Kilcrohane's view of the Automotive Industry and Global Economy


I spoke to a Regional Forex Trading Head at a French bank in Hong Kong at the end of last year and he said his Bank just did a 5 year RMB hedge for Porsche. The amount is equivalent to 80% of their forecast import volume for the duration of the contract.

I think most importers have similar hedges in place. Most of them are protected against any large currency volatility.

I am the head of a trading division at a global investment bank in London and I agree with you. I am restricted by confidentiality agreements and insider trading laws from mentioning any of my clients trading activities outside of work otherwise I could tell you exactly who hedges what.

Most of what @Kilcrohane says is copy and paste nonsense from the zerohedge website which is where retail day traders hang out and post anonymous conspiracy theories and apocalyptic world views. These guys are angry because their short positions are constantly losing money and they need someone to blame for their failures (the government, the establishment, the British, statisticians, voters, car buyers, consumers, basically anyone but themselves). What these complete morons don't realise is that when the apocalypse comes and their positions finally show a paper profit there will be nobody around to pay them out. These guys need protection from their own stupidity!
 

And then there's this rant (in one single post) from last month against a moderator (@Monster):

The sooner this vile individual gets banned the better.

Now that he has his own thread, he has no excuses to post off topic material in every other threads as he pleases. As for Kilcrohane having a dig at me in the past, you saw my reply. He should know what comes next if he transgress the forum guidelines again. Like I said so many times before, you guys are adults, or we assume you guys to be, and we treat you like so, we respect every member's right to express their opinion. We have been as fair and impartial as we possibly be, however don't mistaken us for fools though.
 
I am the head of a trading division at a global investment bank in London and I agree with you. I am restricted by confidentiality agreements and insider trading laws from mentioning any of my clients trading activities outside of work otherwise I could tell you exactly who hedges what.

Most of what @Kilcrohane says is copy and paste nonsense from the zerohedge website which is where retail day traders hang out and post anonymous conspiracy theories and apocalyptic world views. These guys are angry because their short positions are constantly losing money and they need someone to blame for their failures (the government, the establishment, the British, statisticians, voters, car buyers, consumers, basically anyone but themselves). What these complete morons don't realise is that when the apocalypse comes and their positions finally show a paper profit there will be nobody around to pay them out. These guys need protection from their own stupidity!


Excellent stuff!! That certainly sheds light on a lot of what @Kilcrohane posts. The impression I get from his posts are that he's not an expert and doesn't really understand what he's writing, and IS just copying and pasting stuff from the internet, so it's good to see my suspicions more or less confirmed.
 
The company makes metal-cutting tools for engineering, aerospace and car firms, which it said were “not growing in the UK”.
http://www.birminghampost.co.uk/business/business-news/up-143-jobs-axed-sandvik-7029884

Great Swedish steel company Sandvik closes down cutting tool factory, literally just down the road from much hyped new engine plant for JLR.

Surely the boost from this new wonderful engine plant, requiring lots of cutting tools, and the fact that according to the official body of the automotive sector in the UK, the SMMT*, the UK automotive sector is at near record levels of output, then this renowned company should be benefiting greatly from all this mushrooming activity, rather than shutting up shop?! Something doesn't add up. I wonder what it could be? Lies and propaganda? Surely not!


Do you really think that people don't read what you link to. Sandvik closed down one small plant in the UK, yet they kept another 3 plants in the UK open, they (JLR) probably get their tools from one of those, or another supplier altogether.

Swedish parent company Sandvik has other production bases in Coventry, Halesowen and Stoke-on-Trent, and said they were unaffected.
 
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/motoring/subaru-brz-price-slashed-2500

'Subaru has cut £2500 off the price of a new BRZ sports car. The move is officially down to an improvement in the exchange rate between the pound and Japanese yen'
'an improvement'? you can say that again!: http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=GBP&to=JPY&view=2Y

the pound has risen 35%!!! against the yen in the last 2 years, and by 17% since last July alone.

Yes the Subaru is not selling well and needs a price cut to stimulate demand but thanks to the low yen they have leeway and more to do so without harming margins.

