Koenigsegg - The most UNLOVED supercar/hypercar?

[slicknick]

Totally agree with your posts, while I admire everything he has done so far, we don't actually know much about the driving experience of the cars on the road, or know much about the quality of the customer cars, and the ownership experience.

Even though we do get to see occasional reviews on EVO? Top Gear magazine and so on, the mdeia coverage of their cars is fairly limited still

 

[LaArtist]

Here are the reasons.

1. The cars aren't special enough design wise
2. The location of the factory
3. the dodgy quality and comments like ¨our customers are more like test drivers they expect the car to break down¨
4. interiors are more than often disturbingly kit car like

and the big one!
5. they are a extremely bad investment, they sink in value like a submarine, one got sold at an auction for damn near quarter or less of the sticker. Story ended up with the factory buying back the car to save face.

People that buy cars in the 1million euro plus class expect them to be an investment, you can sell your Zonda for more than double the price today, same goes for lafers.

Why is there a bad resale value? read nr 1-4.
People are not interested more or less, and they are even less interested of buying one used.

I am amazed that they are still around, and also making a new car..

Someone in that company probably cVk has seriously deep pockets.

PS
I don't know what they can do to turn this around, they kind of have a bad name in that very exclusive market. i think they are set to be doomed sooner or later..

 

[LaArtist]

more or less the same price it was 9 years ago

http://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/d...e&makeModelVariant1.makeId=13450&pageNumber=1

compare that to this zonda ( the only one on sale i can find) 9 years old costs over 3 times are much as the list price.

http://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/d...d=C&makeModelVariant1.makeId=149&pageNumber=1

and here is an enzo cheapest one i could find, more than 2 times as expensive
http://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/d...600&makeModelVariant1.modelId=26&pageNumber=1

you get my point, and remember there are far less of the ksegg in the world than these 2 others above..
the demand is just not there.

 

[Monster]

Even though we do get to see occasional reviews on EVO? Top Gear magazine and so on, the mdeia coverage of their cars is fairly limited still

I remember Chris Harris did a review of the Agera and he came away with mix feelings about the car. But other than that road test, every other tests were done in a controlled environment within the factory or near the factory, or on the race track.

 

[slicknick]

I remember Chris Harris did a review of the Agera and he came away with mix feelings about the car.

Didn't he say something like "It's a far more rigorous engineering exercise than I expected.. I'm sorry I didn't take it more seriously", or something along those lines at the end?

 

[Porsche Guy]

5. they are a extremely bad investment, they sink in value like a submarine, one got sold at an auction for damn near quarter or less of the sticker. Story ended up with the factory buying back the car to save face.

People that buy cars in the 1million euro plus class expect them to be an investment, you can sell your Zonda for more than double the price today, same goes for lafers.

People who can legitimately spend $1+ million on a luxury good like a contemporary supercar aren't banking their retirement savings on the future value of the car. Cars are generally not good investments for a variety of reasons.

Koenigsegg gets plenty of love, especially considering they are a tiny independent manufacturer that produces a small number of wildly expensive cars. Outside of Pagani, I can't even name another manufacturer at that level.

 

[slicknick]

and the big one!
5. they are a extremely bad investment, they sink in value like a submarine, one got sold at an auction for damn near quarter or less of the sticker. Story ended up with the factory buying back the car to save face

Not sure if I had heard this one before... Any links? Thx

 

[slicknick]

Outside of Pagani, I can't even name another manufacturer at that level.

Yes,it's a part of VW but... Bugatti?

 

[sako97]

Chris Harris reviewed it in issue 158 of Evo back in 2012, if I'm not mistaken. Interestingly, the online article of the issue, where had mixed opinions, is no where to be seen on the EVO site.

 

[sako97]

Not sure if I had heard this one before... Any links? Thx

Half price:

http://www.dupontregistry.com/autos/listing/2008/koenigsegg/ccx/1426564

 

[Porsche Guy]

Yes,it's a part of VW but... Bugatti?

So it doesn't count and only furthers my point.

 

[KiwiRob]

But most Paganis look like a steampunk cosplayer on speed.

But you have to admire the craftmanship of Pagani, in comparisson the Koenigseggs have a distinctly kitcar feel to them, I've sat in the white one with the Thule roofbox, the coolest thing about the car was the roofbox, the interior quality wasn't what I would expect for the price. Another part of the problem is probably Christian himself, he's so dull and boring, completely lacking in carisma, which Horiatio has in spades, it's also Italian passion vs Swedish lagom.

I think the fact that the very first Koenigsegg looked rather crude and that it was powered by a Ford engine didn't really get people's heart rate racing. Pagani's Zonda was much more exotic looking both inside and out, plus it has a Mercedes engine in the back, which gave Pagani instant credibility.

I am amazed by the progress Koenigsegg has made so far, with its small operation and limited resources. They seem to be doing quite well lately, the Agera series has elevated Koenigsegg to the super car big league club.

The first prototype had an Audi V8, I'm not sure why they switched to Ford. The current engine still owes it's basic engineering to Ford.

 

[slicknick]

The first prototype had an Audi V8, I'm not sure why they switched to Ford. The current engine still owes it's basic engineering to Ford.

Not sure if I remember correctly, but if I do, Audi declined to supply engines to them

 

[Mr Robert]

No, if I wanted an onanist view, I would have gone for something else.

 

[LaArtist]

People who can legitimately spend $1+ million on a luxury good like a contemporary supercar aren't banking their retirement savings on the future value of the car. Cars are generally not good investments for a variety of reasons.

Koenigsegg gets plenty of love, especially considering they are a tiny independent manufacturer that produces a small number of wildly expensive cars. Outside of Pagani, I can't even name another manufacturer at that level.

Well you would be surprised how economic wealthy people are, they kind of get there by being economic. Or they go the floyd mayweather way by being supremely gifted in something.. and he owns a Ksegg 3 vita, a car that costs north of 3million usd, 3 million he will never see again, not that it matters to him.

The resale value talks volumes, what it says is that the kseggs are NOT hot on the market, the demand is luke warm at best.
And if you agree or disagree with me on the money/investment side of this, you must agree that hypercar owners have a large degree of wanting the best and most exclusive. And kseggs are just not! it is related to one an other, the price and the demand as always.

Some shy away cause its a black hole economically to buy one compared to the competition.
And others cause its just not the SHIT on the streets.

 

[slicknick]

No, if I wanted an onanist view, I would have gone for something else.

Are you, by chance, referring to the engine?

 

[slicknick]

Half price:

http://www.dupontregistry.com/autos/listing/2008/koenigsegg/ccx/1426564

To be fair (leaving the Agera-range out of this), the CCX was never really worth ~1.5 million USD

 

[tristatez28lt1]

Apart from all the informative points made earlier, I as much as LaArtist, really want to know where all the money is coming from.

 

[LaArtist]

Apart from all the informative points made earlier, I as much as LaArtist, really want to know where all the money is coming from.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Königsegg

And his dad owns some kind of energy company..

not saying thats where he gets the capital from, but it might be.

 

[klier]

But most Paganis look like a steampunk cosplayer on speed.

You stole my line