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Opinion Kilcrohane's view of the Automotive Industry and Global Economy. Part Deux.


If you've interacted with the NHS with any kind of regularity you'll probably have seen enough to know that whilst the horror stories aren't true across the board they aren't just fiction either. The article does appear to be written to rile the emotions without offering any evidence (and no doubt promote the author's book sales), but it is a problem we need to face up to in the UK. I can testify first hand how bad my GP has been in the past, and also how long the waits in A&E have been in the past. I can testify that my family considered action against the NHS for negligence surrounding my Mum's death in 2020. I can also say that I've no problem with clapping for nurses. At the points in my life when I've been facing severe personal pain or anguish, all the ones I've met have been spot on, it's not their fault the system is failing. As someone that profits from the NHS, it's more likely to be mine!



It's simply an off-shoot of how funding is allocated to surgeries. If you increase their workload by up to 100,000,000+ jabs, there's going to be a cost that needs to be covered and allocated accordingly. My GP ****ed off to play golf three days a week...

...but that was 15 years ago. Bugger all to do with Covid jabs.



Has no axe to grind? Does not need the shekels?

He literally became a red-top columinst and agony aunt after being a GP, is not only a Covid denier, but also an AIDS denier, suggests that kids with Autism should be "stuck up to their necks in a vat full of warm sewage for 10 hours" to lean some manners, and also had an injunction from the High Court after threatening to publish the home address of someone who's views he disagreed with, that had already been sent one letter bomb by a group that had already murdered 3 people with another letter bomb. He also parrots unsourced claims about how impressed with him everyone is, the first of which I checked out literally was praising one of the fiction books he's written, not his scientific or medical opinions!

If you discern that as a quality source I'm surprised you're not an avid Johnsonite.

More seriously though, try and keep the rants properly on the subject of the thread. It was after all created so you could disclose your own perspective on JLR, without dragging a more focused thread off topic. Once you start going on about the 'Plandemic', your posts are likely to be moved elsewhere... and I'm pretty sure I know how that one ends already.
Thanks for the Wikipedia excerpt - I can read.

Obviously it's too much to be red-pilled about the C thing, and the V thing, and plenty else. Fine. As I said to my own quacks sister and niece, if you need to tell yourself those things, to justify the things you do, that's your business, and between you and your maker, when it's all over.

The point was, I think, I was making all this up - 'klier'.

You also as much as said the same with the JLR stuff - 'I have no way of knowing if anything you say is true.... ', etc.

Again, fine, Whatever it takes to tell yourself to get through the day, and give you peace of mind.

I'll lay it out, no problem - the JLR stuff, and anything else you want, NHS, CAGW, ....whatever.

But, I shan't bother if it's just scattering seed on stony ground. Which is the case here, let's face it.

Saying JLR is a basketcase is hardly heretical, but is here.
 
Shows how bust UK Exchequer really is:


- this was sneaked out. One minute the Tories and Carrie Antoinette's charge, 'Boris' are telling the world how Green they are, the next they pull the already reduced to almost nothing incentive to buy an EV.

Doesn't add up - except that Sunak, or rather Treasury officials, are in total panic mode - slashing whatever spending they can(get away with), and repelling all borders who demand more than the ridiculous 5p cut in fuel duty(tax) be multiplied, with the price of a litre having rocketed by around 50p in the last 5 months,

This will save at most around £200m/yr. Chickenfeed, ~0.1%, when UK GDP is north of £2tn - supposedly, allegedly... .

The truth is that £200m is vital, as it's real cash, just like it's vital the £bns coming from fuel duty and VAT - real cash.

Sunak knows f all. But, the old hands at the Treasury and the BoE know that the £ is on the cusp of being a third world country currency. They're pulling out all the stops to try to prevent it sliding over the edge, into the abyss. This - the PiCG axing thing - is really an emergency measure, but not even properly announced to the plebs, and of course none of HM Press delving into what's really going on, why the suddenness, no trailing, illogicality, when we're supposed to be Green, 'Fighting CO2' etc, and other simple-minded bollox, aimed at the plebs.

No, as usual, the reptiles in the media just dutifully copy and paste the .Gov press release, and get back to staring into their phone, after this 'work'. Which explains why our '£2tn GDP' is a lie, that a five year old would see through.
At least the bik rate for EVs and ICE cars is capped until 2025. Good for fleet or business EV owners.
 
Thanks for the Wikipedia excerpt - I can read.

