Is a TT-RS really that quick or worth the cost?

[footie]

Is a TT-RS worth the extra expense over a Scirocco R?

You be the judge.

Audi TTRS (340hp) Lap time = 2:37.9

VW Scirocco R Lap time = 2:47.1



The TT-RS is a seriously quick little coupe and if you think that wasn't a fair contest then here's a similarly powered Z4 3.5is for good measure.

BMW Z4 3.5is (340hp) Lap time = 2:44.2


If BMW view the TT-RS as a main rival to the 1M then it will need to be quite special to post a better time.

 

[Zafiro]

In real world I never do track driving. Price difference between a Scirrocco R and TT-RS is high, at least in Sweden. So no I dont think its worth the extra costs. Dont forget Golf R, its roomier, more practical and just as fun on normal roads.

Again, BMW main rival is RS3 and not the TT. Z4 is a rival to TT. But the downside with Z4 compare to TT, its a much heavier car, unfortunaly. I wish Z4 came with a fixed roof, it would increase the overall performance a lot + add a mechanical diff like the one in M3.

 

[footie]

In real world I never do track driving. So yes TT-RS isnt worth the extra cost over a Golf R. Golf is roomier, practical and more comfortable and probably just as fun.

The Golf R wasn't mentioned, only the Scirocco R which is probably the closest thing to the TT in application.

Again, BMW main rival is RS3 and not the TT. Z4 is a rival to TT but much heavier, unfortunaly. I wish Z4 came with a fixed roof, it would increase the performance a lot.

Sorry but according to BMW UK the RS3 isn't on it's radar, only the TT-RS and Cayman S which they list on their webpage as rivals to compare stats with. So like I said, the 1M will need to be quite special to beat that time.

 

[Zafiro]

The Golf R wasn't mentioned, only the Scirocco R which is probably the closest thing to the TT in application.



Sorry but according to BMW UK the RS3 isn't on it's radar, only the TT-RS and Cayman S which they list on their webpage as rivals to compare stats with. So like I said, the 1M will need to be quite special to beat that time.

I edited my first post since I misread.

UK this and that. I havent seen anything coming from BMW saying that TT-TS is the main rival. Sound to me UK BMW are retarded and decide on their own who the main rivals are I dont find anything on BMW Sweden that TT-Rs is the main rival. I dont find anything at BMW USA either.

 

[Sunny]

Ah, I see you already spewing your stupid anti 1M crap...Give it a rest. No one cares if it is little slower/faster as long as it is more fun and engaging to drive. Not to mention it will be way more affordable. 1M is already cheaper than TTS coupe here... $46,200 vs $47000).

And Z4 is vs TT RS coupe? can you be more lop sided? Why not compare it to TT RS roadster.

Hockenheim Short TT RS roadster 1:16.48 Z4 is: 1:16.10
Sachsenring TT RS roadster: 1:42.07 Z4 is: 1:45.45 (plain Z4 did it it it 1:43 something, so probably bad day/car whatever)

 

[as7920]

Do I recall Scott saying that M division extensively drove the TT-RS and Cayman during the development of the 1M?

 

[Zafiro]

Do I recall Scott saying that M division extensively drove the TT-RS and Cayman during the development of the 1M?

No I dont recall it. Dont forget, Scott says a lot and its not always correct. If the RS3 existed during the test-time they would have that one as well to compare with. But how is that possible when RS3 wasn't available. And comparing to a Cayman is a joke. Mid-engine, lower weight and lower center of gravity, how is it possible to match such car with 1-series is beyond me. Heck, 1M isnt a true sportscar like the Cayman.

 

[as7920]

My bad, he suggested this on another forum and that they also evaluated other cars from Ford and Renault.

I wouldn't say they were necessarily direct competition but surely they would look at models that potential 1M customers would also consider.

For example, I have a deposit for 1M but am also looking at a 1 year old TT-RS, used M3, Golf R and Scirrocco R.

As you say had the RS3 been around during development they would have evaluated that too.

Re Cayman, if I didn't have two young children, I would drop the 1M in a heartbeat and get a used Cayman S, but I need the rear seats.

 

[Zafiro]

Of course all carmakers use other cars during the development of a car. If they use Ford and Renaults then they are main rivals too.
Only way to be equal or better than a TT-RS or a Cayman is to build a Z4M with a fixed roof (the roadster is too damn heavy) cause it shares the same advantages as the others and its the same type of car.
Who in the right mind think 1M will be quicker around a track than a Cayman or TT.

Personally I hope 1M is quicker and more engaging to drive than RS3 otherwise BMW has failed. Being quicker than TT-RS or Cayman around a track, noway, not gonna happen but I can cope with that since its different kind of cars.

 

[footie]

I edited my first post since I misread.

UK this and that. I havent seen anything coming from BMW saying that TT-TS is the main rival. Sound to me UK BMW are retarded and decide on their own who the main rivals are I dont find anything on BMW Sweden that TT-Rs is the main rival. I dont find anything at BMW USA either.

