Is a TT-RS really that quick or worth the cost?

[Zafiro]

Is it your opinion that a TT-RS is boring?

I've driven some exotic stuff over the years and a fair share of nice machinery and the TT-RS stands up rather well in my opinion.

It really depends on what counts most to you.

I wasn't naming any cars at all. I was speaking about sportscars in general.

 

[Zafiro]

Z4 is a true roadster. End of story.

 

[martinbo]

The Z4 is a Roadster. It has 2 seats and a roof that folds behind the passenger compartment. That the roof is skinned in metal is inconsequential.

 

[footie]

The correct term for the new metal folding roofed Z4 is a coupe cabriolet. Basically it covers both forms and as such it can be compared against both, which was why I said it had it's advantages and disadvantages. That's neither bullshit or anything else, it's a term a lot of manufacturers chose to call these cars.

Sunny, your personal attacks and calling people names is both childish and should be dealt with. Either grow up or chose not to comment.

 

[Deleted member 1071]

Roadsters ?

The open-topped Wiesmann cars come to mind (unless their interiors are over-spec'd). Mazda MX-5 softtop. Various MGs' from the MG-TC up to the MG-B. Austin-Healey 2600/3000. Triumph TR-3s' thru TR-6s'. Porsche 356 B (not the Speedster, but Roadster with the taller windscreen).

Somehow, neither the Z4, TT or SLK really strike me a being bonafide roadsters. Roadsters such be elementary.

 

[Sunny]

The correct term for the new metal folding roofed Z4 is a coupe cabriolet. Basically it covers both forms and as such it can be compared against both, which was why I said it had it's advantages and disadvantages. That's neither bullshit or anything else, it's a term a lot of manufacturers chose to call these cars.

Sunny, your personal attacks and calling people names is both childish and should be dealt with. Either grow up or chose not to comment.

Yes it is bull shit, like most other stuff you spew here. Manufacturer's can choose to call their cars whatever they want. BMW calls it's SUVs, SAVs. It doesn't make it so. It is still a freaking SUV.

As for the rest of the stuff, I haven't called you names, just called your bullshit out - which is my/others prerogative. And I am not alone in that, others too have, in multiple instances across multiple threads - which is probably a good indication you are the problem. If you can't handle this ridicule, just stop bull shiting or even better just stop posting.

 

[footie]

Yes it is bull shit, like most other stuff you spew here. Manufacturer's can choose to call their cars whatever they want. BMW calls it's SUVs, SAVs. It doesn't make it so. It is still a freaking SUV.

To use your own words with a slight adjustment.

'Sunny calls the Z4, roadster. It doesn't make it so. It is still a freaking Coupe Cabriolet.'

As for the rest of the stuff, I haven't called you names, just called your bullshit out - which is my/others prerogative. And I am not alone in that, others too have, in multiple instances across multiple threads - which is probably a good indication you are the problem. If you can't handle this ridicule, just stop bull shiting or even better just stop posting.

And all the ones that have issues with me are almost exclusively BMW fanatics like yourself. Also while a constantly disagree with almost everything you write I am mature enough to not feel the need to name call, it's the kind of behaviour that is the reserve of primary school, I scold my youngest childred for that and I can't be bothered doing it here too.

P.S.
Notice something everyone, up until the point sunny piped in the thread did what it should do which is discuss and debate the subject matter, no fewer than a couple of posts from sunny and look where we are. Name calling and sidetracked.

 

[Sunny]

Okay, let us take a look at few of the things you were ridiculed and laughed at for -

1. For claiming you had inside information that A7 and Panamera share a platform.

2. For claiming Porsche was using VAG diesel in Cayenne.

3. For claiming Porsche trying to acquire VW was all along Piech's master plan.

4. For claiming Audi's FWD platforms cost as much as MB/BMWs RWD platforms.

And this is just from the top of my head, I am sure there quite a lot more. Sorry man,you got mocked at not cause people are BMW fanatics, you got mocked and laughed at cause people here have common sense. If they were truly BMW fanatics like me, they would have banned you long back and put you out of this misery. But then again may be they are keeping you around for the entertainment.

