M5 M5 mule = upcoming BMW Z6?


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Z6: BMW's Z8 for the masses?
Z8 successor aims for lower price, volume production



AutoWeek | Published 05/24/06, 9:25 am et

BMW is plotting a return to the high-end sports car market with a dramatically styled coupe and roadster aimed at providing the German carmaker with a rival to the hugely successful Mercedes-Benz SL.

Dubbed Z6, Munich’s latest flagship sports car is conceived as a follow-up to the high-priced and ultra-low-volume Z8, which saw production of just 5703 cars between 1999 and 2003. Z6 will be priced below the $130,000 Z8, and insiders say it will be produced in “considerable volumes.” The car will be built in Germany and will be a high-tech showcase for many of BMW’s latest innovations.

“It is not just a flash in the pan,” a source told AutoWeek at the launch of the Z4 M Coupe. “We’re looking at establishing a whole new model line.”

At least one full-size model of the new car reportedly exists at BMW’s research and development center in Munich, though the final design is still up in the air. The car will form part of a rumored three-strong Z-car lineup including a new entry-level Z2 and a successor to today’s Z4.

The two-seater is already developed to an advanced stage and enjoys strong support from the BMW board.

“A go-ahead is likely, provided BMW can find the necessary engineering capacity,” said the source.

Z6 will be about the same size as the existing 6 Series and will borrow mechanical components from both the 6 Series and the 5 Series. But while the 6 Series was conceived as a luxurious 2+2 GT, the Z6 is envisioned as a pure sports car.

Original reports suggested the Z6 may boast a mid-engine design, but BMW appears to have settled on a traditional front-engine format. The aim, according to one high-ranking insider, is to create a car that combines BMW’s traditional strengths of top-level performance, handling and quality with a raft of new innovations, including lightweight construction to provide it with strong levels of performance but also class-leading levels of economy and low-emission levels.
An M5 powertrain formed the basis of the Z8 supercar; look for lots of M5 and 6 Series hardware under the Z6 sports car.
Keen to avoid the criticism leveled at the Z8, with a design influenced by BMW’s legendary 507, the Z6 boasts a contemporary design with cues from the Z4. The highlight of the new sports car is its high-tech structure—a combination of aluminum space frame and steel unibody construction. BMW is planning to take this technique, pioneered on the 5 Series and 6 Series, one step further in a move aimed at bringing the Z6 to market at less than 3300 pounds.

Rather than using aluminum for the front end only, engineers are investigating using the material for the middle section as well. This should help to achieve a desired 50:50 front-to-rear weight distribution.

Unlike the Z8, which was sold exclusively with a 5.0-liter, 400-hp V8, Z6 will come with a range of engines. Sources suggest the lineup will likely kick off with the new 3.0-liter, twin-turbocharged inline six-cylinder, with a range-topping version packing Munich’s secret 4.4-liter, twin-turbocharged V8 and an updated version of the M5’s 5.0-liter V10.

Channeling drive to the rear wheels will be a new double-clutch sequential


Source: Autoweek
 
Re: M5 mule = Not Panamera?

Now Im confused, the blue M5 you posted in the other link might be a testing for a future BMW and not the Panamera as we thought in the beginning`?
 
Re: M5 mule = Not Panamera?

Just_me said:
Now Im confused, the blue M5 you posted in the other link might be a testing for a future BMW and not the Panamera as we thought in the beginning`?
Exactly. There is something fishy going on here. Hopefully Tine or Scott can say something about these mules.
 
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So... is the Z6 vaporware or is there reliable information to support this?
 
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bum-man said:
I smell M5 CSL. :D
Not going to happen considering the C in CSL stands for Coupe. But anyway, this definitely cought me off guard. So there might be 2 new Z series cars, a 2 series, X6 in the upcoming years. That seems like a lot of brand new cars rolling out of Munich.

The research and development center in Munich is the place to be :t-drive:
 
Re: M5 mule = Not Panamera?

I do not know what this M5 mule is. I doubt this mule is BMW's - not wearing Munich licence plates. BMW are developing some kind M5 "Competition Package" though (not CSL - CSL is for coups only!). But it could get the uptuned V10 engine from upcoming M6 CSL.

Also: yes, there is a Z8 successor on agenda (the name is not chosen yet: Z8, Z6 or 8er). It will be a top-end BMW coupe - with possible roadster / cabrio. Options: classic coupe, roadster with folding hard top (ala SL), or coupe + roadster (ala Z4). BMW Board of Management is very keen on repeating Z4 formula: coupe + roadster. But nothing yet decided.

This performance oriented super-car (2-seater, front engine, rear drive) will feature extreme light weight construction: aluminium body structure injected with structural foam that expands and offers greater rigidty and crash protection (also featured in upcoming E70 X5, upcoming E93 and upcoming 2er cabrio). This will make the car lighter than competition with carbon fibre panels (ala Corvette Z06). The car will be a flagship for BMW's technological achievements - including new DCT gearboxes. Marketing department is still dealing with an issue whether to offer top-end engines only (CSL V10 M & NGV12), or smaller (I6 turbo & NGV8 turbo) as well.