This is from the 1M Coupe section of the BMW UK website

BMW UK | New BMW 1 Series M Coupé

By all means check for yourself. If you want you can call BMW UK a bit crazy but you should probably blame the UK press like CAR and EVO for blowing smoke up their arse and giving the belief that they can unstoppable.

Ah, I see you already spewing your stupid anti 1M crap...Give it a rest. No one cares if it is little slower/faster as long as it is more fun and engaging to drive.

The Z4 3.5iS was included for one simple reason, it's a two door coupe of similar size and similar output to show that the TT-RS is quick. And no I wasn't stirring up anti 1M crap, only suggesting that it would need to be something quite special to be quicker, how is that anti 1M.

Do I recall Scott saying that M division extensively drove the TT-RS and Cayman during the development of the 1M?

I think you are right though I don't recall where or when it was said. I think he made the remark the 1M was more entertaining to drive, not a comment we haven't heard before when comparing RS and M cars and I doubt it will be the last.

P.S.
Just_Me, you're right even Scott can get it wrong, just like the rest of us.

 

[Zafiro]

This is from the 1M Coupe section of the BMW UK website

BMW UK | New BMW 1 Series M Coupé

By all means check for yourself. If you want you can call BMW UK a bit crazy but you should probably blame the UK press like CAR and EVO for blowing smoke up their arse and giving the belief that they can unstoppable.

I saw it earlier but I also checked BMW Sweden and BMW US and they didnt mention TT or Cayman. Yes, I still think BMW UK made their own conclusion who is the main rivals and put it on their webpage, not something we heard from the developers of 1M.

I think you are right though I don't recall where or when it was said. I think he made the remark the 1M was more entertaining to drive, not a comment we haven't heard before when comparing RS and M cars and I doubt it will be the last.

aha, more entertaining is one thing but quicker around a track is something else. Scott never said anything that 1M would be quicker around a track than TT-RS or Cayman.

 

[footie]

I saw it earlier but I also checked BMW Sweden and BMW US and they didnt mention TT or Cayman. Yes, I still think BMW UK made their own conclusion who is the main rivals and put it on their webpage, not something we heard from the developers of 1M.

I've no doubt it was a BMW UK thing but I was also in no doubt that certain members of the press were to blame for this opinion of being invincible.

aha, more entertaining is one thing but quicker around a track is something else. Scott never said anything that 1M would be quicker around a track than TT-RS or Cayman.

We will have to wait and see, their respective weights aren't that far apart and neither is their PTW which was why I made the comment in the first place, while i do probably agree with you i am expecting it to be close at the very least, after all the 1M still has some rather tasty choice items to lift it from being a normal 135i.

 

[Sunny]

The Z4 3.5iS was included for one simple reason, it's a two door coupe of similar size and similar output to show that the TT-RS is quick.

Stop spewing crap, it is not a coupe - it is a roadster.

 

[Mr Robert]

Wow.. the 1M is out in what? 3 months? Propaganda already up?

By the way, the only beforehand talk I have heard or read says RS3 vs 1M.

Stop spewing crap, it is not a coupe - it is a roadster.

But it's not as fun then...

 

[donkeykong]

I edited my first post since I misread.

UK this and that. I havent seen anything coming from BMW saying that TT-TS is the main rival. Sound to me UK BMW are retarded and decide on their own who the main rivals are I dont find anything on BMW Sweden that TT-Rs is the main rival. I dont find anything at BMW USA either.

you wont find that on the u.s. site since neither of those cars are sold here.I do belive the 1m to be the main competitor to the ttrs though and not the rs3.

 

[Sunny]

you wont find that on the u.s. site since neither of those cars are sold here.I do belive the 1m to be the main competitor to the ttrs though and not the rs3.

Except 1M is cheaper than even TTS here in US.

 

[donkeykong]

Except 1M is cheaper than even TTS here in US.

granted, but the tt sits higher than the 1 series. I have yet to see the pricing of 1m though.

 

[Sunny]

^ $46,135 for 1M vs $47000 for TTS and I wonder what ridiculous number Audi will come up with for TT RS.

 

[footie]

granted, but the tt sits higher than the 1 series. I have yet to see the pricing of 1m though.

Correct, this is something most people forget about when discussing price differences.

^ $46,135 for 1M vs $47000 for TTS and I wonder what ridiculous number Audi will come up with for TT RS.

How's the TT price compare with the Z4 in the US?

Also you keep repeating the Z4 should be compared to the TT roadster, yes and no, BMW combined both it's Z4 models into one car so both need to be compared, that's it's advantage and disadvantage.

 

[Sunny]

Also you keep repeating the Z4 should be compared to the TT roadster, yes and no, BMW combined both it's Z4 models into one car so both need to be compared, that's it's advantage and disadvantage.

BMW can combine whatever it wants, that doesn't make it a coupe.