Oh and this thread, since you feel I sidetracked it, let us see what this thread was about. First you proclaimed how mighty TT RS is cause it is faster than Z4 roadster which you claim is a coupe cause it has hard top. What the hard top does for performance is beyond my comprehension. But hey, don't call him out on that or he will cry "mommy". And then somewhere along someone says "fun" matter for sports car - a reasonable opinion. But then you resort to your favorite crutch - your experiences and how you have driven several "exotics" and how TT RS measures up favorably to all of them. To question that claim would be "personal attack", so we are all supposed to genuflect and accept his word for it. Maybe, next time do us all a favor and just tell us what Audi you have driven and how it is next best thing since internet porn and we will just accept it at face value. Will at least save us all some bandwidth.

ps. And why heck are you bringing your children into this man? If you are really do have children like you claim, at least for their sake stop doing this. Imagine the trauma they would suffer knowing how much their dad gets mocked and laughed at.

 

[Monster]

The correct term for the new metal folding roofed Z4 is a coupe cabriolet.Basically it covers both forms and as such it can be compared against both, which was why I said it had it's advantages and disadvantages. That's neither bullshit or anything else, it's a term a lot of manufacturers chose to call these cars.

The term coupe cabriolet is probably created by the marketing department, from an engineering perspective, structurally these folding hard top cars are convertibles, in fact they are even more compromised than your normal soft top because of the extra weight at the most undesirable locations, and the need of extra space to store the heavier and bigger metal roof panels.

The Z4, SLK and other similar vehicles cannot be considered as coupes because the cars are designed to be driven with the roof structure being disconnected from the A pillar, they are engineered around a massive structural compromise, and even if the fold-able hard top is closed, it cannot compensate for the lost of structural rigidity.

They might look like a coupe but it doesn't make it so.


btw please refrain from personal insults before the thread gets out of hand and have to be locked.

 

[FC123]

2. For claiming Porsche was using VAG diesel in Cayenne.

Not to sidetrack completely, is this not the case? I thought, it was the same basic design as the Volkswagen 3.0 TDI?

"The Porsche Cayenne Diesel will use the Volkswagen Group’s 3.0 liter turbodiesel V6 producing 240 horsepower and 550Nm of torque, mated to Porsche’s Tiptronic-S transmission."

Porsche Cayenne Diesel in February 2009

 

[footie]

Thanks Monster for giving us an engineer's perspective on the whole thing, it's not that I doubted the fact the Z4 was a convertible, just that saddling the car with a metal folding roof makes it fair game to be compared with proper coupes, simply because of when it's roof is up it has the same basic driving experience of a proper coupe and likewise when the roof is down it can be compared against proper softtop convertibles.

@FC123

You are quite right, but that wasn't what I got wrong and sunny in his efforts to discredit me has made as big a mistake as I did. The actual car and engine I thought using a VAG sourced engine was the Panamera and the engine was their 3.6FSI which was wrong.

Keyboard in gear before brain wrong car and wrong engine, Egg/face/sunny.......nice ring to it.

As for the rest of your claims, wrong Audi to share with the Panamera but I am right in it happening, VW aquiring Porsche suited Piech far more than it did the Porsche family and I stand by my opinion on this subject.

Yes I do get it wrong, in fact Scott27 got it badly wrong saying the Cajun would use the Tigan and not the Q5, did you call him a bullshitter? Did anyone call him out on this? No because it was a simple mistake, nothing more, nothing less.

Double standard is all you are capable of sunny and picking on people who don't share your view of the motoring world and chosing not to comment when it suits. So sad.

 

[Monster]

Thanks Monster for giving us an engineer's perspective on the whole thing, it's not that I doubted the fact the Z4 was a convertible, just that saddling the car with a metal folding roof makes it fair game to be compared with proper coupes, simply because of when it's roof is up it has the same basic driving experience of a proper coupe and likewise when the roof is down it can be compared against proper softtop convertibles.