Right, so, two scenarios. First; you read it before and decided it was a still the source for a discerning free thinker (like yourself) or that the words simply fitted the narrative you want to promote. Or, Second; it wasn't until you were pulled up on it did you check, at which point, too late, you'd already doubled down on it being an intellectual source to post...

red-pilled

Oh brother, here we go....

You also as much as said the same with the JLR stuff - 'I have no way of knowing if anything you say is true.... ', etc.

Quote me.

Saying JLR is a basketcase is hardly heretical, but is here.

Okay, let me lay this out of for you. I specifically asked if you were a JLR employee to learn if you were stating first hand information or observations, or if you were parroting stuff you'd read, watched or heard, of other peoples opinions. Mostly, so I could contrast what you were saying with I heard from a specific JLR employee. And before you go trying to perpetuate the notion that I've been inferring you are generally lying... this is the post I made in the moderators section when were deciding whether or not to split the topic.

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.. the other mods can attest to this, if you believe me to be generating some kind of propaganda.

So... leave this false equivalency pretense at the door. You're getting challenged for spouting off about Covid, not because you've got a beef with JLR. And we already have a thread for Covid deniers and RFK fans.
 
And before you go trying to perpetuate the notion that I've been inferring you are generally lying... this is the post I made in the moderators section when were deciding whether or not to split the topic.

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.. the other mods can attest to this, if you believe me to be generating some kind of propaganda.
I can confirm, that Matski, did indeed post the above content. The blurred sections of the comment are various dick picks of him, taken with 10' intervals.
 
Riddle me this - why are 'very poor' 'refugees'/'asylum seekers' paying £thousands/tens of £thousands, to traffickers, to come to a country where a gallon(imperial) of fuel costs ~$10-10.50 equivalent, when in some of the countries they come from it costs:

Venezuela 8.8 cents a gallon
Libya 12.4 cents a gallon
Iran 21.2 cents a gallon
Syria $1.14 a gallon.

Algeria $1.26 a gallon
Kuwait $1.37 a gallon.
Angola $1.49 a gallon
Nigeria $1.66 a gallon
Turkmenistan("Afghans") $1.71 a gallon

Malaysia $1.84 a gallon.
Kazakhstan $1.92 a gallon

Hmm.

Could it be... ...wild guess... ...our no-questions-asked benefits(UC and Housing the 2 main ones), health, and economic - black economy - systems?

In France by contrast, and most of western Europe, if you apply for asylum you cannot work, and cannot claim benefits, I believe for minimum 6 months. But in good old UK, the world's your oyster, from day one - from the funds paid in by indigenous Brits, for up to 40 years - suckers.

And people wonder why:

a) the UK population is one of the fastest growing in the world, and
b) the £, totally unrelated of course, is screwed.
 
Riddle me this

I gotta hand it to you, linking immigration to the thread title versus how appalling our fuel prices are is... something.

Could it be... ...wild guess... ...our no-questions-asked benefits(UC and Housing the 2 main ones), health, and economic - black economy - systems?

Could be. Could also be they don't give a f#ck about fuel prices because they don't anticipate running a car.

b) the £, totally unrelated of course, is screwed.

I'm sure you're smart enough to know immigration was a red herring during Brexit... but since you're so concerned about the value of the currency... € and $ rate overlaid.

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The currency hasn't recovered from people thinking 72 million Turks and Syrians were going to move here.
 
Finally, news. JLR is going into the museum and travel businesses:

“We will now start to curate the journey from here until 2024... "


- or maybe some bot/deep fake has pranked Fowler at Auto Excrete, and come up with a word salad based on hip, current management-speak BS.

Back in the real world, the iX is the fourth best-selling EV in Norway, fifth best-selling this year, and the i4 also picking up speed.

All the management and PR BS in the world can't hide the fact that JLR is EV-less, hence sale-less, hence hope-less.

Selling 10-15 mpg(US) behemoths in a dizzying 'variety' of the same car - ~5m, ~2.5 tonnes, ~$/£100k, - when fuel is $7-10+/gal(imp.), and everyone with money and wanting to fit in buys an EV - hence the astonishing performance of the iX - is painfully obvious to everyone but the biggest JLR cheerleader/paid shill

Even Tata seems to have lost interest.
 
See, some kind of genuine JLR news, and no one wants to discuss it. Everyone's tired of, or simply forgotten about JLR. Even Tata.

JLR is the 'Boris' Johnson of the motor world - banging on about how fantastic everything is, what amazing plans they have, right up until someone comes along and fires a bolt into their heads and lugs them off to the glue factory.
 
Can it get worse for (EV-less)JLR?:

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Bullish for the £ - not:


If the BoE doesn't raise more than 25 basis points tomorrow, the £ is toast.