Coming (if) in 2010/11.
 
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EniLab said:
BMW are developing some kind M5 "Competition Package


this sound very very intresting, a competition package with improved suspension and more direct steering response. I hope its true :)
 
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Just_me said:
this sound very very intresting, a competition package with improved suspension and more direct steering response. I hope its true :)

Improved suspension and more direct steering repsonse could well be it, but then the simple question is asked. Why the over-flared wheel arches ? A competition package is too early as it is, and secondly, even if a competition package were to come, you surely wouldn't actually expect any body modifications, because firstly the current M5 wouldn't be too thrilled with BMW, and secondly, the simple increase in costs just to manufacture those body changes.
So I doubt it'll be a competition package. The Z6 test mule sounds like the most plausible explaination so far.
 
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BeeMer Boi said:
Improved suspension and more direct steering repsonse could well be it, but then the simple question is asked. Why the over-flared wheel arches ? A competition package is too early as it is, and secondly, even if a competition package were to come, you surely wouldn't actually expect any body modifications, because firstly the current M5 wouldn't be too thrilled with BMW, and secondly, the simple increase in costs just to manufacture those body changes.
So I doubt it'll be a competition package. The Z6 test mule sounds like the most plausible explaination so far.

it could be needed since E63 and soon the RS6 are here. And noone say those wheel arches is getting real and I hope not since it looks terrible.
 
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Top Secret said:
Why Z6? It sounds like it's categorically lower than the Z8.

Here's why...

Dubbed Z6, Munich’s latest flagship sports car is conceived as a follow-up to the high-priced and ultra-low-volume Z8, which saw production of just 5703 cars between 1999 and 2003. Z6 will be priced below the $130,000 Z8, and insiders say it will be produced in “considerable volumes.”

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Just_me said:
it could be needed since E63 and soon the RS6 are here. And noone say those wheel arches is getting real and I hope not since it looks terrible.

I agree it doesn't look good, very unproportionate!
But going back to the idea of a Competition Package. Yes those excessive wheel arches could just be there on the test mules but have nothing to do with the actual competition package, but then why even go to the effort of making those wheel arches and in the process attract spy-photo attention. Wouldn't it be easier and more secretive to simply use a normal M5 rather than this modified M5 which attracted this attention. Ok yes, it might just be a ploy by BMW to actually attract attention to hint that they are indeed going to offer and enhance M5... but I still don't really buy it.

Also, E63 and RS6... well, a Competition Package would only further improve the drivability of the M5 and track performance, but thinking honestly (without bias) the current M5 would be able to out-do the E63 on a track anyway, so I don't see the point in offering such a package. As for the RS6, well that's rumoured to have around 550hp, but most likely have a heavier mass, so I think the M5 might well be able to out-do the RS6 in track performance too (just my speculation).
Maybe BMW's creating a Competition Package to re-claim is relatively short-lived title of Fastest Sedan around Nordschliefe. I doubt BMW are that childish, they'll use the M3 to try and claim that title back.

Dunno what it really is... but I'm still sticking with the Z6 idea.. then you start to think, why not simply use the 6er Convertible or M6 as a test bed rather than an M5 ? ... What the heck is this car for??!!
 
Re: M5 mule = Not Panamera?

MB offer a so called peformance package for some of their models.

The 030 Performance Package:

-AMG front apron with larger cooling air intakes
-19" AMG multi-piece twin-spoke light alloy wheels
-(FR 8.5x19 ET 30 255/35R19 RR 9.5x19 ET 31 285/30R19)
-Vmax increased to 300kmh
-Multiple-disc LSD including reinforced final drive unit
-AMG Nurburgring sports suspension based on ABC
-Internally ventilated composite front brake discs (380mm x 36mm)
-Additional engine oil cooler

I hope BMW are working on a package for their M models, (like the M3 CS)
 
Re: M5 mule = Not Panamera?

BeeMer Boi said:
So I doubt it'll be a competition package. The Z6 test mule sounds like the most plausible explaination so far.

There will be some kind "Competition Package" for M5 - later in the M5's life cycle. But as I said (and you also are stressing) this mule is not BMW's - defenitely not M5 CP - to excessive body midifications. Also - all BMW mules wear Munich licence plates. This one doesn't.

Also: too early to test Z?. It is in early development phases. And expect it to be tested under 6er / M6 mules when / if it gets green light.

And: the name is not chosen yet.
 

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BMW M GmbH, formerly known as BMW Motorsport GmbH, is a subsidiary of BMW AG that manufactures high-performance luxury cars. BMW M ("M" for "motorsport") was initially created to facilitate BMW's racing program, which was very successful in the 1960s and 1970s. As time passed, BMW M began to supplement BMW's vehicle portfolio with specially modified higher trim models, for which they are now most known by the general public. These M-badged cars traditionally include modified engines, transmissions, suspensions, interior trims, aerodynamics, and exterior modifications to set them apart from their counterparts. All M models are tested and tuned at BMW's private facility at the Nürburgring racing circuit in Germany.
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