team is sure to start bashing. Rolls-Royce is not a god, its overdressed BMW on steroids. The Bentley Mulsanne is actually something that looks like it keeps its heritage unlike Rolls-Royce.

Oh the cars headlights aren't the same size, who cares.

It really is. Now we have to read all this BS about what a Rolls-Royce is, all done by the usual suspects. Some of them just can't stand to see another car get some attention, one that competes with a BMW Group product.

Now we have to read about how the Ghost is so unique when we all know damn well it sits on top of a modified 7-Series platform. The conclusions about the Mulsanne's interior have already been drawn, it is inferior to the Ghost. Snake oil anyone?


M

 

[EnI]

Rolls-Royce is not a god, its overdressed BMW on steroids. The Bentley Mulsanne is actually something that looks like it keeps its heritage unlike Rolls-Royce.

Sure, using Audi parts & flame-surfacing styling is definitely a part of Bentley heritage.

Under too much influence of those Grand Bentley films, perhaps?



PS: Can some mod really move all Bentley vs. RR stuff into that Phantom vs Mulsanne vs Maybach thread. Thanks.

 

[HighestOfHigh]

Eni,

I want you do me a favor. Close your eyes and think about the Phantom and Ghost riding down the street. You hear the sound of that wonderful BMW engine that you love so much. Both being driven to perfection. Everyone on the road is admiring it's grace and beauty. Now imagine that Mercedes-Benz is the one that really develops the car.


Now how do you feel about the Rolls-Royce now?

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Really it comes down to you being bias to BMW. There is nothing that makes the Phantom better then this car Nothing. Matter of fact we don't even know all the details yet. As far as dimensions go, the Phantom isn't even as big as the Maybach 62....So does that mean the Maybach 62 is better? No to mention design is really a matter of personal taste.

IMO there is NOTHING that makes the Phantom or Ghost look better then Bentley. Matter of fact the new Bentley IMO makes both look overweight and slow. If anything BMW was so busy trying to make them look different that they lost every bit of passion that they had. The Spirit of Ecstasy died when BMW started drawing the first sketch.

 

[EnI]

And Paris drives ... yeah, Bentley. A pink one as well (beside the silver & blue one).

Talk about "quintessential luxury" ...

I won't be surprised seeing her in a pink or golden Mulsanne next year ... Since she's such a great Bentley fan & promoter.

 

[HighestOfHigh]

Sure, using Audi parts & flame-surfacing styling is definitely a part of Bentley heritage.

Under too much influence of those Grand Bentley films, perhaps?



PS: Can some mod really move all Bentley vs. RR stuff into that Phantom vs Mulsanne vs Maybach thread. Thanks.

Lol...Oh so using BMW parts makes the RR more special then using Audi parts on a Bentley? Oh please.

 

[JadeVetti]

If the vote is on aesthetics alone, my vote is for the Rolls Royce. It has a majestic appearance that outweighs the other two. If cars had genders, the Rolls Royce is quite handsome, a description I can't use for many cars of today.

The Mulsanne looks regal, in a British bulldog sense. Are the lights something like Audi's? Dot lights (or whatever they are called) are now the trend.

I have a soft spot for the Maybach. It reminds of a Mercedes and if I had the funds to acquire any Benz model, this is the car I would look to. I wouldn't pay for a fully loaded S600 if money wasn't an option.

However, two of the three cars look like they must be chaffeured, and to be seen stepping out in any of these a person's eyes unconsciously slide to the back doors instead. The Mulsanne does not have that same effect on me. For now.

If I have to explain my vote on a poll, I can't vote at all. These three cars have different meanings to me.

 

[EnI]

@HoH

Yes, and you are the ultimate RR guru ...

Geez. RR brand was never so successful than in the times under BMW (and same case with Bentley under VAG). If Spirit of Ecstasy ever died - that happened in the 70s - 90s of the previous century - with cra..y products not worthy of RR brand. At that time MB Pullman 600 has better reputation than RR / Bentley cars.

But now the Spirit is back.

VAG went into more commercial ways with Bentley, while RR is staying highly exclusive.

As said: VAG has Bugatti brand as the shiniest jewel in the crown. way beyond Bentley, even above RR.

Regarding Bentley heritage ... Except from very beginning (till early 30s) Bentley was just a rebadged RR - a sporty alter ego of RR. So, don't talk about traditional Bentley design etc ...


So, Bentley heritage is RRs heritage ... And therefore Bentley styling cues will always be just a rip off from RR design.

VAG had a chance to rediscover Bentley design ... but they blew it away ... Just like Mercedes with Maybach. Which shows both companies are very underfed - design wise.

Bentley still looks like restyled RR, while Maybach is just a bigger rebadged MB.

Sad but true.

 

[ree]

[moderator mode off]

Could we please stop this "Rolls Royce is better then any other luxury car brand" discussion?! I hate that every time a new thread is started, "people" start to bash the new car that is shown because it doesn't have a BMW sign or anything like this…it's annoying - and I hate it to read it in every single thread. Fanboy excesses are quite okay, but not in this intensity and brand subjection…

Let's get back to the car and news now, and please stop this discussion about the better brand…especially since some people can't understand, that some members like the new Bentley more…if there is any need to bash this car (because it's just different to other Luxury brands), please use this thread:

http://www.germancarforum.com/internal-combustion/30397-maybach-vs-bentley-vs-rolls-royce-4.html

Thanks very much…

[moderator mode on]

 

[EnI]

[moderator mode off]

Could we please stop this "Rolls Royce is better then any other luxury car brand" discussion?! I hate that every time a new thread is started, "people" start to bash the new car that is shown because it doesn't have a BMW sign or anything like this…it's annoying - and I hate it to read it in every single thread. Fanboy excesses are quite okay, but not in this intensity and brand subjection…

Let's get back to the car and news now, and please stop this discussion about the better brand…especially since some people can't understand, that some members like the new Bentley more…

[moderator mode on]

You have the power ... move all the X vs Y posts into dedicated thread ... It's already open in Internal combustion section.

There's nothing wrong about such discussion - if it is going on in a proper thread.

In my mod times I was constantly cleaning the X vs Y stuff from "launch threads", and moving it into dedicated thread in Internal combustion section. Since there will always be cases like this one - going off topic with X vs Y stuff.




PS: I can't reply to a certain post there if it is here. If moved there - the discussion will certainly continue there.