Good for JLR $ profits - but that assumes they sell any 10-15 mpg cars in the USA with gas at $7/gal in SoCal - where 50% of JLR 'US' sales are.

£:$ Parity by the summer hols - in time for all those Brits going to Disney World?

Rail strikes, other strikes, fuel blockades/protests, Spaffer clinging on by his fingernails/constitutional crisis - how do you remove a scummy criminal PM - tariffs on Brit goods from the EU, Scotland threatening to take its ball and oil/gas away - could be sub-parity by August.

And that would mean £2+/litre fuel, and probably nat gas price doubling again - as Nord Stream is conveniently throttled, and LNG shipments to UK/Europe seem to be slow arriving - convenient.

Why would anyone want to buy a car in this environment, unless you're basically given a free one, or paid to own it, as with high-end EVs in the UK - 'bought through the company'?
 
When Russian gas was limited in supply through sanctions the countries who stopped buying didn't take into account the lack of LNG shipping capacity in the world, most vessels are built for a specific contract and are already in use, the amount of gas that needs shipping is many times the capacity of the LNG fleet, one of the largest owners of LNG carriers is SCF, they have idle vessels but they won't contract them for US to EU shipments. An LNG carrier takes about 18 months to 2 years to build, they are very complicated and expensive vessels to build.
 
JLR Poleaxed - by real, non-just a PR entity, car company - Swedish engineers, Chinese deep pockets. JLR/Tata neither.

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that Polestar 3 is the Goodight Vienna for any hope of JLR hanging on till 2024 - was never going to happen anyway - it'll exist, as Too Important to Fail(key propaganda tool) for the UK Regime, but it'll be Castle Brom&Jag now - de facto closed/finished - across the whole company.
 
Notice how low, tear-dropped the roofs, height of these cars are - 'SUV' etc?

You have to do that to get decent, real-world range - minimum 300 miles.

And this is JLR's problem also. Just putting an ~120 kWh battery into a Full-fat, does not get you that. It's frontal area is too much, and its real Cd, whatever JLR-Media will say - I'll bet ~0.26 - too high - real, 0.3+ - rising to ~0.35, with the obligatory 22/23" wheels, and 300 ml wide tyres.

Buyers of the 2025MY BEV Full-fat will be told its range is 350-400 miles, from its giant battery pack. But, just like the 2018 I-Pace, with its claimed, verified, certified by HM Govt, of 298 miles, it will, be a lie - fraud.

Like the 'Gamechanging I-Pace' - Cropley and co. - it will real-world at around 60% of that.

If JLR want real, genuine 300 miles range, it needs to lop off the Full-fat's roof. But, the whole point of the Full-fat, and its badge-engineered sisters, Defender, RRSport, is to lord it over the peasants - which you can't do, with a ride height of only ~200 mm, and a roof height of ~1.65 metres.

Aerodynamics, from mandating EV, has signed the death warrant of these brick, behemoth things. Yeah, we know GM will sell you an even worse EV Hummer, but that thing will sell - genuinely - after all the hype dies down, people realise driving on the highway means real range of <200 miles, of a few thousand a year - toys for aging petrolheads.

JLR can't afford to get into that game - the EV Hummer, Rivian R1T and the like game - real, steady-state sales of genuine no more than 10,000/yr.

The F-150 Lightning is similar, but can be bought for much less in the smaller pack, base spec variants. Again, once people realise the true range, of well under 200 miles for the smaller pack, when driving at 65-75 mph, they'll soon get over the hype.

EVs only work if you swallow the compromise - flat, tapering roofs, compromised headroom/internal space.

An X5 craps all over the iX in terms of space utilisation and basic utility. But the iX is the best out there - of EV 'SUVs' - basically slightly higher-riding estates - due to the requirements of Cd*A for EVs.

The 1930s was interesting for air-streamed cars, but who wants to ride in such a car - a cramped Beetle, Chrysler Airflow and the like, Once gasoline got cheap, and the ordinary guy got some money post-war, cars became massive, tall, and brick-shaped - tanks.

The Full-fat/Defender/RRSport, is a tank. It does not lend itself to EV. If you make it 'EV', you lose the point of it.
 
Like the 'Gamechanging I-Pace' - Cropley and co. - it will real-world at around 60% of that.
In defence of the I-Pace it's a surprisingly fun and capable car to hoon in tight bends. I did it at Millbrook. The suspension is taut but not uncomfortable.