I can see where you are coming from, but the thing is, if the Z4 is designed with a fixed roof instead, then the engineers will be able to setup the suspension to fully exploit the chassis, and I have no doubt the car will be lighter because there won't be a need for extra structural reinforcements, or those electric motors+hinges and frames that goes with the roof. Weight distribution can be optimized as well.

Yes I do get it wrong, in fact Scott27 got it badly wrong saying the Cajun would use the Tigan and not the Q5, did you call him a bullshitter? Did anyone call him out on this? No because it was a simple mistake, nothing more, nothing less.

Double standard is all you are capable of sunny and picking on people who don't share your view of the motoring world and chosing not to comment when it suits. So sad.

Footie, this forum have been through this before with the previous Scott, and another BMW insider, names were called, insults flew, things went out of hand.

 

[footie]

I can see where you are coming from, but the thing is, if the Z4 is designed with a fixed roof instead, then the engineers will be able to setup the suspension to fully exploit the chassis, and I have no doubt the car will be lighter because there won't be a need for extra structural reinforcements, or those electric motors+hinges and frames that goes with the roof. Weight distribution can be optimized as well.

I don't disagree with you here, but giving it the best of both compromised it's ability to compete with the best in class, whether that is the Boxster, Cayman, TT-RS or what ever, but in combining both Z4 versions has made it a much more appealing car overall.

Footie, this forum have been through this before with the previous Scott, and another BMW insider, names were called, insults flew, things went out of hand.

Hope you don't think I was stirring with my comments, only highlighting that sunny needs to reign in his dislike for fellow members just because they have a difference of opinion. It that difference that is the only reason he is having a dig. We all get it wrong from time to time, even Scott but sharing what we hear is how information gets out, I try my best to get it right as does anyone else but it won't always be the case.

P.S.
Why can you debate differences with me without it turning nasty and sunny can't?

 

[FC123]

@FC123

You are quite right, but that wasn't what I got wrong and sunny in his efforts to discredit me has made as big a mistake as I did. The actual car and engine I thought using a VAG sourced engine was the Panamera and the engine was their 3.6FSI which was wrong.

Ok but the initital press statements read like this:"The new non-S and non-turbo variants are propelled by an updated 3.6-liter V6 engine that is also shared with the Cayenne and various other vehicles within the sprawling Volkswagen Group."

So I can see, why you might be of that persuasion. I certainly would think the same.

 

[footie]

Ok but the initital press statements read like this:"The new non-S and non-turbo variants are propelled by an updated 3.6-liter V6 engine that is also shared with the Cayenne and various other vehicles within the sprawling Volkswagen Group."

So I can see, why you might be of that persuasion. I certainly would think the same.

Thnks for your support.

It was just a simple mistake on my part but it constantly gets brought up at every opportunity by certain members.

Anyway, let's get back on track. What is your opinion of the TT-RS, do feel it's worth it's expense compared to the likes of the Scirocco R?

 

[martinbo]

This thread is worthless. Why even bother trying to bring it back on topic?

I just feel like deleting it altogether. What a waste of time.

 

[footie]

This thread is worthless. Why even bother trying to bring it back on topic?

I just feel like deleting it altogether. What a waste of time.

No surprise about that.

 

[as7920]

This thread is worthless. Why even bother trying to bring it back on topic?

I just feel like deleting it altogether. What a waste of time.

Worthless to who?

This is very relevant for me as my current purchasing decision for my next car hangs very much in the balance.

All opinions in this thread (related to the topic of course!) are valuable contributions for me. A used TT-RS, new Golf R and new Scirocco R are all contenders.

Mark.

 

[martinbo]

Worthless to who?

This is very relevant for me as my current purchasing decision for my next car hangs very much in the balance.

All opinions in this thread (related to the topic of course!) are valuable contributions for me. A used TT-RS, new Golf R and new Scirocco R are all contenders.

Mark.

Well that's the whole point as7920: "related to the topic"

There's a whole lot of argy bargy going on in this thread completely unrelated and based on animosity. I won't go into the history of this but yes, this thread is worthless now because it's not about cars - it's about one member who thinks the sun shines out of his arse.

I shan't say who it is.

 

[Giannis]

Please, no more off topic posts.

Stay on topic!