Compare that to makers of vehicles in the UK, exporting to Japan and elsewhere with a 'strong' pound. The rising pound is killing UK-based makers. Thanks to the run-up to the general election in April 2015, all spending taps will be opened fully to give the appearance of a buoyant economy, to buy votes for a deeply unpopular and sinking administration, whose only hope is to play the 'it's the economy, stupid!" card.

The pound will keep on rising as a result, hitting maybe £1=$1.80 and £1=€1.30 by the end of this year. This will deliver the 'feelgood factor' to the masses for their summer holiday spending but will drive countless exporters to the wall, just like the Lawson Boom of the late 1980s did and the more recent run up of the pound under Blair/Brown's administration over the 2003-2008 period. The cost of this artificial, consumption and imports-driven economic recovery will be borne on the backs of the productive, exporting sector of the British economy.
 
The pound will keep on rising as a result, hitting maybe £1=$1.80 and £1=€1.30 by the end of this year. This will deliver the 'feelgood factor' to the masses for their summer holiday spending

I spend 50% of the month in Holland, and 50% of the month in the UK and frequently move money between the countries, so I have a big interest in the exchange rate between the Pound and Euro. What is happening is nothing more than normal fluctuations and has no impact on people's everyday lives.

Compare that to makers of vehicles in the UK, exporting to Japan and elsewhere with a 'strong' pound. The rising pound is killing UK-based makers. Thanks to the run-up to the general election in April 2015, all spending taps will be opened fully to give the appearance of a buoyant economy, to buy votes for a deeply unpopular and sinking administration, whose only hope is to play the 'it's the economy, stupid!" card.

The pound will keep on rising as a result, hitting maybe £1=$1.80 and £1=€1.30 by the end of this year. This will deliver the 'feelgood factor' to the masses for their summer holiday spending but will drive countless exporters to the wall, just like the Lawson Boom of the late 1980s did and the more recent run up of the pound under Blair/Brown's administration over the 2003-2008 period. The cost of this artificial, consumption and imports-driven economic recovery will be borne on the backs of the productive, exporting sector of the British economy.


Only two months ago UK exports hit a record high, and well above estimates.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/10623863/British-exports-hit-record-high-in-2013.html

"The rise in exports was driven by a surge in sales of UK oil, chemicals and aircraft overseas, while imports fell largely due to lower purchases of aircraft and ships.

"December's trade figures brought the UK's total goods exports for the year to a record high of £304.3bn, up 1.3pc from £300.5bn in 2012."

"Britain's exports to countries both inside and outside the EU grew in December"

 
the exchange rate between the Pound and Euro. What is happening is nothing more than normal fluctuations and has no impact on people's everyday lives.

really? An 8% rise in the value of the pound against the euro in less than 9 months(and 15% rise since 2009), has no impact, say on a company making cars in UK exporting to mainland Europe, like say Honda, who have just massively scaled back production in Swindon, probably due to the wafer-thin margins in Civic-class cars, of typically less than 5%, being completely wiped out by the change in the pound/euro exchange rate in the last year or so?

http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=GBP&to=EUR&view=1Y

And why would BMW's MINI be so anxious to move production to Holland, if their Oxford base was so advantageous?

And why would GM Europe have not confirmed 100% yet as to whether Ellesmere Port will get a large slice of the new 2016 Astra's production? With the rise of the pound GM's Detroit accountants will be pushing for maximum production in Gliwice, Poland, then Ruesselsheim, Germany and a remote last Ellesmere Port, unless they can blackmail the UK govt. to provide tens if not hundreds of millions of tax pounds 'sweeteners', less the plant be closed on uneconomic cost grounds.

The rise of the pound, and the huge fluctuations of fx rates going on generally, is a massive factor, one being ignored by the UK press, for obvious reasons, but almost daily now it is cropping up literally on the bottom line. After Ford's Q1 profits were impacted by the devaluations ongoing in South America, VW reports today that its profits have been hit by the devaluation of the ruble:

http://europe.autonews.com/article/...arter-profit-jumps-22-boosted-by-audi-porsche

'Profit was hit by negative exchange rate trends, especially in South America and Russia'
Now Russia is important. JLR has in no small part been saved over the 2009-2013 period by the boom in SUV sales in oil-rich Russia. Now look at this graph: http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=GBP&to=RUB&view=5Y

The pound has risen by one-third! against the ruble in just over a year! I know that there are huge profit margins in things like Range Rover Sports and X5 Ms and the like, but even so, a rise of this size has to end up on the bottom line, as it has with VW Group already, meaning either JLR accepts much lower margins in its Russia business or it hikes prices to protect its margins, meaning fewer sales; i.e., it's a lose/lose position.