However it lacks emotion. I am surprised to learn that JLR wants to take jaguar brand upmarket. With years of putting Range Rover above Land Rover and Jaguar, it will take years 3-5 to change the perception that car buyers have of Jaguar.
 
I am surprised to learn that JLR wants to take jaguar brand upmarket. With years of putting Range Rover above Land Rover and Jaguar, it will take years 3-5 to change the perception that car buyers have of Jaguar.
Fair point.

Jag's heyday, 50s to 70s, was a bargain luxury, performance car. Bentley was for the nobs, the truly rich, and the odd prof. of medicine - the caricature of Professor Spratt in the Carry On Doctor films, was true.

The Jag was for the up-and-comer, the thrusting, self-made man.

It's academic anyway. There's not a cat in hell's chance of Jag, or JLR, being around in 2025.

The car market will massively polarise - massive makers like VAG, Toyota, the Chinese, and ultra-luxury - 'plebs and plutocrats'.

Tata wants JLR to be one of the plutocrats. Fat chance. To be a maker of £200k+ cars takes £billions of hard cash - Bentley and Rolls-Royce getting their EVs from their parents.
 

- they, HM Press/Media, are scared to death of actually discussing the elephant in the room - Jag AND JLR dead - now 6 years - so come out with barely sixth-form stuff like this, which you could knock up in under 30 minutes, on a Sunday evening, after a few drinks.

Still. at least he 'goes there' - somewhere in the vicinity. Whereas 'top-top' journos and analysts, like Cropley, Holloway, Kacher, and the BBC's go-to, rent-a-gob on all things motor industry and 'academia', David Bailey, have apparently all become trappist monks - at least on the pay packet-, pension pot-threatening subject of JLR.

The point about Jag/JLR, as I've made clear here recently, and for years previously elsewhere, is that Bollore pulled the plug on the Fraud-fest of the Speth era - huge self-registering - 'sales'. I doubt he did that because he's a very nice man, but rather that a joke's a joke, and there was a faint chance of someone blowing the whistle, and collars being felt, or just the bad PR that would result from 'JLR Sales-Fraud Shocker' - FCA on acid.

Rutherford probably knows that anyone following UK car sales has seen Jag and JLR fall precipitously, and just staying shtum, hoping it goes away, is not the smartest thing to do. So, he 'goes there', but distracts, completely, by coming up with this nonsense.

The real story is Jag and JLR's collapse - now officially - rather than the actual, which began in 2015/'16, and has only persisted, and got progressively worse, since.

It should be front page news, not just the Business section. It's the same as the collapse of BL in the late 70s/early 80s - which was nightly, headlining news on the BBC, ITN News at Ten etc, and all the red-top rags - 'Red Robbo' etc

Now, crickets. Wonder why? - rhetorical.

UK in 2022 is an unrecognisably different place to UK 1979. UK was a collapsing/collapsed sh!thole then, and is now more - except totally collapsed - BUT, it is now 'PR-UK' - everything is PR'ed - i.e., lied about, covered up, spun - the public told black is white, up is down, JLR is a stunning success, world-beater, maker of serial cars of the year/game-changers, etc

Rutherford is in his dotage - past it - having a bit of fun. But is the collapse of UK's only carmaker of note - foreign owned of course - a p!ss taking matter? I don't think so. Like Spaffer and the Oxbridge SpAds at No.10/Whitehall, 'They' all think it's a big joke - an excuse to open another bottle of wine, have a party, when the plebs have no real work - 'Services' - made up jobs, or doing each other's domestic chores - child-care, cleaning, food delivery, etc.

It's a sh!t-show. We're led by p!ssed up, coked up clowns, good for nothing, never done a real day's work in their useless lives.
 
they, HM Press/Media, are scared to death of actually discussing the elephant in the room - Jag AND JLR dead - now 6 years - so come out with barely sixth-form stuff like this, which you could knock up in under 30 minutes, on a Sunday evening, after a few drinks.
Good point. The telling of Jaguar's fate is that the media tends to speak about it'd history rather than its present cars.

With that bring said, from 2021 the updated cabins look absolutely lovely but its too little too late. The Germans are too competitive and choice of cars with practical luxuries is now very wide.

I wouldn't mind driving a new Jag but except for the SVR variants, there are no strong arguments for buying a Jag over other alternatives.
 
I don't like electric cars. Yes they may be fast in a drag race, but they are frustrating slow in the real world, because no matter how hard the industry tries, they will never be able to make a battery with the same energy density of a fossil fuel that can be poured into a tank in a matter of few minutes. And battery swaps is yet another of many broken promises by Saint Elon.

Hybrids are a much better alternative.
 

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