This IS happening behind the scenes, and JLR especially will be being screwed to the floor right now by the pound's huge, unwarranted and perverse rise, given the UK's underlying true economic position.

It will eventually come out, just like it did for John Egan's Jaguar Cars in 1988, when the pound went mad against the US dollar, and the run up of the pound in the second half of the 1990s(again on the back of a UK 'housing recovery'), against the Deutschmark(/euro) from around £1 : DM2.2 to £1 : DM3, which contributed decisively to BMW ditching Rover Group, and with the certain to follow calls from the CBI, Institute of Directors, Chambers of Commerce etc. within months now, for help with the 'strong pound', i.e. no interest rate rises ever, and more money printing, 'QE', to debase the currency further, to drive down its exchange value.
 
really? An 8% rise in the value of the pound against the euro in less than 9 months(and 15% rise since 2009), has no impact, say on a company making cars in UK exporting to mainland Europe, like say Honda, who have just massively scaled back production in Swindon

2009 was an unusal trough, so a 15% rise since then means nothing. It's now back to normal.

I once again repeat my post above. UK exports are at a record high. Why is that the case if the strong Pound is harming exports?


Only two months ago UK exports hit a record high, and well above estimates.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/10623863/British-exports-hit-record-high-in-2013.html
"The rise in exports was driven by a surge in sales of UK oil, chemicals and aircraft overseas, while imports fell largely due to lower purchases of aircraft and ships.

"December's trade figures brought the UK's total goods exports for the year to a record high of £304.3bn, up 1.3pc from £300.5bn in 2012."

"Britain's exports to countries both inside and outside the EU grew in December"



And why would BMW's MINI be so anxious to move production to Holland, if their Oxford base was so advantageous?

There are many, many reasons, of which currency exchange rates are just one. Do you honestly think BMW would make such a huge decision and move production to Holland based on fluctuating exchange rates? Do you not think BMW have very clever analysts who know about these things? Do you think YOU are the only one privvy to the information that the "spike" in the value of the Pound is a short term one and it will fall again next year, and yet BMW aren't aware of this?


Your sixth-form economics are really quite laughable. Even I can see that. You come on here quoting allsorts that you've copied from the internet and trying to pass yourself off as an expert when clearly you know very little. @ACE has already confirmed that.
 
Just briefly chiming in with a bit of trivia regarding automobile manufacturers' involvement in the FOREX markets:

Who recalls the VW foreign exchange "hedgulation" scandal of the late 1980s' ?
 
^ not me.

there's that currency thing again - the one that uber-arrogant masters of the universe money men say they can wish away with 'hedging', no doubt for a tiny fee:

'Der Umsatz stieg trotz negativer Währungseffekte um 13 Prozent auf 29,5 Milliarden Euro.'

http://www.automobilwoche.de/articl...imler-verdoppelt-ergebnis-nahezu#.U2C9icZpzxB

But of course JLR will be immune to such dreary currency issues, because they are, well, JLR, special, and have the full panoply of experts in the nearby City of London to work with to overcome such ridiculous matters anyway.
 
oops!: 'Pound hits four-year high as US economy 'freezes'

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...its-four-year-high-as-US-economy-freezes.html

British pound hit $1.69 today, off the back of 3.2% annualised increase in UK GDP and stagnation in the US economy.

Yesterday I said the pound would reach $1.80 by year-end if the UK continues pumping out the propaganda about its miracle economy. This level now looks conservative.

$1.80 and higher would mean absolute disaster for UK exporters, and would be a re-run of the late 1980s disaster, caused by Chancellor Lawson's boom, which claimed Jaguar Cars, and the huge run up in the pound from 2003-7, which saw a further massive shakeout of UK manufacturing, under Chancellor Gordon Brown.

The UK, and its exporters, like JLR in particular, are being hoist by their own petard.
 
@Kilcrohane

You also said to run from the U.S. dollar and embrace the ruble and yuan as I recall.

And here he says the Japanese are f***ed cause "The Japs are hanging on merely through the massive devaluation". And the British are f***ed cause the pound is going up (and of course their cars run on baby blood). So you are f***ed if your currency goes up, you are f#cked if it goes down. Of course the US is way past f***ed, so is China. And Russia and India. In his world, if you are not from ze Fatherland, as well just fall off the surface of ze earth. I don't know, may be he will convince ze Germans to fix ze world once again...
 
Reading @Kilcrohane's sixth-form understanding of politics and cod-economics, I'm starting to believe he's not an ex-JLR employee, but is in fact head of fiscal policy of a major political party.
 
@Kilcrohane

You also said to run from the U.S. dollar and embrace the ruble and yuan as I recall.

- er, but the dollar is down - do keep up. Thanks to Global Warming the US economy froze in Q1, meaning the US Fed will have to 'taper the Taper', whatever it says now. "QE for Bankers" has caused the US economy to become a Third World economy of 0.01% Super Rich and a huge welfare dependent underclass, and QE to infinity is the only cure on offer, until full dollar collapse.

The ruble is connected to that small thing of Ukraine, nothing to do with Russia's real economy. The possibilty of WW3 tends to take precedence over interest rates and such like - do keep up.

The yuan is being deliberately held down at the moment by the PBOC, to help China's massive export sector. Its real value is way above the current level. Like Japan and its attempt to kickstart its economy by massive money printing and devaluation of the yen, the Chinese will have to let the yuan go higher, as imported inflation through a devalued yuan will affect the population mass, and the Chinese, unlike Americans and Britons, are not averse to rioting when the price of staples rise.
 
BMW Q1 results: sales up 9% but turnover only 4%, due to "ungünstige Wechselkurse", i.e., the strong euro/weak dollar, yuan etc..

http://www.automobilwoche.de/articl...rascht-mit-starkem-jahresauftakt#.U2if08ZpzxA

But I'm sure JLR will once again insist they are the exception that proves the rule, where a maker with no meaningful overseas production - the Chery/JLR JV always seems to be 12 mths away - and producing in a country where the currency is going mad, will have no impact on the bottom line.

In reality though, this is going to end with an almighty bang, far, far worse than 1988 and 2008:

'The pound sterling starts Tuesday on the front-foot against most major currencies; strong gains against the US dollar are of particular interest.'​

http://www.poundsterlinglive.com/gb...nd-sterling-gbp-exchange-rate-outlook-8843534
 
I think all we can hope for now is that the comet comes close enough for us to evacuate before the end. Get the punch ready!:wideyed:
 
this is totally sustainable - right?:

http://www.clever-tanken.de/statistik/europapreise

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thanks to its "world-leading economic recovery", the UK now has the highest diesel price in Europe, if one excludes the non-EU and fossil fuel taxing to death Norway.

The above graph is slightly out of date, with the British pound rising so fast of late. Right now a litre of diesel in UK is £1.37 on average, and the pound is now at £1:€1.22, making a litre just over €1.67 equivalent, or 27 cents more than the European average and over 35 cents more compared to just over the Channel in France for instance.

Diesel is the fuel of transport and commerce. A 20-25% difference in the price of diesel between the UK and the rest of Europe is not sustainable, for economic competitiveness. Either the price of fuel in the UK must fall markedly and rapidly, which it won't, due to the greed of the UK govt's tax-take and oil companies' profits, or the British pound must devalue by around 25%, which again will not happen voluntarily due to the need of the UK elites to preserve the mirage of economic prosperity, reflected in a 'strong pound'.

Car makers in Europe will be driven to move more and more production away from UK and into Europe, especially eastern Europe, not only by the grossly overvalued pound but also by the grossly overpriced cost of diesel fuel, which drives up the costs of production.

If it was ever possible to predict a car crash before it happened then the UK economy of 2014 and its posterchild, the in-UK-producing JLR, now used regularly and deliberately by the UK's prime minister to herald "Britain Winning", is it.
 

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